Update: the “largest concentration of Scientologists on earth” billboard in Hollywood
Quote of the century
This is utterly incomprehensible, but they put it out because, like “it’s LRH so it must be good.” What this has to do with “ideal” orgs is anyone’s guess…
They are going to “eliminate” the pot “scene” in Colorado
They are going to Clear the planet sooner than they will accomplish this clearly hopeless objective.
To:
Sent:
Subject: TAD meeting featuring OTs in Action
Dear All,
Our Truth About Drugs outreach is a critical component to the plan for reducing and eliminating the pot scene in Colorado.
When people do not have the truth, they believe whatever anyone tells them.
We are using any and all comm lines to promote the truth.
Join us! Find out what is happening and what you can do to be part of it. Your comm lines are important!
Come to the OT Committee meeting Monday night at 6:15 and stay for the TAD meeting right afterwards at 7:00. Find out what’s going on and how YOU can also DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
Get your questions answered and be part of the game.
It’s fun! It’s exciting! It’s rewarding! It’s a big game! Play it!
Sue Anderson
What a diet…
No calories in postulates. But they don’t have much flavor.
Albuquerque Pirates
See, handing over your money expands you as a being…
It makes you courageous (or foolhardy)
And the kids all join in too, handing over their piggybank savings to be “part of the team.”
Moneywinds
You have the right to be prosperous…
Step 1: Steer clear of the Moneywinds
Step 2: Repeat Step 1
Come let us adore ourselves
Promises, promises
However odd it is to be giving LRH XMas gifts 30 years after he died, when scientologists don’t believe in XMAS, it is even odder to promote giving a gift that isn’t going to happen. But hey, any excuse to squeeze some bucks is a good excuse.
Sort of like me announcing I am giving my long deceased grandfather a Gulfstream jet (I should have it bought really soon, as soon as some people give me their money…)
And by the way, how is that “new civilization already on it’s way” coming along in Denver? Las Vegas? Dallas? Seattle?
Applied Scholastics is NOT scientology
They just show up for “graduation.”
Big old sucker
We just saw “Tito” as the favored son of Puerto Rico. Now he is Albuquerque hero (and they “won” the money grubber game this week too — see below). Wonder if I could interest him in the Gulfstream idea?
Here you go — the latest “Albuquerque” Humanitarian… How come they show pictures of other people instead of Tito and family?
It’s Epic
Really.
They have to come up with some new words for all of next year’s events.
Here are some suggestions: Heroic. Splendiferous. Fantabulous. Glorious. Divine. Elysian. Incandescent.
Nothing at all
Same old reg til you drop then reg some more.
No, you will sit where you are told
According to how much you have given and how much more we think we can get out of you at the party…
Get ’em while they’re young
Good Old Uncle Sam
We hate him the rest of the year, but he comes in handy extracting money at the end of the year. Other churches roll out Santa Claus to hand out gifts and good cheer. Scientology calls on Uncle Sam to threaten you with pointed finger to hand over your cash.
At least this one isn’t an angry finger poster…
Nothing commercial to see here…
Move along, move along.
Spend your XMas at the org….
Absolutely the last thing in the world I would want to do.
Get ’em while they’re young II
Tampa Matchmakers
Be the first…
Oh come on, they have been showing this ribbon yanking video all over the world
The gift is a packed out org
Special deal. Obviously we are empty the rest of the time, but we are begging you for a gift. Just come in for a single course period.
Crass doesn’t begin to describe it
“The Christmas bonus season” — the time when a percentage of the org GI is allocated to staff bonuses.
Contact your reg, give money and make our Best Christmas Ever
You right, those LRH quotes have nothing to do with ideal orgs anymore. As the one who did those, I cranked out over 1000 of those over 2-3 years at Miami and they’re still recycling them. It got to the point of just creating another LRH quote JUST to send out some kind of promo. The mindset was just send out promo no matter what. But then again we all know what their mindset is on sending out promo. I remember the mailboxes full I used to get.
The Freewinds flyer is a joke. I know one of the people on the flyer very, very well. He inherited property from his parents and lives off of that money. He started a business 20 years ago and it went belly up in less than a year. What in hell is he going to teach anyone about being an entrepreneur?
“What the hell is e going to teach anyone about being an entrepreneur?”
Ummmmmmm…..How to be a really, really bad one?
So they are going to stop people from smoking pot in Colorado when their home state of California has been smoking pot medicinally and legally now for over a decade. If they can’t change their own state how in the world are they going to change Colorado.
I will bet that more states legalize the use of marijuana before Scientology and David Miscavige affect any change in Colorado.
No doubt, Dean! With the money Denver is making off of pot sales, not sure they’d want to talk to cult members who find pot offense.
It takes the application of Standard Tech and Policy, delivered Standardly.
Not something available, or even faintly interesting to todays Scientology Managment Teams.
All that matters is money.
In this, the dwarf and his IAS mafia are similar to Governments, you throw money at a problem until its gone away.
It’s been a quick minute since I’ve read any LRH policies, but the first quote about the Eight Dynamic being a static and therefore not having any understanding……isn’t that a total piece of cognitive dissonance? I thought a thetan was a static. And a thetan was composed of theta. And theta is composed of affinity, reality and communication which is understanding. So is he talking about a static having two different definitions which mean, in fact, the opposite of eachother? Or is it just bullshit that used to “make sense to me” since LRH could do no wrong? I’m totally cool with someone pointing out the Tech Dictionary reasoning for this if they feel like it. It’s a curiosity to me more than anything.
I got to believe anything that sprouted out of Hubbard’s mouth or off the pages. Anything that didn’t make sense, I’d park it off and “forget” about it.
You’ve made a good point, Nick Lister. Like you (yawy), I hardly care though anymore. It was all bs anyway.
He hasn’t a clue about what a god is or a spiritual being or anything else. He was excellent in bs and getting all of us to follow blindly, I grant him that.
Next thing they will be selling David Miscavige angel dolls to put on top your Christmas tree.
It’s going to take me awhile to get that image out of my mind.
