A bit delayed due to the news of the shooting in Inglewood Org.
The victim/perpetrator must have been a scientologist as Eddie Parkin and the STAAD League have not taken to Twitter to blame The Aftermath for inciting the “hate crime”. Their top story is still the Christchurch massacre. Eddie seems to go into hibernation when there are no new episodes of The Aftermath airing (which speaks volumes about the actual reason they exist…)
Disaster Response Training
In other words, instructions on how to hand out WTH, pick up trash and do nerve assists.
What does this have to do with anything?
Just an excuse to get people in so the regges can swarm them?
Listen to this guy…
Why? Because he has NO LIFE whatsoever except 16 hours a day 365/year working to get 10,000 onto Solo NOTs.
Lots of Love for Bubbles
They’re sure milking this. Wonder how many regges will be there in her honor, ready to accept a donation in her memory.
Delusion is a wonderful thing
It makes you believe that if you hand over money, you are saving the world.
And just how many people do you think ARE watching scientology tv? Tens at a time? Hundreds perhaps? Wake up.
Respect the Religious Beliefs of Others…
Like the Jews? Let’s not forget you gave the IAS Freedom medal to the notorious anti-semite Tony Muhammad… And he is your champion to this day. Is this respectful of the religious beliefs of others?
How about the rights of ex-scientologists?
These guys just have too much money…
Puerto Rico? Why?
Must be because they have given money to virtually every ideal org in the US.
Wonder if they EVER visit any of their “investments”?
Tailgate Party?
Why?
And “ultimate”?
To watch some same ole same old?
The “coolest org in the world for over 20 years”
If that is so, the other places must be real nightmares. Florence, KY is not high in the cool scale even for decidedly uncool scientology.
Modest Ron
His discoveries are of course the most important for the next endless trillions of years to come and since the endless trillions of years of the past.
It’s an absurd claim, but accepted as gospel by the bubble-dwellers.
The Senior MAA Af?
Wow, that’s a first.
“Good evening. First things first. Please take the pen and ream of paper provided and start writing your O/W’s”
$75 to see the Jive Asses?
I am going to see Dave Matthews for less than that.
This is off policy
Jeanie. You know you are not supposed to make promises like this.
Staff is supposed to be tough, dedicated, on purpose NO CASE ON POST.
OT extraordinaire
It’s a new title that means:
“Whale”
All out for Jesus
Somehow this is a bigger deal than for LRH’s birthday.
And they don’t even believe in Jesus? Worse they believe he is an implant.
Such hypocrisy.
Wonder who is paying for all of this?
The best they’ve got?
A solitary Student Hat completion?
An “ideal org” that “is going” St Hill size.
Not doing Easter here…
No, we celebrate April Fool’s Day in honor of those who have thrown away time and money on scientology.
Fools rejoice!
WISE Clearwater is going crazy
Wonder if there is a Sea Org Mission forcing them to do something.
Anything.
It’s more intense promotion than even for an ideal org fundraiser?
And they’ve corralled all the big names, even Arte Maren!
Old fashioned is right!
This place is really marching to the beat of its own drum.
Wonder how long before all this baking and dancing stuff will be shut down?
OT Night
Make sure to bring your wallet.
That is what REAL OT is made of.
How can I help these people?
NOT by giving money to the IAS.
You’ve been duped!
You would do more by handing it to the homeless to use as toilet paper.
Make sense out of this?
I can’t.
The”Live”concert…
On video.
It’s truly amazing that SOMEONE who seems to make statements about how MANY TIMES SOMEONE ELSE POSTS THEIR COMMENTS..…
Seems to be here QUITE OFTEN to REPLY to almost ALL of the comments made by OTHERS……
Ballet lady,
Please, please, please say this is not for me!
Kat
I think you have a good idea just WHO I was speaking about……
& the ….”PROOF”…. is in the pudding my darling girl!
Lol! I’m glad! I think he may be on hiatus….
Kat
No hiatus for sure….only building up searching the internet on how & what to say to post the next snarky comment…..
What I find so troubling is the fact that the middle aged people do NOT get it that when THEY become sick or “useless to COS”….they’ll be dumped by the wayside wondering WTF just happened.
