Tony Muhammad, poster child for the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) — continues to preach hard and loud about the horrors of the White Man. Apparently he is unaware that the IAS is heavily white. He also hammers away at Jews and the media. Of course, there are a lot of ethnic “Jews” in scientology, some who even loudly proclaim that they ARE Jewish AND a scientologist. But he won’t get any argument about the media – Hubbard hated the media and thus scientologists hate the media.
But you have to wonder, where is Fast Eddie and his STAAD League? Why are they not taking a stand against this bigotry and hatred from one of their own?
Our friend John Tyler keeps track of all things Nation of Islam and he has sent in an update.
On February 3, 2019, Scientology Freedom Medal Winner Nation of Islam Minister Tony Muhammad gave a one hour and fifty minute lecture at Muhammad Mosque No. 27 in Los Angeles, CA, entitled “They Fear The Rise Of A Black Messiah.”
Unfortunately, this lecture is no longer available on Facebook but I excerpted it below.
In this lecture Tony Muhammad:
(1) Renews the Nation of Islam’s call for Black people to be given a separate territory comprised of five states. He states, “Really, all of America belongs to us. All of it”
(2) Explains the Bible is “the graveyard you’ve been buried in,” the Quran is too “alive” for a dead people (i.e., Black people in their current state), and Black people must be resurrected from the Bible’s “dead scriptures”
(3) Says, “I’m trying to get my White friends ready for Black rule” and
(4) “The serpent is the press, is the media, is Jewish control. It is lying, lie, lie, lie.”
The video excerpt (which cannot be shared as YouTube considers its content unacceptable) is here:
Then on February 24, Tony Muhammad gave a two hour and twenty-four minute lecture at the same mosque entitled “Farrakhan Walking in the Footsteps of Jesus.” In this lecture he claims:
(1) “That group (i.e., the Jewish people) have been slowly taken back to their bestiality through the Talmud”
(2) “Them White people living up in the hills of Malibu, they’re temporary.” “We’re going to send you back where you came from. We’re going to send you back to Europe”
(3) Renews the call for a separate state or territory for Black people, as well as twenty to twenty-five years of “alimony” – financial support. He says, “Don’t tell us you won’t do it. You did it for Israel”
(4) “In the Book of Revelation it comes at the end of the rule of the White race. The whole Bible is talking about the rule of Caucasian people”
(5) “The press and the media is like a dragon. In the media you’ve got NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox all controlled by Jews”
(6) “The Jews gave over $400 million to politicians to influence them to vote in the way of Israel and in the way of Jewish advantage;” and
(7) Discusses the role the Jews in Hollywood allegedly played in the demise of the Black people. He argues the Jews in Hollywood deliberately presented disgraceful images of Blacks for world consumption. He concludes, “Jews are anti-Black.”
Here is the video excerpt:
And on March 17, 2019, three days after he was a special guest at an IAS dinner at the Inglewood scientology “ideal org,” he gave another two hour lecture entitled “The Resurrection of the Dead.”
Here he preaches:
(1) “I know, I know you have been looking for a good White man. I’ve been searching among them too. I might have found a half of one. But in truth, I’m not going to waste my time looking for no good cracker. I’m trying to find a good brother”
(2) “When White people buried us in Christianity – buried you”
(3) Using the “N “word, jokes about going to Beverly Hills with “homies” to gang bang and
(4) “The whole earth belongs to people of color. And the White man is a johnny come lately. And we have to send him back to Europe.”
The video excerpt:
I wonder what Tony Muhammad’s white friends in the Church of Scientology will think when they learn that among all of them Tony Muhammad “might have found a half” of a good man.
Tony Muhammad’s call for a separate state or territory for Black people was not a surprise to anyone who, unlike, the Church of Scientology, bothered to do their homework. At approximately 6:30 in the below interview with Taj Longino published on September 7, 2017, two months before Tony Muhammad was awarded the Scientology Freedom Medal, Tony Muhammad refers to White people as “crackers” and calls for Black people to be given five states, including Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, and Texas . (At approximately 12:00, he also says interracial dating is “unnatural.”)
How does scientology not disassociate from this man and what the Nation of Islam stands for? Or at least get him to stop making these sort of public statements? I guess it’s the price to pay of trying to take advantage of a group that is not entirely enclosed within their bubble.
NOI, an acronym for No Observable Intelligence.
Mikey,
Noted Order of Idiots?
Kat
Aqua, you remind me that the NOI are rather like the “sovereign citizens,” marginalized ne’er do-wells who resort to imagining themselves kings. Both ideologies have elements of conspiracy theory thinking, and the construction of theories that they have hidden claims to assets (also seen among African-Americans who buy into scams claiming that they either don’t have to pay taxes or can claim reparations, beliefs I suspect overlap with NOI membership)
However, I think anything regarding “The Black Community” is for those eligible to be part of it – or not – to sort out for themselves.
Interesting, PM. I’m not familiar with the “sovereign citizens”. I’ve never even heard the term before. I’ll have to ask Google about this.
There is an excellent You-Tube video by Chris Shelton that covers the whole “sovereign citizen” crazy ass movement. Check it out on his channel. He does a great job explaining it.