Oh! I would love to have a David Miscavige angel doll! Last week I ordered a Voodoo kit and it just got here today. It has “special” needles that you can stick in the doll. And from what I understand, the doll actually screams! I mean, how fun is that?
Can you imagine the Church dropping flyers in Columbia saying they are going to eliminate the pot scene? Or in Mexico? Laughter! They can only get away with those kind of threats in Colorado.
Going into the DEA valence. Geeze Christ! It isn’t Halloween, it’s Christmas time! What the hell! Take it up with the Cali Cartel or the Medellín Cartel.
The C.I.A., D.E.A., and armies of several countries couldn’t eliminate pot. But for a small donation the Truth About Drugs front group will handle it.
These people are tripping with out drugs. They think they are alright because they don’t smoke pot. Lord have mercy.
They should smoke a fatie and chill out…..
They should set some attainable goals. Otherwise they are just setting people up for another loss. And it starts at the event when people part with their hard earned cash.
The Truth About Drugs started with a book written by John Duff and Gene Chill titled, The Truth About Drugs, The Body, Mind, and You.
John Duff was the president of Narconon International for many years. In the book they assert that cocaine is not addictive. They kept selling that book for decades after people were staggering into Narconon L.A. half dead from crack cocaine addiction. I kid you not.
The president of Narconon International knowingly peddled false information in a book called “The Truth about Drugs, The Body, Mind and You.” Assuring people that cocaine was not addictive. Long after he knew it was a life wrecker.
He had book stock to move, publishing fees to cover, and royalty checks to cash.
Guess who the publisher was? Bridge publications.
https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Truth_about_Drugs.html?id=vP4qAAAAIAAJ
Technically, Narconon works. Addict comes in…..addict dies…..addict “cured”. Their literature never said, “addict will leave alive”. Reminds me of Obama’s campaign motto, “Vote for Change”. He lived up to the message. He never said anything about, “Change for the Better”. LOL
Yet another interesting tidbit from your storehouse, Oracle. Thank you.
There is no Narconon L.A,. anymore. ABLE destroyed it. Ben Gibson held it together for 25 years saving lives. ABLE unmocked it within two years of “taking it over”.
Have you ever noticed there are no Narconons in any major cities? They are always way out in the boon docks for white children to travel to. Near lakes and oceans and what not.
ABLE did put up a place in Oklahoma, they negotiated a lease with Indian Tribes that were involved with gambling and child pornography did you know that?
Boom!
When they signed the lease part of the promise was to get the Indian Nation off of drugs. Guess what their success rate was? Out of 40 Indians put through the program, SIX of them remained drug free.
P.S. And while all of this was going on, do you know what the Sea org Execs at ABLE were doing? Sitting around gossiping about the “wog” with holds of “wog” clients at Chilloco Oklahoma.
This was the “care factor” of the people taxing the insurance dollars. Fkn disgusting and repelling. Nothing “holy” or “religious” about them.
I really took a major hit speaking up against all of this madness as I fell across it. Like a major ass whipping every week five times around the block.
Do you know when I flipped into the Independent movement, they sent someone they used to suppress me in the Church, to attack me out here?
And I took another hit. I was a target. Big time.
Not bothered. I can change, but I can not change too. The grades work on all flows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxxxTBINl7I
P.S. Dave, I think I have become a lose cannon. I don’t feel like keeping quiet anymore. I think I want to tell all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZq_XVmJ_as
Part of the “Truth About Drugs” circus. John Duff, and Bobby Wiggins. What a team. I am so tired of these 1.1 mthr fkers..Presenting themselves as heroes.
All of them.
And he is still pushing false information:
“Today, Narconon has over 100 offices in 40 countries helping those addicted to drugs and working to prevent youth from becoming addicted to recreational drugs.”
http://johnduff.net/
I guess the Colorado scios don’t realize that at least with cannabis, it is scientifically-backed which is more than they can say about their gig. Plus in Colorado, cannabis is putting MILLIONS into schools and community programs – which is more than they can say that they (or the IAS) have or will do.
Yes, pot works in ways Scientology never could. Hope Dave loses money on this stupid pot war. I know he will.
Of course he will, Sarah! Unlike scientology, “Pot Works!”
A real pirate was never more real than,
-than the everyday scientologist,
never ever in all the land, nor all the pirates of the open sea
as reality never was in Neverland, and never will ever be.
More pirates taking money for $cientology — such an apt image!
Whenever I see pirates I think of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The difference is Pastafarianism is fun, not too expensive and they don’t try to reg you.
Arrrrrgggggg, but these be fake pirates! They be cult pirates. And yes, Pastafarianism is fun!
“reducing and eliminating the pot scene in Colorado.”
Hahahahahaha
Now that’s some really, REALLY funny shit!
I read those flyers, well… a few anyway before I get bored/grossed out but the oddest realisation always materialises concerning corporate scientologists – they are so wrong!
Even the most cursory study of the subject leads to the formula of ARC. It’s kind of similar to a few other religions really, where it says, love and peace to all mankind, yet some factions do extreme interpretations of other parts of it and forget their duty of brotherhood to their own species.
And so it is with corporate scio’s… their level of communication, affinity and reality only exists to the degree it communicates to other scios and no further. Without internal agreement and acceptance of their communication they are subject to punishment and excommunication. How weird is that for a organisation with it’s goal to repair mankind’s woes? They are so sensitive to any criticism they react instantly and threaten to disconnect, their only tool except if the opposition relates to someone having governmental and or legal power concerning them. Then they disregard their own tech and call the lawyers! And that interpretation by their own texts is a suppressive act!
Go figure hey? The last thing a corporate scio is, is a scientologist, per their own technology.
The one thing miscavige hates above all else is someone who can read and apply what they read, for that makes their own subject their greatest threat of all.
Ah suppression… the answer to everything for those who wish only to dominate. It’s so wrong, the only way they can be right.
Now where is that case of vomit bags when I need them?!!!
“First Ideal Continent” I did some checking and the continent they’re talking about is Postagestampania with a population of a few trillion body thetan cleared germs and bacteria.
I’m going to postulate that the dinner is free. We’ll see how that goes
As a Scotsman, that’s always my postulate…
What is it with a Scot and his money anyway?