So many older folks never made it “across that bridge”…they in their own brain washed mind think they’ll have many lives & many “meat bodies” & can use the money COS is “holding n their account” to be used in their “next lifetime”……..Wow, that’s plain nuts….Show me ONE PERSON who has a 2nd lifetime that USED the money “held in an account for them by COS”…..
Mike is live on Ron Miscavige’s show today on YouTube! By the time this is posted though, it will probably be over but you can obviously watch a replay at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6piansMy5Tc
If a Scientology Super Power OT VIII Master of Reality ™️ is such an omnipotent Big Being, like, say, Tom Cruiser, then why can’t he or someone like him stop whoever is hemmoraging all of this insider material for Scientology functions published weekly here on Mr. Rinder’s blog?
Aren’t Superior Super Scientology Big Beings who have Paid Their Dues, Moved Up In Status, achieved the Ability To Go Exterior, and who no No Longer Need To Use Toilet Paper© capable of such mundane feats — like blocking Wog Efforts and SP’s who want to Stop Scientology Working?
RIP, “Bubbles”
May you peacefully enjoy your future live(s) doing something more fun and rewarding than scientology make-work. Please don’t be the first to return to her post.
My apologies for denigrating your name this and any previous times. I’m certain you meant well and that you thought you were doing the “best thing you could possibly do”®. It happened to the BEST of us. Those who didn’t give a damn about others didn’t volunteer to do scientology’s bidding.
Sadly, DM never did care about anything other than his short-term goals, what was good for HIM and his outsized ego. More sadly, he ruined the lives of many people who were intrinsically better than him, who DID care about others. IF there were any truth in scientology, THOSE are the folks who should have gotten there first. Now, DM is making damned sure that NO ONE could.
How many people are tuned into scientology TV? Might be in the low ones, as they click through to the channel they WANT.
Jere,
I think it’s a new world record- viewing is in the NEGATIVE numbers as people called directv and demanded part of their bill refunded. they accidentally scrolled through channels and lost a second of their life that they can’t get back.
Kat
A TAILGATE PARTY celebrating SEASON THREE!
OF “AFTERMATH!?
Somehow, I doubt it though Leah’s show IS what eventually will make them all FREE of the tyranny they’re supporting, overtly or covertly.
Way O/T- the LAPD just stepped in it then beat a really hasty retreat. First the tweeted their support and praise for Scientology for STANDing together with them. They promptly removed the post after the quick outpouring of utter disgust.
Kat:”Way O/T- the LAPD just stepped in it then beat a really hasty retreat. First the tweeted their support and praise for Scientology for STANDing together with them. They promptly removed the post after the quick outpouring of utter disgust.”
Nothing O/T about THAT: The LAPD acting like the THE “KEYSTONE KOPS” by associating with scientology. Perfect addition to “The Thursday Funnies on Saturday”, even though it’s now Sunday, according to the computator, here.
It’s already on Ed Parkins STAND twitter. Too late for LAPD to stop them. I think the point was made as it’s been retweeted all over the place. Can’t wait to see if they do anything to get it taken down. I’m going to share it with the DAs office…
OMG Kat….I can’t stop laughing! The LAPD is going to become the laughing stock across the USA…..Keystone Kops…..bawhahahaha!
Getting “in bed” with NOI isn’t the smartest thing that David M is doing….it IS going to come back to bite him in the arse sooner or later.
Ballet lady,
That’s the plan! Sooner rather than later!
Kat
I was just looking at that poster for Emilio Turkey. If you were going to put your future in someone’s hands, would you want to go to someone named Turkey?
Better do it before Thanksgiving. That’s all I can say.
Didn’t lrh say Jesus was a pedophile in the original otviii materiel?
Depends what you mean by “pedophile”. Did you mean something to do with a bike or bicycle?
Like …… ummmmm …… pedalling a bicycle?
IIRC, Tubby said Jesus was a lover of young men & boys, which is pretty close to pedophilia in his mind
In the context in which he was saying it (something to the effect of “Jesus is not the figure you think He was”), how else could it be interpreted?
Hmmm. Wonder how STAND will spin that- think I’ll see. I will find the direct quote.
Arte Maren is still with us??? WTF??? He must be eleventy-million years old….
Whatwhenallwho:
“Arte Maren is still with us??? WTF??? He must be eleventy-million years ”
Not really, except in Ron’s irrational age-counting system which makes ALL of us quadrillions of years old.
