Is it in India?
China?
A large US city where there is no scientology org? Houston perhaps? Anywhere in the upper MidWest of the US? New Jersey?
Perhaps Africa?
Or in Russia?
Nope.
The “world’s largest scientology field group” is right in Clearwater less than a mile away from Flag. And it specializes in auditing children of Flag public.
This is yet another indicator that the massive, straight up and vertical expansion of scientology is a complete fabrication. If this field group is the best they have got on planet earth it means there is virtually nobody newly coming into scientology. These “field groups” are supposed to be the “gateways to the bridge” – out in the world spreading the gospel and attracting people for their first services before moving them on up the line to missions and orgs.
Miscavige has spent a lot of time explaining the vital role of these groups. As did Hubbard before him. They are the bedrock upon which all else stands. If this is bedrock their quicksand must be a sight to behold.
Here is the boasting newsletter they sent around.
PS: Don’t forget, this group is named after Debbie Mace — former IAS Freedom Medal winner who has fallen into disfavor since she ran off with one of Adnan Kashoggi’s wives (Lamia). The ever watchful Karen De La Carriere recently published a photo of the happy couple making an appearance at some society function in Europe:
If you look closely enough at scientology the truth is there to see. It is simply a matter of being willing to ignore their claims and assertions and look. That goes for those involved in scientology and equally to those reporting about scientology. The absurd claims of massive expansion that scientology peddles are easy to disprove if you simply open your eyes.
“There is no question that a belief system can have positive, transformative effects on people’s lives. Many current and former Scientologists have attested to the value of their training and the insight they derived from their study of the religion. They have the right to believe whatever they choose. But it is a different matter to use the protections afforded a religion by the First Amendment to falsify history, to propagate forgeries, and to cover up human-rights abuses.” (Lawrence Wright in his book Going Clear: Scientology, Hollywood and the Prison of Belief.)
I would question that. ~Chris Thompson
Thanks for this post Mike.
I apologize if someone’s already mentioned this but I have been privately snickering at it and thought I’d share. The church has been boldly declaring itself “big in Japan” since opening their ideal org there… here is the urban dictionary definition which is hilariously appropriate:
Big in Japan- To say/pretend you are someone of stature somewhere else, meaningless and not verifiable where you currently are.
I’ve always been completely aware of this meaning and I don’t think I’m the only one. Is someone messing with Miscavige?
I want to make it perfectly clear that I do not see anything wrong in being gay and that sexual preference is completely personal and no one else’s damned business. The point of my revelations is not that Debbie Mace was gay, but that she ran off with a Billionaire’s wife who was one of Flag’s hottest Reg Cycles.
Debbie Mace was the darling of INT base for a while, giving them gobs of donations $$$ and taking the IAS Medal of Freedom or some such. Standing ovation at the Shrine. I was there.
So the OT VIII who has now reached the highest level of Scientology spiritual liberation ~~
meets the wife of the biggest billionaire Arms dealer who pays for his wife’s Bridge and his wife and Debbie Mace take off and live happily ever after !
Wow on Fort Harrison Penthouse rendez-vous (plural) !
Scientology Ethics at work !
https://www.google.com/search?q=Lamia%20Khashoggi%20and%20Debbie%20Mace&tbm=isch&imgil=-SJV1IaEVP5_jM%253A%253Bf7rL20AapXxQBM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.gettyimages.com%25252Fdetail%25252Fnews-photo%25252Flamia-khashoggi-and-debbie-mace-attend-the-children-for-news-photo%25252F452706377&source=iu&pf=m&fir=-SJV1IaEVP5_jM%253A%252Cf7rL20AapXxQBM%252C_&biw=1267&bih=505&usg=__WDw0s7pz7eZZg05jekM4kZRF4Xw%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiKtvDpv4zKAhVL6WMKHemBBhkQyjcIKg&ei=X3qIVsoKy9KPA-mDmsgB#imgrc=-SJV1IaEVP5_jM%3A&usg=__WDw0s7pz7eZZg05jekM4kZRF4Xw%3D
Hear hear, Karen
Yes, Scientology Ethics at work. One only needs to take a good look at it’s (bad off or dead) products. Thank goodness this evil technology can be un-done for the most part should one decide to up and leave at all cost in exchange for ones integrity, health and happiness and for the happiness for your friends and family. It only hurts until you get educated in history and sort it out for yourself. There is no reason to remain ‘hung up at doubt’ 🙂
I am so loving this. What a nice glob of spit in Flog’s eye.