You guys do something to a mint machine operator once?
Claymores no doubt were involved and the odd dirk as well.
Also, as I see it, the Scottish Highlands now have far less people in them than they did 100 years ago. Probably associated with the perfection of Islay Scotch Whisky and the mass exodus to the lowlands.
Eye laddie, dinna know where else to go…
Laddie, ya done a fine job, indeed! Someone came up to me once and asked if I had any spare change. I replied, “I don’t understand the concept.” It’s good being a Celt!
If only they were as eager to address the issues of abuse and exploitation that permeate CofS as they are to address the pot scene in Colorado.
“Come let us adore ourselves”
Laughter!! Mike, you always deliver.
♪♪♫♫♪ It’s beginning to look a lot like fuck this..everywhere you go! ♫♫♪♫ LOL
Laughter!
Yes, Mike always delivers. I especially liked the way he gave them a long list of “new” words to use since the old ones are really getting creaky. Of course, they won’t dare use Mike’s list since they’d be outed for it. Nice trick, Mike!
And one line of theirs I really liked was “When people do not have the truth, they believe whatever anyone tells them.” A pure description of those trapped in their own webs.
So, what’s better (or worse), someone like NANCY CARTWRIGHT BART SIMPSON who stuffs her money into one Idle Morgue like she’s force-feeding a goose for pate purposes, or Tito Twatwaffle who spreads his seed around like a chronic masturbator on a world tour? Yeah, I guess they’re equally atrocious in their own ways.
The giant L. Fraud quote about the Eighth Dynamic is at least better than Mighty My Mammy’s usual promo guff featuring the anonymous secretary’s contributions to the SO #1 Line. It still makes no sense, of course, but it’s nice to have a change for once.
What’s different about this year’s IAS Patrons’ Ball? We won’t want to ruin the surprise, but Google “CBT” and you may get a clue.
If Pasadena is going Saint Hell Size this year, you’re running out of time. Two weeks left, guys and gals. I don’t think you’re going to make it, personally.
The tax avoidance ads, I really don’t mind. Normal wogs get the same material this time of year regarding IRAs and such. The difference is that if I plow money into an IRA to lower my tax burden, I will eventually be able to use that money for something useful. Nothing in Scientology is useful.
Ah, that’s enough for this week. Back to reading the sports pages and luxuriating in the schadenfreude of Jose Morinho’s downfall…
Espi, you’re killing me here 🙂 Seriously, do you do stand up? And I did Google “CBT”, by the way. I also looked up “schadenfreude” and “Jose Morinho”. In brief, I laughed and I learned, thank you. Two of my favorite things to do.
“Can I sit with my friends?”
I don’t believe what I’m reading.
I feel like sending them a batch of little badges for them to pin on which say, “I am toilet trained”.
But I would still piss on See Oh Bees leg if given the chance. Problem is, any ordinary person would hit him in the waist and not the leg!
No, Coop, I believe it would be in the face…
I wish I was….
Toilet trained?
Paper towel technology, that’s why it comes on a roll in multi packs.
If that’s a question for me, ummmm….not quite. But, hey! I’m workin’ on it!
You can sit with your “friends” just not with your family, because you need to disconnect from all those SP’s.
Glad that I’m not alone in considering this beyond ridiculous. Grown men and women who give thousands, if not millions to their church, who will be attending a major church function in order to give thousands / millions more, asking if, at this function, they will be allowed to sit with their friends…I’m not over this yet.
I never fully bought into the hype, but I thought at least some of it must be true. The level of delusion regarding grand claims of saving the world and all that is quite amazing. They literally believe they are saving the world while in reality they are creating absolutely zero effect on anything outside the bubble they live in. The propaganda mind control is absolute.
Hi Mike, I spent a few Christmas’ alone at The Hollywood Inn. No-one about. Of course back then I would never have put Xmas in any letter etc. But I drew Ron & Mary Sue a big Christmas tree all decorated with Dianetics and Sci ornaments and SO symbols. She loved it and said he did too.However I was blind back then to all but Ron’s World. Looking at the stars in the promo piece, no wonder they are blue! They have to hang around an empty Ideal Org on Christmas! I have to go look for the reindeer! Love to All. Ann.
Apparently a church CAN be sued and beaten with regards to its beliefs. It just happened to the Catholic Church in MA. A man was offered a job at a Catholic school for girls to work in their food services dept. When he listed his husband as an emergency contact the offer was rescinded based on the fact that the Catholic church opposes gay marriage. The church claimed their religious rights were being discriminated against. The court disagreed since people of all religious backgrounds are welcomed in the school.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/17/judge-rules-against-catholic-school-that-rescinded-job-offer-to-man-in-same-sex
My question is, wouldn’t this also apply to the COS? Why does the COS get away with the religious shield for discrimination, abuse, human rights violations,…etc.?
“When people do not have the truth, they believe whatever anyone tells them”. Precisely.
What I think is funny when they show the ideal continent of north America they leave off Mexico
Oh, no, no, no, Jeff. You see, in Scientology World, what we call North, Central, and South America is actually four continents. Yes, four: West US, East US, Canada, and LatAm. They’re the Masters Of Study Tech, so they obviously know better than we do. Of course, they also have Italy as their own continent…
You mean to tell me Italy is not, in fact, a continent? No wonder I failed Geography….
thanks I just noticed half of the US was missing too. Has no one ever taught them geography
Staff: Geography? What’s that? Is it the title of one of Mr. Hubbard’s books? Its it a new Rundown? Is it LRH sending us messages? I guess I have no idea….
Mexico was deemed to be CI to Corn of the COB so the entire country has been a assigned a condition of Confusion. In addition, it’s now no longer part of the continent. Anyone talking to any Mexicans will be assigned PTS status.
COB is jealous that the Mexican Cartels are making billions without using any tech higher than an AK-47. LOL
Ah… the AK-47, a game changer if there ever was one! And poor old Mr Mikhail Kalashnikov never put a patent on it either. Just like the scio tech, it eventually got splattered around for anyone to copy, distribute and use however they want. Immense power comes is small packages sometimes, 7.62mm has a way on making itself become the truth of the situation.