Has Tony M. just called out Dave M. as the “half of a good white man” he’s discovered?
I’ve been thinking about the connection with Scientology and the NOI. Maybe it isn’t so strange when you think about who’s in charge. I can see Miscavige and Tony Muhammad and probably Farrakhan having a meeting. In this meeting Miscavige in all his Hate and Psychosis going into agreement and ranting and raving about the Jews being the source of the problem as they started Psychiatry. Your not exactly dealing with sanity here, David Miscavige doesn’t even have a high school diploma. Maybe even Tom Cruise was there ranting about those SP Jews controlling Hollywood. Tom said he was dyslexic so maybe he is thinking backwards. Sorry to my friends who may have dyslexia for associating them with Cruise. Farrakhan and Tony fell in love with these white boys and realized that Hubbard was actually a Saint sent down from who knows where.
Jew Boy – Your comment got me thinking. (oops – lol) The “scriptures of both religions” remain the same but the *thinking* in the NOI might be changing. Any NOIs taking any Scn course would be learning clamspeak and begin thinking with it even though they insist they remain Muslims. Imagine NOIs walking around talking about overts and withholds.
My guess is that Scientologists regard NOIs as odd ducks but since they’re studying Scientology eventually they’ll get their heads straight.
One time when I was living in LA I decided to chat with a Hare Krishna who was marching around on the sidewalk and see if I could talk some sense into him. We had a pleasant chat but we both remained firm in our own convictions.
This was in the 1970’s and the guy knew a bit about Scn. His counter to Scn was, “Philosophy without God is empty.”
If someone has a connection to NOI please show them this. Ron thought the black stone in the Kaaba is associated with an implant. Hubbard equated the Kaaba in Mecca with evil space aliens. You can read this and also hear his voice from a tape at the end of this writing.
What’s Wrong with this Universe: A Working Package for the Auditor’ (9 Dec 1952) and supplies this transcript of an excerpt:
It’s [the Black Stone] an enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room, this is an incident called the Emanator by the way, and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there, that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in eh Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort. By the way, the only reason he [the Prophet] mocked that thing up [Islam], is the trade wasn’t good in his hometown. That’s right. You read the life of Mohammed. And he’s got a black one and it sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor, I don’t know, maybe they call it the Casbah or something or… Anyway, anyway, that thing is a mockup of the Emanator! The Emanator is bright, not black. And so, your volunteer, who insists on a sightseeing trip, goes in and this thing is standing in the middle of the room, and it’s going ‘wong wong wong wong wong’ and he says: ‘Isn’t that pretty?’. It sure is, and then he says ‘Mmmgrmrm ponk’ Why, I’ll tell you, they cart him from there, and they take him in and they do a trans- position of beingness. 24
And here is Hubbard’s actual voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbT6bQi-1bw
I sent it to the NOI website. If I disappear, send help!
Kat
Thanks Kat
“(2) “Them White people living up in the hills of Malibu, they’re temporary.” “We’re going to send you back where you came from. We’re going to send you back to Europe””
Does that mean that, and no matter how you word it it will be misconstrued, black people will also move back to Africa and leave the Native Americans in charge again?
“Them White people living up in the hills of Malibu, they’re temporary.”…”We’re going to send you back where you came from. We’re going to send you back to Europe.”
Honestly, now!
Honestly, can you IMAGINE anyone with even half of functioning brain hearing this whacko say this, and not, shortly thereafter, unobtrusively gathering their things, and walking out?
Can you imagine the state of mind, the analytical ability, the level of rationality – can you imagine what passes for thinking processes of those who would even consider spending time in their homes listening to shit like this, let alone travelling distances to hear in person?
How conveniently has NOI erased and forgotten the fact that the largest and northern portion of white early US settlers fought a Civil War for their freedom and at great sacrifice because they were anything but proponents of slavery. NOI has become The Truth Benders much like Hubbard was. Little wonder they are now joined at the hip with his lies and distortions.
The NOI, like the CofS, is shrinking and at risk of extinctions, most obvious in the fact that they’re moving their formerly large major events to smaller venues. The NOI used to have their annual Savior’s Day national convention in a large arena of the sort that Scientology had some events in decades ago, but the Chicago venue was wrecked several years ago, and the NOI conveniently moved to a much smaller conference facility. Both were once able to gather as many as about 15,000 people, but can no longer muster more than a few thousand.
Also, I was trying to figure out what Tony Muhammad was referring to regarding a “3 year plan.” The only thing that I could readily find is that organizational founder Elijah Muhammad announced a plan to have members save up enough money to start their own bank, as the first step to a banking system – in 1964. 55 years later they have yet to accomplish even that, though several Scientology missions – not even orgs – managed to take advantage of the advent of credit unions in the 1970s, to set up some of their own, though those were then used fraudulently to get members and even staff into debt beyond their means, and shut down. The NOI really seem to be chasing rainbows, when they haven’t ever been able to do anything more than run a few small businesses doing things like making soap. No wonder they’re looking for outside answers, though of course Dianetics and Scientology are also just selling blue sky.