It’s a wonderful story, Karen. They had the sense to do what they wanted to do and didn’t let Flag, Scn or the Scn statuses stop them. Good stuff!
What a one in the eye of Flag and Miscavige! An arms dealer, to boot. But money is money, hey. Duggan made his selling a drug/drugs!
Great information and thanks for sharing. It’s these truthful, actual stories that are the more revealing about the truth activities of the cult.
Sixteen screws for one Nut.
Oracle you are right… They dislike “lazy” public. They don’t want to serve, they actually think public is there to serve them, they are “above”. Public have the right to give money to be a little more acceptable.
Celebrity are different, they are the “PR”.
The tradition of life, way of life of the church under Miscavige is awful and crazy.
But on the subject of auditing children, it’s not an abuse as someone said. It can be very helpful.
A friend of mine had a boy who was really tough. Real savage. He was given objectives, he was then happy, extroverted, in control of his life.
You are right about the serving part. They do not like to serve public. And I don’t think it occurs to them that people work their asses off for whatever they have, they DO serve other people. If they didn’t, they would not have money for service.
I think auditing can be helpful if it is given to parallel the p.c.’s wants and needs, not the wants and needs of the auditor, parents, or the organization. Otherwise you are enforcing something on someone they do not want or need. And I do not believe that is ever helpful. In any industry if you have clients, if you can not put your client’s interests above your own you are doomed. The Church is business not a Church. And they have clients and they constantly put their own interests above those of the clients. And I think this is a major why with the empty Church of Scientology. I know several people that have (discreet) field practices, and they are all booked until late Spring. And I mean with several clients daily. They run a business like it should be run. Can you imagine going to the chiropractor and he hits you up for a donation for a new exam table?
Children are also used as guinea pigs sometimes by the curious who are in it to “explore” or intern and I think that always goes wrong. I think it depends always on conditions being friendly and safe. I started getting auditing when I was 16 and I loved it. I didn’t think I was kid though, I thought I was a grown up. And I was surrounded by well meaning people who really wanted the best for me.
Agh! It’s Kronomex. Sigh. Just finished having a look through of the Mace-Kingsley site and clicked on the “Free Case Analysis” which took me to https://annadementov.wufoo.com/forms/r2qoab71cezc8f/ . The questionnaire is extremely unnerving. Then I thought I’d check wufoo and found out it’s an online form creation site owned by Survey Monkey. I then did a check on “annadementov” and the search results listed Anna Dementov Real Estate. And surprise, surprise, Anna is part of the malignant tumour that is $camology.
“…these groups…are the bedrock upon which all else stands.
If this is bedrock, their quicksand must be a sight to behold”.
You certainly can turn a phrase, Mike 🙂
“Mace-Kingsley – We Audit Kids!” What a horrifying motto. Do they bill the parents,kids or both? I’m leaning towards the latter. Even kids, most anyway, have milkable bank accounts and they are easier to brain wash. $camology at its finest.
This sort of story just goes to show what a gold fish bowl scientology has become. They swim round and round on open display for all to see and stare back with blank unrecognising eyes. Ugly is a good term for it, desperate is another, but embarrassingly stupid works best for me.
Mike, Thank you for another well done addition to the blog.
My spouse and I watched the forbidden movie last night. I was told not to look at the internet and that, “that” movie was all lies and a hack project, by my former field auditor. One of the things we both noticed in the movie was how yours and the others eyes changed after you got out. It was an amazing movie. Very interesting.
I appreciate the information and truth telling.
This Mace-Kingsley place for children is an abomination, the idea of doing a Purif on children is abuse to the nth degree.
I look forward to the crashing down of the false empire.