7.62 is something you never, ever want to mess with…..
I was tempted to ask, “Really?”
Is there any truth that the COB declared Mexico CI ?
What if you speak Spanglish Is that PTS ?
Jeff, Mexico was supposed to be the first Clear country by the year 1983. This church announcement was made in 1978. What year is this? 2015? Isn’t that amazing how time flies? Look out the window and what do you see? Smiling Church of Scientology members cheering to the crowds “They’ve cleared the planet!” and laughing as they experience all the joy, relief and benefit of knowing their efforts worked. Instead of worrying about if the public might be using drugs, perhaps the church should consider if some of it’s own members currently do. 🙂
Yes. Starting at the top of the ogre board! (Not a misspelling!)
Going to “eliminate the pot scene in Colorado”. There is a better chance of DM stepping down, admitting all of his wrongs and making amends than there is of taking pot away from potheads…….anywhere!
Reading this quote by Ron on the eighth dynamic after being out for awhile, is an interesting study in one man’s opinion being foisted upon others’ cognitive processes. Unfortunately, those still in have to just accept it without daring to ask questions as they know what will happen if they do.
L Ron Hubbard was unquestionably ignorant on the 8th dynamic. He is a nihilist on the subject. He basically says it’s nothing.
He said he understood the Vedas. But that was a lie. The Vedas teach that the Supreme Being is knowable. And says the Supreme Being is ever new existence, ever new awareness of that existence. And that awareness is ever joyful.
L Ron Hubbard was very ignorant regarding matters of metaphysics.
He was a true charlatan and a dilettante regarding matters of the spirit.
Being interested in these matters and studying, practicing under many sages, Ron did not know what he was talking about.
To him, imagination was knowledge and certainty. And this became the basis for the Scientology psychological profile: imagination as knowledge.
When the Supreme Being, God, becomes a knowable experience, we have a natural feeling in the heart of our kinship with all life.
Love and respect for others becomes so natural.
There is born in the heart a familial love for all sentient beings. This is because the experience of the Supreme Being brings about an awareness and deep sense of a perceivable unity.
L Ron Hubbard’s highest metaphysical aspiration was an eternal separate entity that had power over others and things.
Only someone who did not know any levels of God knowledge (there are many incremental levels) could have penned Fair Game and Bolivar.
Paying a delusional homage to separateness and power, L Ron Hubbard could then create an Us vs Them philosophy.
When we see ourselves in others, it is impossible to harm others because we have a natural familial feeling of unity with them that is very knowable and perceivable.
L Ron Hubbard says the God dynamic is nothing.
Sages say the God dynamic is everything.
Not seeing the unity with all life, Scientologists can then justify violence against the “Suppressive Other.”
God is love. God is peace, God is joy. God is wisdom.
The Vedas say:
“Lead us from the unreal to the real
Lead us from ignorance to wisdom
Lead us from darkness to light
And lead us from death to immortality”
You teacher, L Ron Hubbard, was a trickster.
And Jesus Christ was a knower of God who taught love and service to the poor.
L Ron Hubbard fashioned him into a pedophile. L Ron Hubbard was pathological when it came to the God dynamic.
Unity then, became his enemy. Why? Because he fancied himself the “only one” the “only way”.
He considered himself the best at everything, the only one true messiah.
This egotistical megalomaniacal mindset is diametrically opposed to spiritual states of unity.
L Ron Hubbard was not a student of the Dharma (cosmic truth and order), he was just a man who stumbled upon his own brand of Freudian Metaphysical Therapy.
Dazzling us with his plausible but fallacious scientism, he took us down the road of his delusional mental state.
“A life that goes out in love to ALL life, is a life well lived.” Forgive me for forgetting the author’s name.
Hi Brian, Thank you,really interesting posts. The thing I was thinking was did I ever fall for the trickster part. I do not think it was because I had an innocent mind set or that I
was pliable as a spirit.Ron and the tech pushed all the right buttons in the beginning.Plus he was very good at putting forth the illusion of a great father to all.
I am savoring the book you recommended. Incredible. Love, Light, Laughter Peace to you both. Love Always, Ann.
Much love and healing to you Ann. Always:-)))
I am happy you are enjoying the book.
May all beings be happy and freed from hurt and suffering. The world needs it so bad.
During this season we can all be on board to send the world love.
This is true OT. Being part of a collective vibrational tsunami of good will to all God’s creatures. It is felt by the collective because we are all joined energetically in the undifferentiated pool of life force/theta.
Space and time are imaginary for the sake of the game. That is why our thoughts can be felt by others.
We are all in the same pool of theta. When one makes a thought splash, the vibrational thought waves are felt by other receptive Pool Dwellers.
May the world know this truth. May the world know the security in such a Love.
Om Shanti Om Peace
Shouldn’t that be on Dancer, on Prancer, on Donner, etc? Oh…wait. you meant: OMMMMMMMMMMMM! Ok, got it.
🙂
“When the Supreme Being, God, becomes a knowable experience, we have a natural feeling in the heart of our kinship with all life.”
Beautiful, Brian. I agree. My take on it is that God IS that experience of knowing that one is in natural kinship with all life.
Agreed Aqua!
It is the Knower, the knowing and the known. All at the same time.
Dissolving the make believe differentiation IS the spiritual path.
My take on it is the eighth dynamic is a gateway.
It’s not completely all one or the other of anything. The dynamics south of it are regulated more or less by ARC but north of it those don’t function anymore. That’s the 40 plus direction on the tone scale. Hubbard had no idea what was there, he speculated it is you before the beginning or before you decided to start mocking yourself up with increasing environmental considerations and creating valences to handle the dynamics with the associated problems/games they get up to. The sticky thing is ARC, it’s an actual energy but not of this universe but parallels electro-magnetism according to Hubbard, hence the emeter. The meeting point of creating ARC for spiritual manifestations within and for the dynamics happens in 8 and filters downwards, it’s a game starter, changer or ender as the case may be. You can’t audit it or even relate to it with a mest viewpoint.
Whether any of this speculation works is anyone’s guess. The whole theta/mest theory is just that – a theory. But it panned out for awhile imo before money and idiotism took advantage of the easy to manipulate system.