Elijah Muhammad’s original principles were mostly good, sensible, helpful ones for African Americans. Originally the emphasis was not on blame, but bootstrapping and self sufficiency. Malcolm X, aka Malcolm Little, took over in the 50s and started them scapegoating the “white devils” big time. But near the the end of his young life, he had a major realization about how hating is harmful and dangerous and how we’re all brothers and sisters under the skin and so forth…he did a 180% turn around with the NOI attitude on that…and was summarily assassinated, it was suspected, by Louis Farrakhan and a faction of the NOI that very much disagreed with Malcolm X’s sudden new world view.
After Malcolm X’s death Calypso Louie became The Man and has since taken his hapless group far afield, emphasizing the woo and laying it on super thick with regard to the White/Jew blame game. Tony Mo is just a younger clone of Farrakhan. All hate, all blame, all the time.
Not surprising NOI has been hemorrhaging members. This will continue for them and for all hate groups including CO$ as it circles the wagons and isolates itself in order to protect its crimes. The world is getting smaller and its people are getting closer. We’re communicating more with one another. Inclusion and acceptance of one another and celebration of our differences are the future. Those who can’t or won’t get on board with this will either die or live out their lives being angry and resentful with the rest of the shrinking hoard of soon to be obsolete brutes.
Pompous, racist, ignorant, bigoted blowhard . Ron’s back !!!!!
Do we get to throw rocks at him?
Haha another “win” for scientology . I think not!
I still cant understand this unholy alliance. It really makes no logical sense why Miscavige would have recruited this group to join scientology. They are not that influential or rich. They are very confrontational and do nothing to enhance the image of the church. They bring nothing discernable to the table. As far as I can tell, the NOI gets nothing from the deal either. Its just confusing and utterly illogical. It is also one of scientology’s weakest points of attack.
The Stand (STAAD) league is very vulnerable in supporting the NOI, and it undermines their credibility (if they ever had any at all). It is an extremely vulnerable point for the entire organization, and they CANNOT claim they had no knowledge of what the NOI is and what they believe. It is a chink in their armor that can be easily exploited. Most Americans hold this group in contempt since they don’t even try to get along with anyone on any level.
Its most puzzling trying to figure out what goes through Davy-boy’s little mind.
Kat
Kat, the following is my take regarding what the COS and the NOI get from the relationship.
The COS primarily gets entry into the Black community and manpower, plus some income. NOI members have gone to Flag and done Super Power and the Cause Resurgence Rundown. They are going up both the Processing side of the Grade Chart, becoming Clear and in at least one case OT 3, and the Training side of the Grade Chart, becoming Class 5 auditors. The Black community might, and I stress the word might, be a demographic (and indeed the only demographic) in the U.S. where Scientology is actually growing.
Primarily in Los Angeles, but also operating a bit elsewhere, United in Peace, United Hood Nation and the Peace Rides are essentially a joint venture of the Church of Scientology and the Nation of Islam. Peace Rides, UIP and UHN are a front group for The Way To Happiness, which in turn is a Scientology front group. UIP, UHN and the Peace Rides hand out The Way To Happiness booklets.
Further, NOI members have been thoroughly indoctrinated with Scientology CCHR anti-psychiatry beliefs. The Scientology influence has made the NOI vehemently ant-psychiatry. NOI members regularly lead CCHR protest marches against psychiatry.
As for the NOI, I’ve seen hearsay reports that NOI leader Minister Louis Farrakhan was paid a lump sum to direct his membership to do Dianetics and Scientology, and/or that he makes a commission on sales. However, nothing has been proven to my knowledge. We do know for a fact that Minister Tony Muhammad (as reported by Mike and Tony Ortega) and NOI Sister Nayyirah Tivica Muhammad (as reported by Tony Ortega), among others, make FSM commissions.
On a more fundamental level, I personally have no doubt that Minister Tony Muhammad believes at least some of the “Tech” is beneficial to the membership of the NOI and the Black community. Tony Muhammad has done Super Power. I’ve seen credible reports Tony Muhammad has trained as an auditor. Perhaps most importantly, NOI members are treated with great respect in the COS. That means a lot and goes a long way. Indeed, reports are that NOI members are treated with kid gloves — not only when compared to non-NOI COS members, but when compared to other raw public.
Indie SN – In one of the early videos Farrakhan is presenting the idea to a crowd that Elron is a good guy and that dianetic auditing is a good thing for his flock. My read is that he wasn’t being deceptive and believed it himself. He could be convincing at times so it’s possible it was and still is a ruse.
I’ve seen accounts, I think in part from Leah Remini, that the alliance came about sort of incrementally, and accidentally. That’s the sort of thing that tends to happen in the real world, and particularly to groups that are more reactive than strategically oriented, rather than cunning planning.
If I recall the broad arc of it, it seemed to them great at first to have a few NOI doing the nominally secular Dianetics, theoretically showing that it had something to offer the world, and also providing some good internal and external PR on points like outreach and diversity. But Dianetics has always really been a front (it used to be much more so) to get people into Scientology, and so then NOI members started to progress into the “religious” side and it became messy.
So I suspect it’s something that developed slowly and then got away from Miscavige, before he realized the implications of it. Now that they’re in deep together, it would be hard for him to back out of.