IIRC, Arte was just a little older than I was, so he’d be in his 70s or so, now.
Jere,
Maybe he dropped the body but got confused and entered it again?? Now the Tetan thinks it’s in an eleven year old???
Ballet lady,
Lmao!! Seriously!! I’m so glad you guys warned me off. That mincemeat pie was up for grabs and it was a close thing.
So glad you did not get involved with the Kool Aid or that “lovely looking GAME MEAT PIE”….”Game Meat” means it could be ANYTHING IN THAT PIE…….Something like “Sweeney Todd”….the Demon Barber of Fleet Street….only with the COS Pie…well you risk ingesting a desperate body thetan looking for a new home to “roost in”.
You WILL have “body thetans” trying to take YOU OVER & I NEVER want to LOSE YOU my dear friend!
Ballet lady,
Bluugk. That sounds disgusting. Glad I didn’t fall for it- it’s probably got some of miscaviges hair in it too! Lmao
Kat
After reading Andrea I-Betty Garner’s long comment on Tony’s site, I want to thank Foolproof for not being as bad as the guys on those two undisclosed FB ex Scn sites sound: really noxious bad ass people who tear other people apart at the drop of a hat. I’m glad Mike’s site has not devolved into that and as much as we tear our hair out over Foolproof, he is not as bad as those guys Andrea I Betty was talking about. So moral of the story is: just when you think it can’t get worse, it does, and sometimes there is a person or persons who are worse than the one you think can’t be worse.
Cindy,
I completely agree! I read the Bunker, but rarely post there. The sites Andrea-I-Betty was speaking about sound absolutely ruthless. It’s sad when ex Scientologists fail to support other ex Scientologists, and even force them back into the cult. FP isn’t nearly as bad as that.
Kat
Cindy – I’ve always been upstat! Depends from which viewpoint the stat is used though. Haha! You’ve got me curious now though. Who are these dudes and what is the grist of their particular mills? Are they Church members or – what? (I’m not on Facebook – always Fabian you see! But then I might be – being even more Fabian?)
Well, I peeked a look in shark-infested waters and I must say I gave up after reading one comment where the E-Meter is stated to be a “skin galvanometer” and that was one of the milder comments. So there are even worse loonies than you lot out there! Well, well, you live and learn! But don’t feel invalidated – just work your way up the conditions!
The Kansas City contact has an LA phone number. I wonder how many actual KC natives there are darkening the door of that morgue?
I didn’t recognize any of the Flag Registrars. Is that because they are dying and leaving? Hy Levy is gone. (RIP). What about David Foster? Is he still alive?
Mike – Charming Mirit and her beau Todd are openly slandering one of their victims due to his being against assault rifles, so posted his pic and put out a call for any info on him. Why is it so tough to get that it’s acceptable to simply agree to disagree (not for CO$ and def not when someone calls them out for ripping people off… then it’s doctine)?
How Scientological of her?!?! I don’t have Twitter but it was posted to Tony’s comments and I believe someone was going to send a screen grab.
Hopefully this link will work. IntergalacticWalrus posted it.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4c35c2120dcb0822142b539d0144194bc1111882c1276760d6941112fa8e66c.png
Jeny —
It’s totally unnecessary for the poster to bring up the guy’s homosexuality. Unbelievable. I mean, who gives a shit??
Earth to the poster: there’s no dash in ‘found out’. Duh.
All the tough-as-nails recruits for Disaster Relief Training (top flyer) will undoubtedly be expecting…”valet parking”. Maybe they should add free facials and pedicures as an additional inducement to train for disasters.
My church hosts the Red Cross Bloodmobile every 8 weeks. None of the selfless Red Cross workers, church volunteers, or blood donors receives valet parking. All just gamely perambulate to and from the parking lot under their own steam. The Red Cross is always prepared for emergencies, and the blood donors are a devoted crew. Their public service is its own reward, and all they desire is to serve their fellow citizens.
Hmm, no events in Russia? Is that because the government just raided the ogres in St Petersburg and Moscow?
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-scientologist-church-religion-persecution-1380237
From the article:
“Russian police raided the offices of the Church of Scientology in Moscow and St. Petersburg on Thursday in connection with a case of alleged fraud.
Officials in Russia claimed that the church raised approximately $45 million in seminars and other events around Russia, then sent the money back to its headquarters in the United States. They also claimed that the group stole money from investors.”