This is all my opinion of course.
It’s always been a flow downwards from the 8th Dynamic for thetans. Scientology put forth the idea to reverse that and so developed a technology to do just that. I guess as a human being you’ve never going to be presented with the evidence in mest form to validate it because mest is a product out an out of control system that got you here in the condition you’re in.
It’s pity imo the orgs got as corrupt as they did. It’s tough to navigate through anything now, but it can be done, for believing it can’t be done is unacceptable.
If it does not bring joy and freedom, it is not a God I know. When mind dissolves. When the body goes poof! and all that is left is Primal Cause and even before, the joy, the love the ecstasy is quite overwhelming.
There is literally nothing more pleasant. It brings great power. It is not my opinion. All liberated souls, if you’re interested, talk of this state. All of them.
That is most definitely quite a circumstantial piece of evidence.
But if the right practice, theory is known and then implemented, any of this assertion is yours for the testing.
The reason we crave to be liberated, the reason we seek wisdom, the reason we surrender our lives to a greater cause than just self:
Is to know our own true nature as happiness, joy, spiritual power, insight, joy, happiness, love, realized immortality. We experience these things within. There is no cause to this state. We are these things. These are our natures sans mind and body.
It is impossible to convey in words. But just know that All the sages and liberated masters, male and female, all say the same thing about the experience of the Transcendent Spirit. It is supremely joyful, no tongue can tell.
And it is my opinion that Ron had no idea what he was talking about regarding matters of the Spirit.
Enforcing quarantine from other practices by way of Ethics harassment, threats and punishment, L Ron Hubbard booby trapped his students reach to other valid spiritual paths.
Barring them from the wealth of knowledge he himself dabbled in, Ron created a bridge. But it all came from other teachers. Ron simply “forgot” to announce his sources.
Not only is there more knowledge out there, the knowledge is of a higher vibration. In this spiritual culture none are condemned for doubting and rejecting. Serving others is a way of life.
These is so much to know!!!! So Much!!!!!
LOL
Thank you IYawn for your response. These was much thought involved. Thank you.
Thanks to you Brian. There is much to consider in every direction. The one doubled edged matter I got too involved in recently this life was soldiering. Wish I never did it, but also I saw life from numerous viewpoints and some experiences are very useful to evaluate things by. Authorities are never quite what they seem… lol ain’t that the truth!
Brian, actually LRH did name his sources, quite a few of them. These were edited out of later editions of his books.
Your theory about what the 8th dynamic is is interesting, no kidding, Yawn. I’m going to have to re read what you’ve written a few times though. Its meaty.
I wasn’t going to respond to this as I didn’t know what to say to “meaty,” I know what you mean by it but where do I go from there.
But I did think of something that might help you with understanding this scientology concept.
Logic 4 was corrected by Hubbard on 10 Nov 1952 where he defines what ‘data’ actually is. Miscavige reinstated the 1st and original Logic 4 which is incorrect. Basically every scientologist has a misunderstood on what data is or how far it extends to defining how to view things. It took me sometime time to figure it out but it turned out to be one of those simplicity things, as nearly all hard to get concepts initially are. But it does dump a heap of responsibility on you. The corrected definition by LRH in ’52 pushes scientology well past the boundaries of human activity and introduces another line of how to view, ‘think’ about things. It extends the Logics and Axioms beyond human experience and into something else.
Research both Logic #4s and you see the difference. (data is NOT a facsimile) Work at it for awhile and I think you will see what I’m talking about regarding the Dynamics and what a thetan observes and does with data. In other words in the current scene who’s the boss (cause)? Thetans or data?
The lecture series is called the Perception of Truth series (4 or 5 lectures I think) which goes over the Qs and Logics pretty thoroughly. What I did put together with this explanation to you is an understanding of Q&A. You know that datum, ‘the answer to question is the question itself?’ I never really got that until last night. An example is when an auditor gives a PC just the right question (their item) Cognition, release, VGIs and FN. At that precise moment the PC is sitting there with the question, he blew everything else. The auditor must end off as overrun will occur on that question if run further. The PC must end it too but often the PC carries on or it’s connected to some other havingness and it O/Rs anyway sometime later, speed is important too in processing. But it is an example of the 8th Dynamic at work imo.
It’s important to have education of that phenomena otherwise Q&A sets in and it all goes awry. With this technology if it is going to work at all, a good and known direction is essential, educated players and good CSing/auditing is required. All those things are missing in the Cof$ and have been for many years. Miscavige and some others really have an evil streak in them.
Anyway, there’s nothing wrong with understanding scientology or trying to I reckon. It’s what you do with it that matters.
Allow me to do a little translation of Hubbard-speak.
“I understand the Vedas” = I heard this word, Vedas. People seem to be impressed by it, so I’m going to throw it in with my rambling nonsense. Now, rub my feet while I guzzle some turpentine.
Hgc10….. Lol!!
I guzzled some turpentine once…didn’t leave the bathroom for a week.
That’s squirrel. It’s enamel paint’s best friend.
Guilt as charged…..
Hey, will somebody please tell me……..WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON WITH THE TEXAS TORNADOES??
It’s an embarrassment.
be kind, someone drove a car through their empty org making begging for money more difficult
Yes, and cult is playing the victim big time with this.
That’s SOP for them.
Of course they are. I was so upset when I read about it because I knew the co$ would play the victim card and the everyone hates us for our beliefs card and not because they are an abusive and evil organization. I am just glad no one was hurt. Like Tony said vandalism doesn’t help and just gives DM more to whine about. I wonder if he blamed his own Austin Org behind the scenes and declared the staff
I find it suspicious that this woman was apparently parked for 40 minutes in full view before crashing her car in there. Something doesn’t add up about that.
Could be a very simple explanation. She is nuts. Don’t try to make sense of insanity — it will drive you crazy… 🙂
Right on both points, Mike . The woman is nuts, and I read a lot of detective fiction 🙂
Shoot…it was my understanding the org pulled it in… 😀
Actually, that is PRECISELY how an org ethics officer would handle a public who experienced the same thing, i.e. if some lunatic crashed a car into his/her storefront. “How did you pull this in? What are your overts? Take a look…”
doubling their “bodies in the shop” statistic
🙂
A drive through org!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/72813079@N00/23430869879/in/dateposted-public/
I hope someone handed her a copy of WTH after she crashed through.