Our eyes are wide open thanks to you and Marty and the others.
Thanks!
“The whole yap of TV and newspapers…….” It’s crap like that Scientology could easily do away with.
Does Debbie Mace now have a female life partner?
What does Science of Survival say about that bond?
Political correctness aside, I am happy for her but I
can understand DM is in a bad spot here just like he
is in most other aspects of life while trying to follow
LRH philosophies.
Well, fatso, of course, would call them deviants. My thinking has always been, it’s not who you love, it’s the quality of your love.
Mace Kingsly defines child abuse. Auditing a 8 year old?? WTF?? If it is a profit center, DM will want to take it over or kill it. All revenue goes the scam, not some pretend babysitting service. If corporate does kill off MK, will the mOrgs get into the child auditing business? If there is money to made, they will.
Inflicting scientology auditing on children! Apparently it’s never too early to indoctrinate a person to the notion they are fucked-up and need to be fixed and improved. And surveilled! That bothers me a lot. Childhood is a time to be filled with the wonders of nature and life not a time to have an adult probing into your mind looking for secrets. To me that’s a form of child-molestation.
“…the notion that they are fucked up & need to be fixed. For kids”. Roger this really turns my stomach. As if kids need to hear this shit. No normal childhood for those kids. From now on it’s all indoctrination…and then the SO after that. Just sickening.
Dave,
Claiming to be the ‘genius’ behind scientology ‘expansion’ is like claiming to be a high-functioning sociopath. Where did Joaquin Guzman’s ‘genius’ get him?
A secret meeting with a two-time Oscar winner?
My rose colored glasses are now shattered. How lame I was to be taken in by this cult is somehow too incredible to believe. A movie must be made to show how Scientology had captured the minds of a generation and turned them into dedicated slaves to upper management; and how some figured it out and escaped. This insanity must be stopped!
The government must take action and put an end to this sham! The tech is available on the internet and one can use it or not. There is no need for a criminal Organization to control others anymore for the promise of case gain. There is just no reason at all.
I believe there are more anti scientology movies coming out. It’s a cottage industry now….
Willie, welcome to the Club of the Lost Rose-Colored Glasses. We’ve all lost those glasses. The good news is that without them one can perceive the REAL beauty, honesty, integrity and help that exists in the world. A comforting stable datum for me, sans my own rose-coloreds, is what Keats said: “Beauty is truth, truth beauty”.
What a beautiful and appropriate quote, Aqua! I love it.
Thanks, OSD.
Lamia lived in a poolside Cabana at Flag for over a year. In order to extract maximum money while inflating the statistic of VSD (Valuable Service Delivered), Lamia was told she needed to word clear the book Dianetics with the help of a Class XII auditor. In order to get the auditor she liked she had to pay preferential rates which was $1,000 per hour. This went on for hours a day, month after month. I estimate that she paid over half a million dollars to read part of the Dianetics book. Everything possible was done to play the woman for everything that could be extracted from her and her husband.
And now she’s got Debbie Mace to look after her ……………. Wow! At least they are now out …….. I hope!
That is mind boggling. What happens if you just refuse? Are you declared an SP?
1000 bucks an hour for word clearing…I’m actually shocked.
Don’t be. It’s actually worse than that!
English is not her native tongue. She got involved with Debbie Mace as a caretaker for her son. She was also paying his nanny 100K a year. Debbie then got Loredana to start a business with her Clearwater that I think went nowhere. But Loredana was in a foreign country (to her) hiding in the Penthouse with her son for other personal reasons related to problems her husband was having. She was all alone without friends. She was very lonely. Debbie was the first person that actually became a personal friend to her. She did engage originally because of the kid, then pulled Loredana into business, but public hooked up with another all over the place in business plans in Clearwater. As long as they are happy together, God bless both of them. Loredana does a lot of charity giving for children. She is a very nice person. Never met Debbie Mace myself. I do not know what their relationship is either. I would have gladly followed her back to Europe as a secretary, just to get the hand me down clothing. 🙂 She had the best threads EVER! TO DIE FOR!