If that amount of money is anywhere near correct then Russian Scientology has hooked a few whales using OT Powerz as bait. Same as it ever was.
The lure of OT powers and a better world remains great. Russia may have internet censorship and Russian scios are unaware. Also, probably few Russians are fluent in English and would only be reading Scientology propaganda printed in Russian. On the bright side the number of participants would probably be small with only the wealthy participating.
My guess is that it’s the same game as played in the U.S. The wealthy buy their way up the bridge and others join staff to get free auditing and training. In my day it was a relatively “fair exchange”. I worked for a mission for about a year and at an org for six months. The pay was always lousy but I got to take any of the courses they offered for free.
“Investors” might be an accurate description. If Russian officials regard Scientology as a business, which it is, then Russian Scientologists donating for new “churches” (real estate investments) which never occurred would in fact have been defrauded. Maybe a blown Russian whale was a whistleblower.
Scientology has always been a moneymaker. A wealthy Russian might look at American whales willingly “donating” millions upon millions of dollars and see getting in on Russian Scientology on the ground floor as a good “investment”.
I’m curious about the claim that “with the quantity of people watching the Scientology TV network, many are arriving to their local org to check us out!” What alternate reality does that come from? Or are the poor older couple who were regged, fed what seems to be the standard Scientology-is-booming-everywhere-else propaganda and indoctrination line, and told the reason it’s not happening at their org is because the building isn’t “ideal”? We haven’t even seen propaganda lately from Scientology, claiming that the TV channel is bringing anyone in – probably most of any traffic to “check out” the orgs comes from morbid curiosity generated by Aftermath, and what seems to be a now-accustomed trickle of traffic from college students doing papers on Scientology.
That seminar title “How to Choose Your People” must come from the book of that name by the once-popular Scientology author Ruth Minshull (best known for the illustrated “tone scale” chart), that the org bookstores have been prohibited from selling for about 30 years now, under the policy that eliminated all authors except Hubbard. I wonder if the speaker just plagiarized material from the old book to put together the presentation, figuring that no one was likely to recognize it at this point.
Peacemaker,
Apparently they aren’t very good at it after seeing all the lawsuits against WISE people. Mostly dentists which is weird.
Kat
Kat, around the 1990s WISE and affiliated management firms managed to appeal to a lot of dentists, who are often in the position of wishing they could make as much money as MDs, with promises of more efficient practice management, ways to profit from selling additional goods and services or lucrative pre-paid planes, etc. They also made inroad among chiropractors, and to a lesser extent with other pseudo-scientific practitioners like naturopaths. That ultimately blew up, as you’ve seen, but some of the dentists and others stuck with them and of course got recruiting into Scientology.
Interestingly, Hubbard’s original collaborator and co-author on Dianetics was an MD – a reminder that besides plagiarizing, he ultimately took credit for the work of many others around him as well, including relying on them to bring him ideas from other sources since he apparently didn’t have the patience to really study others’ work or even work through something like Korzybski’s Science and Sanity himself (he relied on the second wife he “never had” for that, as she was a fan of General Semantics). But except for its earliest period, Scientology and Dianetics haven’t been able to recruit rigorously trained professionals like MDs, scientists, engineers and academics, or even really serious and successful business people.
Peacemaker,
It’s probably because of the craziness that he claims as “well researched facts” with nothing to back it up as well as his absolute lack of understanding on how things actually work in medicine. His anatomy and physiology knowledge was superficial at best. He apparently had no knowledge of how disease and microbiology actually function together and the fact that the brain isn’t a “motor strip” with a right circuit board and a left circuit board. (Dianetics Glossary: A-Z). Anyone with science in their background is automatically going to back away at some of these “definitions”.
Kat
Ooh, the Jive Asses coming to my neck of the woods! I’ll let them come to MY gig for free. Who knows? They might learn to swing. Hey, guys, I might even let you sit in for a tune or two, for a generous donation to the Aftemath Foundation.
Why would anyone want to create an Org Board after knowing that’s the catalyst that cost Shelly her freedom?
And side note: That is the saddest looking tailgate party promo ever. Some random 2003 Pick-up with some crap thrown in it? Jeez, not even a StockPhoto to use of ‘Tailgate Party’?