Money, money, and more money
Kat – Short answer. NOIs pursue Dianetics and Scientology because their leader Farrakhan has promoted it since 2010. NOIs insist they are Muslims and are just “using” Scientology. Praise Allah.
DM’s motivation is speculation. Some extra income? A few more black faces in the crowd? It proves Scientology is expanding? It proves Scientology is non denominational? He became bff with Louie? etc.
Here’s some speculation I don’t think anyone has presented. When Louie decided dianetics was the “right stuff” for his flock he called Dave and told him he was sending over a few folks for some training and processing. If Dave refused then Louie would raise a shitstorm about Scientology being discriminatory. This would not look good for tax exemption and thus the everlasting bond was secured. It was a pivotal moment in the history of religion.
Here some background how the Scn and NOI pact happened (and Leah Remini’s involvement in it):
https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/10/louis-farrakhan-leah-remini-and-a-document-that-helps-explain-the-scientology-noi-pact/
https://tonyortega.org/2018/12/11/tonight-leah-remini-examines-her-own-role-in-the-bizarre-scientology-nation-of-islam-dance/
pluvo – Good references and the factual reality of things. Tony M. is sold on Scn as a “tool” and if he takes over leadership after Louie departs I think he’ll continue to promote it. If he or anyone else in the NOI “makes it” to OT8 the mishmash of Scn and NOI beliefs will be a wonder of human imagination and creativity.
Two reasons hate mongering cults prey on people – Money and Power.
I forgot about “cracker” being a synonym for “whitey” or “honky”. I guess every race and ethnicity has its share of slurs.
When I was living in LA I was in a scn sales organization for awhile which did door to door sales. Most of us kept notes on 3×5 file cards for call backs, appointments and so on. A good friend who was a full blooded Mexican would make notes like “Dots”, “Beaner”, Towel head” and so on, but one day he decided that since they were providing him with a living he ought to stop doing it – lol
AND look at the diseases Native Americans gave TO the invaders to take back home with them: Syphilis was one of them, IIRC.
Respectfully, that’s incorrect, Jere. The Europeans brought syphilis to the New World.
“Aquamarine:”Respectfully, that’s incorrect, Jere. The Europeans brought syphilis to the New World.”
I’m fairly certain that on a relatively recent Discovery network program, I don’t remember which, stated the bit of irony that, in “exchange for the “whites” bringing smallpox, etc to the “New world”, the spanish received ONE of the STDs. It would probably be Gonorrhea if you’re certain of syphilis. It wasn’t important to me at the time; just one of those “fun factoids” to keep for odd conversations, of which I have a few. A quick search just now confirmed in a wiki that Columbus’ crews might have brought the disease back after their trips. Seems the disease spread quickly after that. (Those europeans were such a RANDY bunch.) BTW, I tend to trust wiki because it’s peer reviewed by Netizens who care about the issues and each time I’ve tried to disprove or verify wikis, it seemed the wikis were well-maintained and as close to the ‘truth’ as one could get. Surprisingly, some of the less truthful information sources on a couple of subjects I’ve researched were Micros..t’s encyclopedia — ?Encarta, wasn’t it?
Wiki requests “citations for verification” which is a good thing but sometimes it’s worthwhile to double check the citation. Here’s something from the wiki article on the Nation of Islam.
“On May 8, 2010, Farrakhan publicly announced his embrace of Dianetics and has actively encouraged Nation of Islam members to undergo auditing from the Church of Scientology.[38][39]
Since the announcement in 2010, the Nation of Islam has hosted its own Dianetics courses and its own graduation ceremonies. At the third such ceremony, which was held on Saviours’ Day 2013, it was announced that nearly 8500 members of the organization had undergone Dianetics auditing. The organization announced it had graduated 1,055 auditors and had delivered 82,424 hours of auditing. The graduation ceremony was certified by the Church of Scientology, and the Nation of Islam members received certification. The ceremony was attended by Shane Woodruff, vice-president of the Church of Scientology’s Celebrity Centre International. He stated that, “[t]he unfolding story of the Nation of Islam and Dianetics is bold, [i]t is determined and it is absolutely committed to restoring freedom and wiping hell from the face of this planet.”[13]”
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The #13 citation comes from “The Final Stand” which is an NOI publication. Do they actually keep accurate nationwide statistics? It’s possible but questionable. I agree that wiki is an amazing source of information.
“Announcing” that the NOI had graduated 1,055 auditors in three years might be hype to keep the NOI crowd pumped up. “Where are they? I want some free auditing!”
Richard, good catch.
Back then, the NOI still had their Savior’s Day event at an arena that held about 15,000 people, though it’s unclear just how many attended. There are no accurate statistics available, but I’ve checked with sources that follow the group, and membership has been estimated at about 30,000, apparently mostly concentrated in the Chicago area.
It’s possible that they trained a thousand Dianetics auditors, many possibly just in co-auditing, and gave an average of about 10 hours of auditing to each member actively involved in the auditing program, but an average of only around 3 hours organization-wide. Those are the the sort of Scientology-style statistics that seem impressive at first, but that don’t amount to a lot once broken down – and that effectively confirm that the active membership is rather small.
The NOI has since moved their annual event to a much smaller facility, and appears to have shrunk significantly – like Scientology.