A thousand dollars an hour!? Mat, I would have done it for $500. But, of course, she didn’t call me.
I had done it for $20 .. but it would be still an overt product .. there is no need for wordclearing the book .. you can wordclear it 1000 times .. and you will only realise that there is a mind .. but maybe you knew that already .. the function, how and why you remember something .. is nowwhere explained .. it is a totally missed datum in the book
Ugh! Fabulous information and valuable in forming a clear opinion about the cult. Great job. Funny thing, very few of those who are out would be surprised at hearing this.
Wow! Now, that’s an expensive way to punish your brain.
From “The House of the Dead” by Dostoyevsky
“The idea has occurred to me that if one wanted to crush, to annihilate a man utterly, to inflict on him the most terrible of punishments so that the most ferocious murderer would shudder at it and dread it beforehand, one need only give him work of an absolutely, completely useless and irrational character”
Mace-Kingsley makes me want to vomit. Auditing kids, putting kids through the Purif (wtf?). I can’t wait to see that place closed down.
Look, if you’re an adult and you want to live inside Hubbard’s bubble of madness, that’s on you. But we’re supposed to protect our children and they shouldn’t be subjected to that psychotic blathering. Really…Ethics for Kids? Last I checked that was called ‘discipline’ and parents did it at home. But Xenu-forbid those little meat-sacks get in the way of Mommy or Daddy clawing their way up the Bridge to Total Insanity. *eyeroll*
Leave the kids alone!!
LOL!!!
” But Xenu-forbid those little meat-sacks get in the way of Mommy or Daddy clawing their way up the Bridge to Total Insanity.”
That is until they become teenagers and then you reg them into the See Ogre to become little meat sack MAAs to put ethics in on the adult parents randomly roaming about the planet in search of their eternity.
Alphonso and Jasmin come to mind as they were MAAs taking care of those wanting to do the upper Oat Tee levels at Flog. Real specimens of fully mature meat sacks they are!
Ugh. So sad what they do to these kids. I am truly looking forward to seeing Thumbelina Miscavige in an orange jumpsuit, accessorized with wrist and ankle cuffs.
Get those kids in auditing right away!
(before they start thinking on their own)
We deliver Life Repair.
We specialize in Method One Word Clearing.
A child cant think clearly without it, and there is no other choice.
We are straight-up and vertical, the only way to b.
Come to think of it, I cant think of ANYTHING this enthusiastic cult says about itself (especially what it offers) that is NOT a part of The Big Lie, “We are the solution.”
This cult is a con-artists’ dream come true.
Scientology reminds me alot of the Chinese State Re-Education program.
“We will make you think our way.”
Of course, the job is easier if you start with the five-year olds…
blue moon, scientology’s Slave Labor/Reeducation camps put the Chinese model to shame…
At least the Chinese are straight-up about being a dictatorship,
and I bet they have a sense of humor, a joke or two about spiritual salvation…
did you hear the one about the Bridge to Total Freedom?
Wish it were so easy in LA, to laugh these suckers out of town!
At least we ought to be able to keep our kids a safe distance away,
now to Eternity.
Thanks to everyone here who did remind me today
to think of the children.
YES!!!!!
Leave the kids alone.
The idea of kids being audited makes me sick to my stomach.
Scientology is, was, always has been abusive to children, parents of children, anyone having anything at all to do with kids.
Outraged, I believe they view children with disdain…
Scientology does not believe in children.
I feel the same way about Christian Sunday school for kids.
+1! I so glad I was raised by non church going people.
Really? A lot of them have “security checks?”
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/isd/isd-5i.htm “Security Check Children, Bulletin September 21, 1961
The following is a processing check for use on children. Be sure the child can understand the question. Re phrase it so he or she can understand it. The first question is the most potent.
Children’s Security Check Ages 6 – 12
What has somebody told you not to tell?”
etc etc etc ad naseum
Well, there are snakes and then there are snakes.
I feel decidedly worst about the blood-sucking, poisonous kind.
Compared to scientology, the Catholics are more like what you find in the garden,
in sunny California.