You know, to calm her down.
and have the Volunteer Ministers shown up at Austin Org yet with their WTH pamphlets, to calm the staff down? WTH, like charity, begins at home, after all.
All right, I’ll stop 🙂
What about my Hawaiian Warriors? Pathetic comes to mind.
Sorry to go off topic but I have a question someone here might be able to answer. Is it possible to get a refund from a class 5 org? And is there a time limit on when you can request one? Thank you all and thank you Mike for this wonderful site.
In theory it is possible. If you request a refund within 90 days of completion of the service. There is no time limit on repayments (money on account) — at least according to the policy the church claims it follows. But in truth, they no longer give anyone their money back in practice. As soon as you ask for a return of funds, they declare you and then because you are declared you cannot do the “CVB Routing Form” as you cannot go into an org. It is a Catch 22 that would make Joseph Heller proud.
Thank you.
This is a big off topic, but is a huge funny: I clicked on an article called, “21 Things to Do and See when you Visit LA…” And at number 8 was a shout out to “Going Clear: the Prison of Belief” documentary. It said that per the Going Clear doc, you can go see the Museum of Psychiatry put out by the Church of Scientology, but take it with a grain of salt. The way it was worded, you could tell they were promoting the Going Clear movie and laughing and poking fun of the CO$ at the same time. Nice to see Going Clear is still getting traction.
I’m a bit over 2000 words into the 3rd chapter of my mental time travel novel and I have the protagonist explain the in-universe version of the Sea Org and the RPF to a future victim of same. But I’m also having a bit of fun. For junior high English he wrote a report on an actually published novel.
Illuminatus(!) By Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea.
This three volume novel is a very loose adaptation of The Beatles movie Yellow Submarine which was written by a pair of hack writers on the staff of Playboy magazine who were clearly under the influence of Irish novelist James Joyce and some very serious drugs. As a result the authors had some very serious problems with the concepts of character, plot, brevity, as well as reality in general.
The anti pot scientologists need to reread Dianetics. In that book Ron was much more condemning of alcohol then other drugs.
Snippet from Tony’s site:
Hubbard compares several drugs to alcohol: “Opium is less harmful, marijuana is not only less physically harmful but also better in the action of keeping a neurotic producing, phenobarbital does not dull the senses nearly as much and produces less after effect, ammonium chloride and a host of other stimulants are more productive of results and hardly less severe on the anatomy.”
Kinda sounds like Ron is talking about his own ‘case’. His extensive (LOL) research was done by using himself as the guinea pig.
Hubbard wrote that alcoholism is extremely engramic in Dianetics. He just didn’t foresee legal, medical marijuana. It’s very easy to get a medical cannabis card and dispensaries are not hard to find. The Scientologists who want to “eliminate the pot scene” are not facing this as a reality.
And from what I have been hearing from The Truth About Cancer and Cancer crackdown sites is cannabis oil / hemp oils are helping to cure some of the cancers out there. Scientology doesn’t have a cure for them that is for sure especially when several have died from it (including OT8s). More likely they are one of the causes of it.
Absolutely! First off, Denver took in $600 million in taxes last year from pot sales. If they saw cult members pouring in to their state to take care of the “pot scene,” they would tar & feather them! There are so many cases where medical Marijuana made a positive difference. I know it has for me….now, where did put my lighter?
” The Scientologists who want to “eliminate the pot scene” are not facing this as a reality.”
It is a much longer list that that Hennessey! 🙂
More to the point might be the command ….
‘Tell me something the Scientologists ARE facing as a reality.’
Yo Dave…………………………….comm fucking lag ………………………….followed by …………
constant high pitched beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep……………….
“The Scientologists who want to “eliminate the pot scene” are not facing this as a reality.” Just what ARE they facing as a reality? I mean outside the Bubble?
I read that as “this ribbon wanking video”.
Well, seeing that all cult member are wankers, it just makes sense that they be wanking the ribbon. Bunch of wankers!
Re: Pasadena Join the stiffs promo. 7. The staff pay system has changed??? anyone know what that means exactly?? I can’t imagine DM cog’d that he’ll have to actually pay for staff and he doesn’t like giving his stolen loot to C.I. Staff Members so it can’t be that. Anyone know?
I’ll take a shot. I do believe the pay system has, indeed, changed. They will get paid every other week. The weeks they don’t get paid, the money is sent up lines to Corn of the COB. And, MEP? Saying their pay is equal to a ‘career’ job is like saying scientology really works. Remember, this is Science Fiction we’re talking about….
Now, now it might be that what they mean by their pay being equal to that of a “career job” (snort) is that in their entire “career” (let’s say around 40 years) they might get about as much as someone with a real job gets in one year.
(snort!) Now that’s some funny shit!
See, if they call it their “career” then these staff who are over 25, over 35 and some over 45 don’t have to be embarrassed by the fact that they are still dependent upon their parents for food, shelter, clothing, etc., or, if they are managing to support themselves, are just kicking around from one moonlighting job to another in order to stay on staff and keep body and soul together, and living in substandard conditions with other staff members, getting evicted because they can’t meet the rent, living wholly on their credit cards if they have any credit left, and otherwise enduring a hardscrabble existence. But that’s ok, because although they might not have decent jobs or livable wages or possibly are still living like children with their parents while others their ages have long since left the nest, yet, they have “careers” as Scientology staff. I know a number of delusional ones like this. Its sad.
The POT Scene in Colorado is here to stay,
the taxes going into State coffers make a permanent fixture.
California is next to become a “Legal” POT State, experimental
legal POT farms for pilot studies already in California are a success.
What I’ve seen is for POT oil for medical applications
(anti seizure, non operable tumors, Different hard to manage afflictions in children)
The Tax income will be enormous in California which needs the money.
Get your “Green Room” ready!!! Don’t Bogart that joint just yet but
soon !!!