A pretty good documentary about the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bWNF_eNwvI
or
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/case-closed-columbus/
Maybe Hubbard has come back as a black man ?
Wouldn’t he get his ass kick? Not that I’m complaining…
When I clicked on the first link it was black and it said: “The following content was rated as inappropriate or offensive by the YouTube community for some audiences.”
Then I had to click on: “I’ve understood and want to continue”
Some nice “IAS Freedom Medal Winner” you got yourself there with “Minister Tony Muhammad”, Church of Scientology!
Wow.
I knew that the NOI followers have their fair share of very out-there woo, but, holy-moly, THIS guy…!
What a total whack-job this man is!
Talk about being divorced from reality!
The African Americans I know as friends and acquaintances and/or with whom I do business have jobs, families, their churchgoing, and lives that are integrated and intertwined with American society in general, of which no small part is comprised of white people, along with Americans of Jewish/Muslim/Hispanic extraction and other ethnicities. They are the least judgemental people I know. They’re very tolerant of other lifestyles and beliefs. Live and let live is what they are. If someone offered to remove and isolate them as a race to Mississippi or Arkansas – to give them their own state, in other words, they’d look at you in astonishment and probably take it as a racial slur if they thought you were serious. And they’d be right to take it that way because they are very much a part of American society.
The NOI flock are the poorest, least educated, least employed, most welfare dependent, most crime prone, most highly troubled drug addiction and alcohol addiction wise African Americans. Its not at all surprising that they’re delusion-prone and susceptible to NOI’s woo and magic and scape-goating solutions to their problems.
In America the NOI has its white counterpart dealing with the same issues the NOI deal with. They’re just as vulnerable, delusional, easily manipulated and susceptible to convenient scape_goating and unrealistic solutions to their problems.
The NOI is also still stuck in the first half of the 20th century, in many of its fundamental ideas and theories – just like Scientology.
They also seem to be people prone to believe in vast global conspiracies, as a way to rationalize away their own failures and organizational collapse. Even at its peak the KKK wasn’t a seamless nation-wide conspiracy, which is exactly why the NOI’s forebears left the South for Northern and West Coast industrial cities where any discrimination and oppression were more quickly receding.
“They also seem to be people prone to believe in vast global conspiracies…”
Like other angry, dangerous, desperate, mentally ill individuals and groups- Suicide bombers, ISIS, the KKK, the Neo Nazis, and many of the people who post on Breitbart and the Daily Stormer…oh, and last, but DEFINITELY not least, SCIENTOLOGISTS! Whoo hoo, they’re the Poster Boys And Girls for the Conspiracy Theorists – thank you, LRH!
NOI participation in Scn will probably remain low due to the cost. I could be wrong on this, however. Maybe with twenty or so highly trained people they could set up an initial “auditing and training center” and break free of the CofS. The lower level non auditing courses could be delivered at their mosques with little trained supervision. This might even create a demand on e-bay for scientology books now moldering in people’s garages and basements!
Richard, the Nation of Islam is delivering Dianetics in their Mosques with no on-site supervision by the Church of Scientology. The NOI has certified Dianetic Auditors. I regularly see posts in Dianetically Speaking, the public Facebook home of the Nation of Islam and the Church of Scientology, about NOI members who have completed the Professional Dianetics Auditor Course.
Someone could donate their Scn library to their local NOI mosque. This would f#*k ’em up even more.
(I guess that’s an “evil purpose” so maybe best not to do it.) ……………. (joke)
“I know, I know you have been looking for a good White man… I might have found a half of one… I’m trying to find a good brother”
So he’s maybe found half a good White Man – but he can’t even find half a good Brother?
David Miscavige is by size half a man – maybe that’s who Tony is referring to..?
Johnny Tank, your last line is so funny, I almost choked!!! Awesome…half brother, lol!
“Why are they not taking a stand against this bigotry and hatred from one of their own?”
Key phrase:”One of their own”, even though he’s only in it for what ($$$) he’s been promised he’ll get out of it, I’m sure. Once he gets crossed, he’ll change his tune complaining about all the SATANS — EXCUSE THE LISP, THETANS, in and of scientology, and will agitate for scientologuy’s eradication as a result, and NO one but the ineffective likes of “Fast Eddie will dare to call him on it. Even now, no one’s caring one whit that he’s an anti-semite of the first order, he’s managed to insulate himself so thoroughly from the hatefulness of his public speeches. DM didn’t realize what an awful ex-scientologist he’s going to be. Just ONE slip-up, Dwarfenführer, and you’ve got a TRUE SP, the likes of which scientology has never seen — Other than dear lil’ punching Pope.
The NOI, like Scientology including the indies, is small and failing, shrinking and at risk of eventual extinction, yet resorting to grandiose assertions and crazy theories that fly in the face of reality, in order to keep up the faith among true believers. Their leaders and spokespersons, like the man behind the curtain, are furiously generating hot air to keep up the illusion, even as things are coming apart and being exposed.
For instance, not only does the NOI’s expectation to just be handed 5 US states seem ludicrous on the face of it, but even the African Americans who live in the South aren’t buying it – the NOI has almost no membership there, it’s mostly a phenomenon of the Northern industrial rustbelt (where Scientology does poorly). As with Scientology’s “expansion” and “clearing the planet” propaganda, the NOI is managing to lure uncritical followers with illusions that somehow get treated as reality – delusional, really.