I did hate sunday school as a kid, and it was brainwashing, but passing off a mythological story is not the same thing as pressing a belief-system in order to isolate you from the rest of humanity so that you can be controlled (“Oh, no! We don’t call it that!), then sapped dry of your finances and resources, every last dollar and honest-to-god SLAVERY for the rest of your life, no kidding?
Scientology is like a bird of its own. I’ll take mainstream religion any day, just to stay away from the cult of deception and pass away Sunday mornings singing hymns, with devotion and a smile, just for the freedom of saying,
“I am not a scientologist.”
Thank you, this was another simple, spot on revelation of how things really are.
For some reason it provides some sanity and, little by little untangles the web of lies and deceptions this cult has managed to disseminate so far.
Thank you Mike
I got in to the cherch years ago through a mission. I would never have survived an org. The missions were the roots that helped the Scientology tree grow. Since the mission system and field auditor system was destroyed Scientology has been shriveling. It’s just a matter of time now till the cherch topples.
Mike, Thanks for this blog. The cherch is in a massively sorry state. It’s not long till that the straw that breaks the camels back comes along!
Sigh…infant auditing.
“LIE DOWN!” Neonate does so. “Thank you.”
(Repeat..repeat..repeat..)
“LIE DOWN.”
“Bwaaahhh…(my diaper’s full)”
“LIE DOWN.”
(Repeat until tyke quiets.)
“Session over…”
Sea Org member who’s last aborted changes Pamper.
“I don’t know how you do it. She’s always so quiet when I take her home…That truly is a Happy Baby…”
In the new Scientological Civilization…
Scientology mother has just purchased the Bridge to Total Spiritual Freedom for an infant. The mother just inherited 2 million dollars from her parents. Her parents wishes is that she NOT give any of it to Scientology. She donated $1 million to the IAS so her parents come back and have Scientology ( actual true story- except all she had was $1 million. Today – she is still drinking the kool aide and living from hand to mouth really struggling).
Now – back to that baby!
The little 2 month old could not run to get its heart rate up but the Purif I/C was instructed by LRH to “make it cry” for 20 minutes to get its heart rate up. It would be okay to Pinch the baby. That is why they do the “pinch test” on your meter drills…to get you used to pinching bodies on a gradient. (I know, I know – it sounds mean but in the mind of a “Die Hard” Scientologist – this baby needs to go CLEAR).
2 month old lying on a table at an empty Super Ideal Idle Morgue II.
Auditor sitting across from infant.
Infant has practiced “being there with eyes closed”.
Now it is time to just “be there with eyes open”.
Baby starts to cry.
Auditor – “Flunk, flunk, flunk” – “you can’t cry”. Writes up knowledge report that infant was nattering and sends report to E/O.
To be continued….
I am seeing a few clubbed seals getting sucked into “start your own mission” and become a field auditor scam. They bought their “training packages and did their Minister and VM courses and are wearing the little white tab in their black collar. I have a command for them….”Look around the World and find one mission or field staff auditor” OH, you don’t see any. Exactly. Goal Accomplished! Thank you for the money we fleeced out of you now don’t you dare natter about that. We at the Church of Scientology want no HE & R – would not want to have to pull your withholds that will cost you a FORTUNE AS WELL!!
So predictable the Church of Scientology is!
I pulled taffy once. I think I’ll try withholds now…
This post got me looking at the history of miscavige’s tactics. In his attempt to solve the “problem” of money into the orgs, He shut down the missions. Then when that strategy didn’t pan out, He closed down the field auditors and groups (except for Mace Kingsley – only cuz they audited children and Flag didn’t deal with children). When that didn’t work, He came out with the Ideal Org Campaign and the Basics strategy to go right after the remaining parishioners. Look what those two campaigns have done to the remaining parishioners; they are either gone, under the radar, on the sidelines or toeing the line with a very few gung hoers left. Interesting to watch. To solve his continuing problem, who will miscavige go after next?
>To solve his continuing problem, who will miscavige go after next?
Is there anyone left that he can go after? Not many enthusiastic followers remain in the criminal cult of $cientology.