I remember on ARS (alt.religion.scientology) once there was an Independent Scientologist that predicted that in the year 2015 the world would change for the worse. At first I thought possibly all humans might be computer chipped to help control them electronically. But now I see it is to drug whole states instead legally to form new clusters. Another interesting revenge. But like with any sad fate of a society, confused people bring it about. Wishing you and yours a drug-free holiday at best! 🙂
“But like with any sad fate of a society, confused people bring it about.Another interesting revenge. But like with any sad fate of a society, confused people bring it about”
The only confused people are those still drinking the Koolaid., or still following the messianic ramblings of Lwrong. Colorado has seen a drop in crime rate, an increase in taxes being used to fund worthwhile things like education, oh and by the way a lowering of use of pharmaceutical drugs by the population who do use pot.
Society may have its problems but scientology will only make it 47x worse
“The only confused people are those still drinking the Koolaid, or still following the messianic rambling of Lwrong.”
Not true. People confused for all kinds of reasons abound.
So the answer is obvious.
Tape a reefer to every Way To Happiness !!!!!
That’s funny, Jose!
In contradiction to that scientologist’s rather unspecific psychic prediction, I read a fortune cookie that said 2015 would be the best year for me and so far it has turned out to be true. I even smoked pot every day for four months earlier this year when my nephew gave me a small bag of the stuff. I enjoyed it and as for it messing up my “wholetrack” that is to say, my ability to invent fantastical scenarios, quite the contrary. I did several highly imaginative drawings while high. Although I’m not desirous of continuing the practice, I can’t say I’m any worse off for having done it. Happy holidays!
Even marijuana can have side effects. 🙂
Forgive off-topic question but does anyone know if it is legal to smoke pot and operate a vehicle in Colorado?
Yes it is. It is treated the same way as alcohol. First and foremost, the basic rules of legalized recreational marijuana drug use are:
• Coloradoans may only possess or purchase 1 ounce of marijuana at a time.
• Smoking, vaporizing, or consuming cannabis in public places (i.e., Red Rocks; Coors Field; 16th Street Mall; parking lots; or airports) is absolutely forbidden.
• Driving under the influence of marijuana is illegal.
Thanks, angryskorpion. When I was a kid I drove around and around the crowded parking lot of a suburban pub, looking for a space, utterly stoned. There were 4 of us out on a Saturday nite and we were all pretty stoned. I was the designated driver because my friends knew that I never drank that much. This was my 2nd or 3rd experience with pot, and altogether different kettle of fish.
Around and around the lot I drove. It was totally jammed. (Of course, we HAD to go to this place.)
At one point, still driving, I kind of woke up, as if I had been asleep. I realized that I’d been driving around the lot for an unknown period of time without any consciousness of doing so. This really shocked me. All of a sudden I saw a space, swung the car into it, and went with a clear head into that pub with my friends and had a good time, vowing to myself to never, ever drive again if stoned. I was so lucky, so incredibly lucky that while I was blanked out while driving in that crowded lot I didn’t smash into another car, or hit someone, kill someone. So lucky.
Hell yeah man! It’s cool… Fuzz don’t trouble ya none. Never seen even a one of them without a uniform on. Ain’t that cool…
I know, huh? I love the side effects. Pot makes life better.
Back when I was in the MN Libertarian Party someone published a book on legalizing hemp. One argument that was made was that the US Dept of Agriculture had developed a process for making paper from an unused part of the hemp plant out of concern that there would be a future shortage of trees. Meanwhile the greedy capitalist bastards solved the problem by planting more trees. 🙂
States that are legalizing pot are taking in windfalls of money. Pot should be legal in every state. However, I’m sure the red states will resist. And, yes Jose, California will, more than likely, legalize it next year. Nothing like a good bottle of Merlot and a bud out on my deck to make my day perfect….
Hey Jose! Anytime you want to drop some off……..
The experimental crop is “Freak” which is a Nepalese POT plant.
Oil is extracted and used in Medical studies that is the basis
for legalization in California. 2016 is the year, once legal
like Colorado legal pot farms in California will be cropping up
( no pun intended) This will displace the current illegal growers
who have POT farms in the mountains and do not pay taxes.
In Pueblo, CO, PEDCO (Pueblo Economic Development Corporation), which is funded by a half-cent sales tax levy, was already in competition with growers for warehouse space to convert to other purposes at least a year ago. Prices are up at least 30%.
My only gripe with revenues from marijuana, gambling, or other “sin taxes” is that it is all too easy to reduce the appropriations that the beneficiaries were supposed to receive by whatever is raised by those taxes. It’s a zero-sum game. I think that the first $80 million per year raised at the state level.in pot taxes goes to build new schools, but anything above that goes to the general fund. Then there are the local taxes that are levied, which is the $600K that Denver raised. .
Hey Jose!!!! I want that pun intended! Damn it!
It’s so slick, you almost miss the weasels tactic. Payments, Donations, Fees…whatever, right Dave? It’s all going to fund your lifestyle and your multiple legal teams anyway so who cares? You better pray to your doll-size John Lobb’s that the IRS never notices:
“Payments for Major Services of Training or Processing are tax deductible. Therefore, every service in Division 4 that you secure between now and the end of the year will give you a benefit when it comes time to pay Uncle Sam this coming April. The amount you donate between now and December 31st can significantly reduce the amount of taxes you will need to pay for the year. This can enable you to donate for larger blocks of training and processing and thus move up the Bridge faster!”
Those “big” tax deductions never helped my tax returns, I ended up paying more; but then I was working a real job as well as being on staff earning another $3,000 per year to increase my tax range. Glad I haven’t had that problem for several years.
I’m glad you haven’t had that problem in years too. 🙂
Hi NOLAGirl!
Hey OSD!! 🙂 Hope you and yours are having a very happy holiday season. ❤
We are, honey! Nothing like Christmas at the beach!
I could not help but notice this blog entry this morning and it helped make clearer to me the so called “church’s” path in life. The organization only expands into public areas where there is money to be gotten and little or no possibility of detection. A shining example of this is why there has never, ever, ever been an Org in New Jersey? Right across the river from New York City, the capital of the world!