Exactly right on all, PeaceMaker.
Calypso Louis and Tony Mo make their FSM commissions; the cult get Bodies In The Shop and proof positive that they’re not racist, and the poor- as- church -mice NOIs get attention and love-bombing and DON’T get crush regged.
What could go wrong?
Of course, if the proudly, willfully and barbarously ignorant Still Ins would ever READ anything aside from Hubbard’s stuff, they’d KNOW what horrible people Louis Farrakhan and Tony Mohammed really are, and perhaps it would bother them.
And if the NOI flock were not for the most part semi-literate grade school drop outs they’d KNOW what a horrible, horrible person David Miscavige is, and in what contempt he holds people of color.
But, then, READING is not the forte of these 2 groups which are now happily sharing a bed. For them, ignorance is not only their bliss but their survival.
Like I said, what could go wrong?
By the sciences, most, or at least many people in America would need a lot of plane tickets to “go back”. How many of us are “from” just one place ethnically? I imagine if you did the DNA for NOI members, quite a few of their ancestors came from Western Europe. Black in America socially is one thing Black by where all your ancestors came from is another thing entirely.
“Go Back”? If we all went as far back as possible we’d all be living in the Fertile Crescent. Gonna get really crowded.
Wouldn’t it be nice if everything people believed was so cut and dried. No messy bits, no total BS, no suspended reality?
“The History of Man” by LRH should be required reading for all NOI members. They would realize they have genetic memories of being a clam just like everyone else and not be so racist.
🙂 Jen.
I guess Scientology has found a nut case that raises the bar up a level or two on just how insane you can get.
Thanks John Tyler, for following the NOI and the hate speeches of Tony Muhammad. The strange bedfellows of Scientology and the Nation of Islam continues to amaze. Farrakhan is even worse, hating Jews and white people is their doctrine. The actual beliefs of the NOI rival Scientology. Thanks to Mike for continuing to put this insanity in the forefront.
Strange bedfellows is the same thought I had Jew Boy. If the little mouse is afraid of the IRS I don’t think he realizes what real fear is going to be when it comes to Tony Muhammad. This should be a very interesting cage match sooner or later.
Hate is hate, racial inequality is racial inequality and violence is violence no matter the color of your skin, or what deity you do or don’t hang your hat on.
How deeply sad and troubling NOI’s message is.
“Someone who has a lot of Hubbard media should go through and find it. It is on OT VIII. It was version Nr ?? Why should somebody find it? If you are on OT VIII, Jesus can be an ant .. doesn’t matter.
Both, this Islam group and the cult of scientology, have similar traits:
– VICTIMS – the psychs, the government, the Aftermath, all attack this ‘poor’ scn religion and its leaders.
The Islam group is being a victim of the white man, they have been treated badly and so on.
– INDOCTRINATION – Boy, two hour speech gets to the point of hypnotizing you and for sure conveys ideas, that repeated over and over and over, indoctrinate you with the idea that you are the group that deserves states, and monetary support, etc.
Scn claims being a religion and that they help society while amassing millions of dollars stolen from blind parishioners just because they ‘are the only ones with the truth to salvage mankind’.
So both use lies to manipulate others while the leaders make themselves very rich.
And for sure both are a cult.
Both are dangerous cults. Very dangerous. Hmmmmm……COB embraceing Islam. Or, at least taking their money.
COB open minded? Now there’s a novel thought.
OSD: COB embracing Islam. Or, at least taking their money.”
I agree that that is obscene, BUT:
COB will take ANY body’s money. He’d finance Mike’s blog & the Aftermath Show if he thought he could get any money out of it. He doesn’t care about scientology or helping others or anything but the bottom line of his bank accounts’ statements. He doesn’t think any further than the immediate effect on HIS gross income.
NOI are not Islam at all except for the window dressing of their name and their style of dress. The NOI religious beliefs bear no similarity whatsoever to those of any of the various recognized Muslim sects.
NOI as a group have very little money. Their members are the poorest, most troubled and disadvantaged of America’s blacks.
The African-American middle class with jobs and normal lives look down on the NOI and consider them fringey , disrespectable whackos. They have or had a few Whales. The late Aretha Franklin was one of them. Mostly its parishioners are poor and struggling and under-employed and welfare dependent.
Scientology is a rich organization, and as well we know, insatiably greedy. In this instance, however, its not about money. Scientology embraced the NOI because our favorite cult is desperate for PEOPLE – any people, to walk into their orgs and sign up for something. The NOI, many of whom are deeply troubled, recovering addicts, beaten down by the punishments life has inflicted on them for their own bad choices, are susceptible to believing that their problems are ALL the fault of OTHERS.
( Like people of any race or color who are this broken and beaten down they are susceptible to believing in some scapegoat. This lifts some of the terrible burden off of their shoulders so that they don’t keep blaming themselves and doing themselves in. Its all the Jews/whites/psychs/Mexicans/etc. etc. fault, take your pick.)