Ummmmmm…….his Dad?
To solve his continuing problem, who will miscavige go after next?
He will continue feeding his 47 X expansion Whopper lies to staff and the few public still left. This will continue to keep the sheeple in line (more or less). But, these lies will not work in the judicial systems and news agencies around the world because they will be able to see this shrinking and despicable organization for what it is… a straight con on it’s remaining members and staff.
So, who will miscavige go after next? Itself. The self destruct button has been pushed.
I believe you are right Robert. Tic Toc
Enough money to stay afloat but Tic Toc
I assume Debbie is on the right in the photo. She has the look of a long term staffer who has suffered through years of cult think.
Coop, you may want to read my post about the 750 you gave away. It’s in yesterdays blog.
That was IYawnalot that gave away the 750. I still have my Stingray! But we digress……….
I am thinkin this Oscar nomination issue may qualify as the postmortem for the cult as we know it. Not that there still won’t be a few vultures circling the carcass but when it’s down to bare bones I say we need to par tay. So a trip down to where the gas is leaking out of the proverbial bag may be in order for late February.
Yo Dave,
I’ll go out on a limb here good buddy and say I think ‘Going Clear; Scientology and the Prison of Belief’ documentary will win the Oscar for Best Documentary.
Then you can host a reception for Tom, John, Krusty and Jenna to explain that it is all because your ratty little cult is doing so well in light of all the Ess Pees out there!
Man, I can keep anything straight anymore!
You keep me straight, Old Surfer Dude.
(“always on balance”)
From the little I know about the purification rundown, it does not seem safe for adults let alone children. If they are doing this to children, I think it is child abuse.
There’s no bout a doubt it, Lori. It is abuse. I believe that’s the cult’s middle name…..
Hmmmmm…Debbie ‘Mace.’ Sounds like she’s ready for trouble anytime. I wonder if she introduces herself as, “Mace….Debbie Mace.”
Mace?
Can’t help it, every time I see that word I think of “tear gas.”
It fits though in that sentence anyway.
Well, mace is like personal tear gas….
This sort of story just goes to show what a gold fish bowl scientology has become. They swim round and round on open display for all to see and stare back with blank unrecognising eyes. Ugly is a good term for it, desperate is another, but embarrassingly stupid works best for me.
This double posted somehow?? – my computer has gone into my valence! One of us need a session!
Usually a $1,000 an hour. But, because we’re buds, I’ll audit you for $950 an hour. And, I’ll throw in a free sec check…
Off topic, but, why in the hell did you give away that 750 for free??? If I were standing in front of you I’d bitch slap you for general reasons! Now if you started liking it, we’d have quit….
I was about to embark on an adventure. The bike needing fixing (all Nortons of that era required high maintenance, like some females I’ve known). The adventure was the military and I just shed my stuff. It went to some real bikies I hung out with a bit so I know it was appreciated. When I enlisted, I ran out of time and I didn’t really compute ever returning to life as I knew it anyway. Plus I just came back from 3 months at sea. Crewed a 42′ yacht up the east coast of Australia, It was only later that I stumbled across some info about the clutch on the Commandos that real early (prototype) Norton 750s had modified BSA clutches from their 650s. The bike I had 1969 BSA stamped on the inside of the clutch housing and plates. Some time later a bike guru nearly poohed himself when I told him what was stamped on the housing & plates. That’s what I remember about it anyway.
Twin cylinder 750 Commandos were the lightest 750 power to weight ratio street bike ever made I believe. But they leaked oil badly, caught fire quite often, leaking fuel from the fiberglass tank where the fuel on/off value was, directly above the engine – dripping fuel directly on the hot engine. The “isolastic” suspension was only good for a couple of thousand miles before it rattled your bones to bits and needed it’s rubbers replaced. The wiring was brittle and cracked its insulation and often shorted. Never take a Norton out in the rain! And it’s British!!!!! The exhaust flanges always rattled loose (use to keep a small ball and peen hammer under the seat to tighten up the hot SOBs) and numerous other engineering wonders.