L. Ron Hubbard:
1. Lived in New Jersey.
2. Wrote “Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health” in Bay Head, New Jersey.
3. Opened the first Hubbard Dianetics Research Foundation in Elizabeth, N.J. in 1950.
So, why hasn’t there ever been an Org there and only in New York City? Apparently, a good majority of the people the New York Org has committed crimes on still live in New Jersey and are familiar to some that might be potential indoctrinates. Happy Holidays Ahead! 🙂
Just as an additional piece of supporting data: In 65 years the State of New Jersey has been home to a total of 2 failed Missions, and a paperwork only Mission that operates in the back of a dentist’s office in Elizabeth, New Jersey in a 80% Hispanic community that speaks 20% English. Now, those are stats worth coming back to be proud of! 🙂
And I wish to clarify that last line: Current EXPANSION stats worth coming back to be proud of! 🙂 I love you all! 🙂
Lawrence, you’re right, the only mission “feeding” New York is Elizabeth and when you call it there’s a recorded message. A little more googling uncovered a Scn Mission in Liberty New York, which even has a Facebook page, but their phone number is “Not in Service”, so “Leave a message and we’ll get back to you” Elizabeth is the only one. New York Org was one of the early Idealers, back in 2004. I wonder how many Clears they’ve made in the last 11 years. I’d love to know how many auditors they’ve trained. Not many according to their Facebook page. Wonder what their excuse is. Can’t be lack of foot traffic, that’s for sure. When I visited NYC I saw that NYO is located in the heart of Time Square. Foot traffic in the millions every day in Time Square and they’re not all tourists, its the hub of Manhattan. Times Square – they don’t call it the Crossroads of the World for nothing. One could barely walk on the sidewalks.
There is 1 mission only currently in the entire State of New Jersey. It is in the town of Hawthorne. That’s it. Every other mission has failed. Either go there, or call the dentist’s office in Elizabeth if you want to go Clear. That is a real insult to me. 10,000,000 people live in New Jersey and they are going to be cleared by 5 Class IV staff auditors! Let’s return to Earth for a moment shall we? In spite of the fact this is Christmas time. 🙂
I hear you on everything, Lawrence. 🙂
Two things:
1) Actually, the Hubbard quote about “faith” on the 8th Dynamic (“you’ll never figure it out so just believe it”) is highly relevant for the Ideal Org pitch in the first ad in this post. That’s because you have to take on faith the idea that having a huge expensive building will somehow get people to come in the door where they were staying home because of folding tables and stained carpets in the old org. You have to have faith that this will happen in spite of all the evidence that it never does at any other org in the whole Scientology empire.
2) A lot of criminal behavior in Scientology can be understood in light of this one line from the poster about entrepreneur seminars on the Freewinds: “You have the right to be prosperous and to make it to OT.” In other words, you are entitled to success in business. But anybody who’s started a business knows that you’re not entitled to success. Nothing is guaranteed. If you read Tony Ortega’s post today, about the criminal charges against Hanan Islam and others for defrauding Medi-Cal and lots of poor people with bogus drug rehabs, you can see this entitlement in action. I am sure that the line I cite was a quick throwaway, but it certainly is revealing!
Shoot, John. I wanted to say almost exactly the same things, but you beat me to it.
The only other thing I would add is that the juxtaposition parallels the leap of faith which believers have emotionally made, though they would rationalize otherwise, that because scientology “embraces” and
“handles” the 8th dynamic and all existence, it is superior to it everything. Basically scientology becomes a “datum of INCOMPARABLE magnitude for believers. That’s why it so powerful. So this promo invokes the scientology super-god status which so fucks with peoples minds, because it is implicit but unstated. If it were clearly stated it might tend to break apart due to its irrationality, at lest for the least blind. But if left to exert its presence quietly, it has influence. This promo is an attempt to evoke the idea more directly, which may work on many, but it also is close enough to explicit that it risks being obvious enough that remnants of rationality may exert themselves for some.
Very sharp, Zonkos. The mystery of the 8th dynamic is intentional, so it can be a “fill in the blank” by the Scientologist. Eventually, as the person moves up the Bridge, he/she realizes that the 8th dynamic is him/herself. Thetans created everything, are responsible for everything, and are the God dynamic themselves. Some other Scientologists may get confused on this and think that it’s Hubbard who is the 8th dynamic. I’ve seen it go both ways. If you want to be God or ‘a god’, or need to find one, Scientology will supply it for you, even though Hubbard claims not to do so.
Lately I became interested in the period of Christianity between the Crucifixion and the Council of Nicea. Googling around when I have time, about a week or so ago I came across something from this period that liked it so I copied it down. Apparently there were many different sects of Christians in those days. Apparently the concept of each of us being God is not new. I didn’t copy down the source of the reference but it is Gnostic:
“Abandon the search for God and the creation and other matters of a similar sort. Look for them by taking yourself as the start, by part. Learn who it is within you who makes everything his own and says, ‘My God, my mind, my thought, my soul, my body.’ Learn the sources of sorrow, joy, love, hate. If you carefully investigate these matters you will find Him within yourself.”
That’s an interesting find. But wow, I bet a few Christians will reel away from that though. Responsibility is not a strong point for many Christians imo. God is responsible for all matters of the spirit and ultimately all decisions lie with him/her/it, (never quite sure how to name it).
From the Denver org communication:
“When people do not have the truth, they believe whatever anyone tells them.”
DING…DING…DING….the pot meets kettle alarm just went off.
You beat me to it. I was going to proclaim that scientology’s new motto.
It jumped off the page at me…as far as a motto goes, I like it!! Certainly not misleading!! 😉
OMG, The Denver org needs to heed their own advice!
Yeah, baby! “…the pot meets kettle alarm just went off.” You got that right WSMC!
Mike, I know. When I was on staff at CcNashville I was upset with the ways in which we would try to get people to fork over money. And all based on the premise that the end justified the means.
“Greater good” you must not have been drinking enough kook aid or you would have “understood” the phrase. No wonder you escaped. Good on you.
Glad you’re out and posting here, alcoboy. Keep it up!