Such people are ripe fruit for shyster demagogue sociopaths like Calypso Louis and Tony Mo as well as some others I could mention – ripe fruit to be plucked, used, lied to, manipulated and exploited, until such time they are no longer useful, and then its on to the next suckers.
Good post Aqua.
So does this mean that McSavage is on the Anti- Semitic Hate Group’s payroll?
With Scientology isolation of information such a strong practice, Tony Mohammed can say whatever he wants with impunity and his white freedom medal winner brothers and sisters will never know. Scientology teachs it’s members to withhold entheta and lie about it. It’s anther aspect of the cult that is killing it.
” I wonder what Tony Muhammad’s white friends in the Church of Scientology will think when they learn that among all of them Tony Muhammad “might have found a half” of a good man.”
Yo Dave,
Is he talkin bout You dude? You’re bout half a man. Question is ….. which half?
Really? A half a man? Well I’ll be damned. And here I thought he was a quarter of a man. Live and learn.
Some people are FAST some are HALF FAST….and so it goes.
Some are smart and some half smart too.
Pluvo:”Some nice “IAS Freedom Medal Winner” you got yourself there with “Minister Tony Muhammad”, Church of Scientology!”
scientology (DM) doesn’t see anything other than dollar signs. When NOI starts costing more than it brings in, DM will drop him like a maggoty fish.
Damn right they are!
Some guys are “Smart Fellers” and some are…………..
Oh I think we all know which half he is, the stinking, putrid, rotting, evil decaying half.
Which Half?(of a man)? The back half, of course. Tiny Dave is not much more than a tiny derriere on top of a tall podium in front of a stage-set that makes him look even SMALLER than he is IRL.
IAS Freedom Medal Winners Meghan and Ben Fialkoff are Jewish. I’d love to ask them what they think of their fellow FMW Tony Mo’s hate filled rants and the NOI’s anti-Semitism policies. As Jews, what do they think about this, or are they “in ARC” out of the usual, willful ignorance of which Scientologists are so fond?
Judging from Tony’s words, I guess it’s only a matter of time before the NOI runs the Co$. I wonder if Tony and Louie will allow white people to do services there when they own the place? Jews allowed?
Identification, polarization and vilification of “outsiders” is the stock in trade of all cults. The sole purpose is control and domination of the followers minds and money.
I still love this guys words:
“I have a dream (Yes) [applause] that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice (Yeah), sweltering with the heat of oppression (Mhm), will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.
I have a dream (Yeah) [applause] that my four little children (Well) will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. (My Lord) I have a dream today. [enthusiastic applause]
I have a dream that one day down in Alabama, with its vicious racists (Yes, Yeah), with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of “interposition” and “nullification” (Yes), one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. [applause] (God help him, Preach)”
Martin Luther King Jr
LDW said:”Judging from Tony’s words, I guess it’s only a matter of time before the NOI runs the Co$.”
IMO,if Tony tries to best DM and take over scn, he’ll experience WHY DM won his many coups. AFAICT, Tony didn’t have quite the battle to the top Davey Boy had, so would be learning ‘on the job’ many of the lessons DM has already mastered. Tony’s problem is that he’s leading with his only aces in the game, and they’ve already been devalued by overuse. HIS space opera ain’t any more believable than Tubby’s space opera, even to the most ignorant of audiences, particularly when it’s well-known on the Internet.
Calling all bitter apostates, I am sending a request:
Somewhere in Ron’s writings or tapes I remember him saying that the Kaaba, the sacred structure for Muslims in Mecca which gets circumambulated, is an implant device, or people get restimulated, or something like that.
This information should be found and sent to the NOI.
Can you imagine a Christian promoting being a Scientologist and then finding out that Hubbard said he was a lover of young boys.
Someone who has a lot of Hubbard media should go through and find it. I think it may be on a tape.
Calling all bitter apostates!
“Muslims in Mecca get circumambulated”?
Really? Do they get some local Anesthesia first? I would think it would be too painful for an adult to have that done to them. Why don’t they do it when they are infants like the Jews do? In that way they wouldn’t have to suffer all that pain when they are adults.
(still just trying to be funny – please forgive me)
C’mon now, Skyler, they don’t need no anesthesia! They’ve got the tech!
OSSD:”C’mon now, Skyler, they don’t need no anesthesia! They’ve got the tech!”
Yeah, they’ve perfected the tech of separating the clapping seals from their money without anesthesia. Now the NOI gets to experience it for theyselves.
This ought to be fun to watch!
Skyler,
When David Miscavige had people run around the pole he would have loved to have used the word ‘circumambulated’ instead of ‘runna you ass rounda the pole’ . But we all know he has a hard time with those ‘poly-silly-a-back-all’ words.
And, yes Bian, I too recall Hubbard referring to the mecca circumambulations ; maybe on the PDC tapes.
Friend Brian, as always Google is your friend – such a good friend that it even turns up Hubbard himself speaking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbT6bQi-1bw
“What’s Wrong with This Universe: A Working Package for the Auditor” lecture on December 9, 1952
PDC #24:
“It’s an enormous stone hanging suspended in the middle of a room, this is an incident called the Emanator by the way, and this thing is by the way the source of the Mohammedan Lodestone that they have hanging down there, that, eh, when Mohammed decided to be a good small-town booster in eh Kansas, Middle-East, or something of the sort. By the way, the only reason he mocked that thing up, is the trade wasn’t good in his hometown. That’s right. You read the life of Mohammed.