However, shit it handled well and flew like a bullet when you got up it. True story – done the ton over the Sydney Harbor Bridge on that thing in the wee hours, ripped off my nut. And the sound! You just don’t hear that note anymore, like a Harley only different. Whistlers, I think they called them.
Mace-Kingsley is the world’s largest remaining Scientology field group. I’m sure that they’ve cannibalized larger groups in the past for a short-term boost in org stats.
They went after field auditor Trey Lotz because he was doing tons of Well Done Auditing Hours and they felt he was taking away their meal ticket (pcs). Even after they kicked him out of the church and he continued auditing, still they have tried to shut him down because he alone produces more WDAH’s than any of the orgs or missions or field groups in CA. But you know what they say, you can’t keep a good man down!
Cindy, I can tell you this. Trey Lotz is successful because he is a decent person to begin with. He is just a decent man and a good friend and he has always been that way. Humanity before Scientology. He truly cares about the person in front of him.
You can’t take a menacing, resentful, person and make them into a good auditor. I don’t care what certs they have.
Even if you close your eyes the repeticious rhetoric is a certain indicator that truly nothing is going on regarding expansion. Epic fail thank God… (God used just to piss the kool aid consumers)
The sooner they dissappear the better off the world will be.
How soon before the Mother Ship shows up to take them away to Target 2?
They’re here now!
GTBO posted a great comment about the lack of expansion. I know the cult has been shrinking for quite awhile now. My question to you posters is: How many decades has the cult been in free fall?
Two
Miscavige tells 47 X Whopper lies to try to extend the doomed life of Co$ in order to extract more money from Koolaid drinking Whales. There are no new people. Only way to sell Scientology today is to change its name and call it something else. Scientology missions do this everyday on Craig’s list, but they are taken down as fast as they can put up these phony ads.
What a bizarre LRH quote to have. While it maybe true that one of mankind’s goals the reduction of effort (with good reason), what exactly that has to do with TV and newspapers is anyone’s guess. Our civilization is advancing, and part of that advancement is the reduction or elimination of certain efforts. We now live in a world where we have much greater freedom to choose which efforts we wish to confront.
For the 30 years I was associated with the church, they were chronically in the force and effort band, refusing to innovate or evolve. And this is supposed to keep the bank from collapsing? Hogwash.
“For the 30 years I was associated with the church, they were chronically in the force and effort band”.
Or the enforce and effort band. Laughter! I worked two jobs for two years (To pay for my services at Flag) and by the time I got to Flag for service I could barely stand up. Then one of the staff who had been a friend of mine before they joined the Sea Org, told me not to go lay by the pool because the staff thought public who were waiting for service were lazy DB’s and called them “pool pigs”. He told me to hang in my room.
These people didn’t (and don’t) seem to realize the public stopped everything in their lives for a minute so they could be on service. If you are not moving or rushing or pushing there is something wrong with you. Even if you have checked off the clock because you are waiting for auditing.
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I’ll bet you any amount of money a kid sitting around Mace Kingsley waiting for a session is looked at like a low toned DB. I mean, you can’t win for trying!
P.S. And then on top of that, though the registrar at Mace Kingsley was more than happy to get the parent to pony up $$$$$$ for the kid’s auditing, once it is paid they will view the kid as criminally out exchange because someone actually paid for their auditing and they didn’t “suffer enough” to get it!
Oracle, seriously, your really starting to scare me. When it comes to child abuse, I can go bezerk. These precious kids have nothing to look forward to. Except reading their KR folder & then doing their A to E…
I have found that most children are raised in a climate similar to inmates. They are told when to wake, where to go, what to wear, what to eat and when. They are easy targets for sociopaths as they have no or little power of their own. The more you grant these decisions to them, and give them power, the more self sufficient and self determined they become.
Being a parent is not owning bodies or controlling bodies. It is giving another person a hand up. There is nothing more repelling to me than an adult that manipulates children for their own benefit, and dismisses them as irrelevant sponges. All the while profiting off of their misery. And committing crimes against them in the name of “professional help”.