It actually looks like a really bad swap meet- somewhere out in the middle of the woods- where no one ever shows up.
I’m from the south, and we love our tailgating down here- that picture is just wrong on so many levels.
I just remember being staff having to put these events on…again….and again …ad infinitum. It was exhausting trying to pretend enthusiasm ?
Knew Twaalfhoven and know The ONLY TRUE reason he has given so many millions to the cult is so he can reduce his company’s income taxes. Oh, and maybe to “pave his way” onto upper levels too. Never because of any humanitarian motive.
Glenn,
Any info on them would be appreciated!
Kat
Kat,
Unclear what you’re asking. Could you elaborate?
Some of these people are difficult to find in social media and I don’t want to accidentally post to the wrong individual. I’s he the CEO of some video game company? There are a couple of twaalfhovens…which is kinda shocking, but still..most don’t advertise their connection with the cult
I was able to find him on Facebook and Google+ but as I don’t subscribe to social media can’t see much. Just to be clear his full name is Robert (Bob) Twaalfhoven. I knew him in San Jose, CA but it seems he and family live in Clearwater now.
BobCAD-CAM was created by Bob Twaalfhoven and according to the BBB he still owns it but the CEO is Larry A. Pendleton. BBB has many unfavorable reviews and complaints.
Lastly, if you Google “Bobcad scientology” you’ll find more interesting reviews and complaints.
Today happens to be my birthday and yowza! Cassandra Sotos is playing! Scrap those baseball tickets!
If they’re Dodger tickets I’ll take them.
OSD….You and I are still “besties”…..I have been a Brooklyn Dodgers fan since I was 6 years old….they broke my heart when they ditched Brooklyn, NY for sunny California……..To this day I still do NOT like the NY Yankees…..
Haven’t been surfing since I left Long Island & Fire Island NY…IF I ever have the chance to go to California again…it WILL be the old fashioned “hang ten & shoot the curl”…….sssiggghhh
My first Dodger game was 1961 or 1962. I grew up somewhat close to the stadium. We were rabid fans!
Well they (Nats) were playing the other NY team….and we lost…but at least I came home from the game with money in my wallet…..unlike had I gone to see Cassandra!
Happy birthday! I’d recommend the baseball- safer on your wallet which is saying a LOT!
Hi Kat – thanks and yes, even with hot dogs, drinks, etc, I’m sure I came off with a lot more money in my wallet after than had I gone to listen to regges, I mean Cassandra!
Never in here with a question.
Could it be they are just lying on the promotional material that person X gave an amount of Y?
As they have to keep up appearances?
SOOOO many things to do! (and more pie too- someone has an unfortunate sweet tooth). Im not that great at social media, so this may not go over as well as I would like, but Im looking up each and every one of the names mentioned so that I can make sure that all of their outside customers know that they are supporting the antisemitism and homophobia of Tony Muhammad and the Nation of Islam. While I know that many of them have a closed circle that is composed mostly of scientology clients, many may be blocked from knowing exactly what the NOI preaches, so it cant hurt to let them know. Im going to be busy on one this for awhile!
Ive contacted every person mentioned in STAND leagues posts to let them know exactly whom they are supporting, including the connection to NOI. Hopefully that will raise some questions. Im also going to contact the new African org to see if they know that scientology calls people ‘wogs’- believe me, they know that is an insulting term! I love this post, and the others that came before- there are always so many things that leap out!
I believe that the cults association with Mohammed and NOI is a very, very weak point that can be used to break them apart a bit and sow some discord. They have no way to distance themselves from the association, and NOI is so rabid regarding their bigotry and hatred, Miscavige cannot say he and scientology/scientologists had no idea that the NOI is what it is (even if they wanted to, they cannot take back that ridiculous medal they hung around his neck with any degree or denial, and I doubt Miscavige has the berries to cross Mohammed ).
So now Im off to try to spread more good news to the people of scientology and those that support the hatred and bigotry of NOI….wonder how Sally Falkow and her social media expertise is going to react….
GO GET EM!
Keep up the great work!
You rock Kat!! ?
Kat is amazing.
I want my own Kat LaRue doll – with an optional Bobble. When it comes to Kat, I’m easy to please.
Getting there Kat – fame at last eh? You’ll be on A-E channel soon if you keep this up.
By “A-E” channel did you mean something similar to Asses and Elbows?