And he’s got a black one and it sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor, I don’t know, maybe they call it the Casbah or something or… Anyway, anyway, that thing is a mockup of the Emanator! The Emanator is bright, not black.
And so, your volunteer, who insists on a sightseeing trip, goes in and this thing is standing in the middle of the room, and it’s going ‘wong wong wong wong wong’ and he says: “Isn’t that pretty?”. It sure is, and then he says “Mmmgrmrm ponk” Why, I’ll tell you, they cart him from there, and they take him in and they do a transposition of beingness.”
And to think I used to believe this man was imparting valuable information rather than spinning tall tales from his posterior orifice.
Mikey:”And to think I used to believe this man was imparting valuable information rather than spinning tall tales from his posterior orifice.”
Full agreement. Trouble was, he had an evil genius for making that s*** sound reasonable to those of us who COULD master higher mathematics AND the sciences.
Oh, HOW did I fool myself into believing that he might have a fuller understanding of the universe® than real scientists and engineers.
What I learned from Ron is that shit can come out of more than one hole.
Yep, what a load of indescribably confusing cat puke Hubbard use to waffle on about.
It’s amazing how much we lied to ourselves that it would all be understandable one day when we reach the dizzy heights of OTness. It seems very appropriate that OT is basically defined as zero, because that’s exactly what to get for all your your money and time devoted to Scientology.
” And he’s got a black one and it sort of hung between the ceiling and the floor, ”
I think he must be talking about Dave although Dave is usually found closer to the floor and the color probably has to do with staying too long in His tanning bed.
Let’s ask Eff Pee what it’s take in this is!
Thank you Peace Maker, I found it this morning also. Maybe I’ll post it later so it’s exposure is more public. This information should get to NOI.
They should know most definitely.
Hey Skyler – Remember when you were making a joke about the pimps on 42nd Street wearing zoot suits? Check out Tony’s jackets. 🙂
You are right Brian, and I’m sure our resident tech guru, FOOLproof, will kindly come through with the reference that you requested. Hubbard uttered this so it would be a high crime for him to deny it.
I believe that the reference is on one of the academy level tapes. At least I heard it about the time I was studying that stuff but I was also listening to the pdc tapes at the same time. Hell, I’m probably going to be accused of having an ‘mu’ and just going unconscious and just making this up.
Brian:”Somewhere in Ron’s writings or tapes I remember him saying that the Kaaba, the sacred structure for Muslims in Mecca which gets circumambulated, is an implant device, or people get restimulated, or something like that.”
I hazily remember hearing him say something like that, and it’d be in the study tapes or something in the Academy Levels, as I didn’t bother listening to the PDC or any ACCs.
This man’s method is to blow a lot of hot air while saying absolutely nothing to a small audience of followers too brain-dead to question his assertions.
If only he would have started a hot air balloon company, none of us would be talking about this mess.
Tony Mo to NOI:
“We’re gonna clear out all the Whites from their homes in these 5 southern states. We’ll send them back to Europe or wherever they came from. Now, once this territory is cleared of contaminating Whites, its going to be your land. Blacks only. We’re going to fly you there, we’re going to get you set up with jobs, job training, housing, whatever you need. And Mexico is going to pay for it.”
Whoops, sorry! Got my indefatigably lying demagogues mixed up. Make that “And the United States Government is going to pay for it.”
“Relocating” people already costs U.S. taxpayers a lot of money.
I’ve heard a similar comment before but only from Native Americans, how it’s all their land, sorry but it’s true.
1) Renews the Nation of Islam’s call for Black people to be given a separate territory comprised of five states. He states, “Really, all of America belongs to us. All of it.”
If whites should go back to Europe then it follows he shygo back to Africa??? ?
He needs to go back to the place where he left his brain.
That would be a place where the sun isn’t shinin’.
🙂 Ms. B.
At this point it appears that “Native Americans” invaded North America from Asia anywhere from 10K to 90K years ago. The descendants of these migrants claimed territories and, in some cases, fought over those territories, as is typical of humankind.
Just making the point that virtually every race or culture (except an isolated few) has been on both ends of territorial conquest. (Ask a Hopi what he thinks of the Navajo tribe.)
NOI’s teachings seek to pit humans of different color & culture against each other in order to divide & conquer — A technique probably as old as humankind and used by every race and in every culture.
WhatWall:”NOI’s teachings seek to pit humans of different color & culture against each other in order to divide & conquer — A technique probably as old as humankind and used by every race and in every culture.”
AND probably every tribe, especially those with little contact with others. ‘Course, THEY had some cause for concern: Strangers could bring new, dangerous diseases. Just look what happened to the
Native Americans when “whites” came along.
“Really, all of America belongs to us. All of it.”
Delusional talk targeted at a tiny group of African Americans with extremely low self esteem desperate for validation of their own self worth.
African Americans are a diverse people. There is no longer any such a thing as “The Black Community” in this country.
Middle class American blacks would hear this kind of talk and roll their eyes at the absurdity of it.
At least , the ones I know would.