I have known many people that were raised in a “Parent is total cause and child is total effect” environment. These people well past 50 years old and into their 70’s, are still complaining about the long degrading incident of childhood, and have never been able to have children of their own or care for the children they have had. Because their ARC with own identity as a child is so out.
And as if to rise above their own bad memories, they work to forward the engram on other children. I recently had a woman who considers herself a Scientologist, tell me it is natural to commit the overts on your children that were committed on you. I had a class Vlll brag to me that she beat her children as a class Vlll. David Miscavige is in court in L.A. claiming enforced “abortion” is a right under “religious discipline”. Scientology is not a child friendly space at all, and I have found most Scientologists can not tolerate children.
But I personally believe the childhood we cause others to experience, will be the child hood we live in next.
I was raised in poverty and with out parents as an orphan. And I had more freedom than anyone I knew. I had VAST freedom. I had to start working at age 7 as a nanny and by 14 I was living on my own. I was never policed in any way. Yes I had to provide for myself a lot, so I became resourceful. I had to look out for myself so I became attuned to human nature. But I am not the kind of parent to snap the whip on anyone, and my children have raised in as much freedom as I have been able to provide. I am not afraid of them or what they will do or become in that freedom. They own who they are and they admit who and what they are. That is a lot more than I can say for some adults. There is nothing synthetic about them. I have given them all the rope they need and want, and they have never hung themselves. If I kick tomorrow I can rest in peace.
Oracle, please write your book! I had parents, but, my so-called father was sadistic to me. I’m writing my book…
“Suffer enough.” This is taken from the SO who look down on public and staff for being dillitants. They practice righteous indignation. They are the ONLY heros. Everyone else are DBs.
Didn’t realize you were in for 30 years, oracle. First, so glad you’re out. Second, your posts are always outstanding & informative. And,your posts today are breaking my heart. I’ve got tears falling now…
Sorry, I wasn’t involved for 30 years. I made a quote from someone else’s post but I wasn’t very clear. I was only involved for 21 years. Only the last six on staff as Sea Org. Wasn’t very popular, told I was “in the valence of an FCCI”. Laughter!
Well, you are loved here, oracle.
Thank you for your kind and generous acknowledgement. I enjoy reading your posts as well and you definitely keep things cheerful with your humor. You have made me laugh many many times. I feel bad if I bummed you out. 🙁 I too, do not like to see children humiliated or made less of in any way. I also think it is unjust to tax or penalize children like adults when they do not have the same freedoms and rights as adults. They are not “grown ups in little bodies”. They are dependents. And anything you depend on, you become the effect of. So they are already in a fragile and humble condition being the effect of their parents decisions. The best thing you can do for them is to help them be at cause as much as possible over as much as they can. Their lives, their choices, their space, their time.
You are completely right for my own view to children .. I would never audit one .. for one reason .. a child would never decide for himself to be audited .. no matter how necessary it may be for you ..
Well this entire thread just broke my heart and added a major reality dose too. Children are not small adults, putting negative pressure like that on them is stifling. My admiration increases exponentially here for the bravery of those who have left and speak out. My sorrow also increases for those of you who still have children and grandchildren in the bubble.
I’m a very emotional man, oracle, and cry easily. All my life I’ve been able to feel the pain of others. And that’s been a blessing and a curse. Don’t you ever leave this blog, my friend. You are needed here…
I think it’s me that needs the blog!! Laughter! You might need to change your name to “Sugarman”. Laughter! XXOO
P.S. At which point they then decide the kid is out ethics for being out exchange and having time for auditing, so they hit the parents up for “ethics” handling with the kid, where they can point out to him how fkd up he is for arriving at Mace Kingsley.
LAUGHTER! The whole time the staff are making their mortgage payments on the backs of the kids.
On my multiple visits to Flag I observed that no one was ever permitted to relax, for any reason. You had to go hide to get any rest at all.
Such is the insanity bubbling just below the surface at that place. It floats on top now apparently.
Of course, I Yawn! When you’re just relaxing and not producing anything, you become a DB. If stop for more than 30 seconds, you’re suspect…..
Laughter!
.You’re right.
Yep. I think they call it scum!