That would have been my first guess because you might have been referring to “Arses to Elbows” If not, I’m sorry. But I just wouldn’t know if you meant some part of the human anatomy that is not typically available.
I ask because that part of the human anatomy is just not very common to any part of the human anatomy to which he may have referred. You just don’t know what he could be meaning. After all, when you hear him use those words in easy parlance you just don’t know to what he is referring and if they want to use those words, I just don’t know how he could be referring to those specific body parts. After all, those body parts just do not come up at any time in any part of a modern discussion. What do you think?
O/T − Kat, I can’t reply to your below question in that comments section from Thursday’s article as there is no reply button left in that thread, so I reply here.
Your Q: If anyone out there has an answer to this question, I would be interested to hear it- especially since foolproof wont answer!
A: Permanent quarantine.
Hubbard gives some hints about how he would have handled it:
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/germany/quotes.html
“Science of Survival”
“The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such [‘1.1, or covertly hostile, low-toned’] persons from society to avoid the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they bring into any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing such person until they have attained a level on the tone scale which gives them value.
In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not have, in any thinking society, any” civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”
The question is then who would then decide WHO is below 2.0 ?? Specifically authorized persons from the CoS. Most likely everyone who would not be in line and/or speak against Scn would be labeled as being “below 2.0” on Hubbard’s tone scale and send in “permanent quarantine”. Very Orwellian!
Hope this answers your question which FP didn’t want to answer (IMO because it would have put Hubbard’s mindset in a bad light).
Btw: The term “wog” was/is used in a negative and condescending way by Hubbard/Scientology, no matter what definition was/is used or presented.
Pluvo,
I figured as much, so I guess it’s off to the quarantine for all of us. It will likely be pretty crowded- maybe we could just reverse it and quarantine the Scientologists! J/K
I was hoping Foolproof would confront this one head on. He’d miss us- I know deep in his heart he would!! Lol
Kat
Aha! Now we see your true colors. Further to my missive on Mike embedding an MP3 player, cue Cindy Lauper’s song every time Kat posts. Good eh? I bet you can’t wait to run those camps again Kat eh?
I bet you can’t wait to run those camps again Kat eh?
Please explain what “camps” you are referring to. Simple question. Requires a simple answer.
I hope it’s not what I think it is…
Fool,
I will be generous and assume you refer to this imaginary quarantine and that the word choice and insinuation was inadvertent. Please tell me that is what you were referencing here! I would be ashamed of you if that was not the case- It would really be crossing a line that I don’t want to think you would actually mean to cross.
Kat
Never said “wog” wasn’t used in a negative or condescending way – just that Mike was making out it was the crime of the century to do so and exaggerrating it after eventually and reluctantly admitting it wasn’t racist. Anyway, as I say, I prefer “humanoid”, much more pithy and apt. I hope you feel nicely condescended to now? Now now, no fainting or gasping, lie down, you’ve just been “triggered”.
FOOLproof said:
“Never said “wog” wasn’t used in a negative or condescending way – just that Mike was making out it was the crime of the century to do so and exaggerrating it after eventually and reluctantly admitting it wasn’t racist.”
Hubbard DID intend for WOG to be a racist epithet. He only used the term — which HE defined as “Worthy Oriental Gentleman” in the basest possible ways, never ascribing something he ADMIRED to wogs, only that they were hopeless, not even trying, and the like. Disagree with my assertion? Well, then find TWO instances in his writings where a wog was something good — as something other than a scientologist-to-be — that is.
A story I read on the internet which seemed to have some credibility is that British traders on the docks in China were calling the Chinese dock workers niggers which pissed off the dock workers when they learned of the definition. The British authorities told the seamen to instead call them wogs and let it be known that the word stood for worthy oriental gentleman which calmed things down. Who knows.
Dictionary.com says the origin of wog is probably golliwog, a fictional black face doll.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwog
That’s indeed the likely origin according to etymologies, with roots in the mid-1890s. I did a Google ngram search for use of the shortened “wog” over time, and for about the next two decades, it appears in a number of children’s stories, possibly as reference to polywog as well. It abruptly ceases being used after 1920, as it first became widely known for its perjorative connotation during World War I, and was then infamously revived around the time of World War II.
In the 1960s and 1970s there was a resurgence of interest in the Victorian era including reproductions of clothing, postcards and books, and people might have picked up on the use of golliwog or wog. Many younger people, and Americans, wouldn’t have realized the offensive connotations the word had taken on by, say, Hubbard’s era.
The proposed origin of the perjorative use of “wogs” on the docks, as a subterfuge to refer to “orientals” possibly including South Asian Indians, sounds very plausible. And it involves the same sort of tricks of language that Hubbard later pulled.
According to wiki, into the 1970’s “. . . the golliwog was seen, along with the teddy bear, as a suitable soft toy for a young boy.”
Jeez – what a “word chain” – lol
Yes, quarantining is no doubt more humane and better than society’s current usage of prisons and mental institutions to remove people from society and damaging them further with what occurs therein. You hadn’t thought of that obvious and simple fact in your frantic haste to cast an aspersion, had you?
Foolproof,
If you have a better solution for where to put violent rapists, murderers, drug cartel bosses, gang members etc. than prison, let’s hear it. And don’t think that Scientology could reform them. Where would they go while you were trying? The system is not perfect, but I’d rather have them in jail that running around causing innocent people harm.
Kat
FP, have you redefined “quarantine” to mean “exterminate” – i.e., Hubbard’s “dispose of them quietly and without sorrow”?
Prison IS, unfortunately, effectively quarantine for many of the dangerously mentally ill, implementing high enough security to adequately protect society from them, and essentially the minimum of security necessary to protect them from themselves and their inmates. What other sort of “quarantine” would work that would be less restrictive or require less manpower?
Part of the problem with armchair theorists, generally too lazy to do their homework and to learn from history, is that they aren’t aware of what has been tried before. There was actually a huge social reform movement in the late 19th and early 20th century that tried all sorts of progressive approaches to mental health criminal corrections, quite a few of them based on the same sort of principles that Hubbard later borrowed and put his “science” and “space opera” spins on.
If you think, for instance, that people could be “quarantined” in some situation like a farm, look up the history of the later workhouses and corrections (not prison) farms – they’ve been tried, and didn’t really work, due to problems such as not having a high enough level of security, and the difficulties of actually working with people with a variety of even moderate problems.
And if you think there could be something like a kinder, gentler version of mental hospitals, research the history of asylums – they were originally called that because they were intended to a retreat for people who were having trouble coping with life. People could often check themselves in, participate in only the therapeutic activities that they chose to, and then check themselves out again. But that ideal broke down over the practicalities, particularly when it came to more difficult or dangerous cases.
I do think that the existing system could be improved on, but solutions are complex, not simple, and thus not easy and quite costly. The planet-wide reality check is that if there were a straightforward and effective way to accomplish such goals, some country somewhere, maybe even one that rejected Western capitalism and medicalized approaches (including psychiatry) would have done so, and would have a system that could be held out as an example.
But you probably just blame everything on a vast, timeless and universal “psych” conspiracy, so powerful that it prevents anything from working anywhere, and that is even now forcing Scientology into failure and extinction. Or something similar that would so ludicrous on the face of it, that you don’t even dare articulate it as an excuse for why your theories don’t actually work out and your organization is dying out, right?
Kat, You obviously are not a victim of learned helplessness. Your post make me cry with hope. Thank you bunches ?
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They are saving Teegeeack so hard!
Bless their little souls. Trying SO HARD! And not getting anywhere.
what’s up with refreshments always being used as a type of bait. Can’t the events stand up on there own merits? Suckers?
HeyJax,
SHUT UP!!! That’s BAIT?? Man you probably saved my ass there- I would have accidently wandered in to taste the refreshments and all would have been lost.
But hey, don’t knock the pie auction! I bet soooo many people fall for that one they get multiple new scientologists! Who can resist a good pie auction?
Actually, its probably the only place some people can afford to eat now that they’ve given every cent they have to the cult.
NO KAT NO …..Back away from the KOOL AID…..
No one wants a piece of THAT PIE….especially IF it is “Meat Pie”…one of those nasty body thetans may have inadvertently slipped into it thinking it’s a new “MEAT BODY”>…
Heyjax queried:
“what’s up with refreshments always being used as a type of bait. Can’t the events stand up on there own merits?”
Short answer: *NO*!
Slightly longer: Survey says: people are more likely to show up if there’s some sort of food promised.
The delusion is mind blowing