This is a new “success” story from a “New OT VIII” completion who has completed “OT VIII Expanded” (didn’t know there was such a thing) even though she had completed the “original” OT VIII.
She now has to provide a “success.”
this is the basic “tech” to turn failure into success.
Step 1 — ignore the fact you were sold a bill of goods (with great fanfare) the first time. It was not actually the “real thing” but some screwed up squirrel version. Miscavige and “Senior C/S Int” were there delivering it (and raking in the dough) but erase that from your whole track recall. You also have to get amnesia over the fact that they made you pay again. OT VIII is like one of those exploding Samsung phones. Except unlike Samsung (or anyone else) they don’t apologize for the shit they sold you, they just tell you it was defective (apparently altered by some transcriptionist) and you have to buy a new one now. You can’t switch brands or we will declare you. Just hand over the cash and you had better be happy about it or we will sec check you for being “disaffected.” Sorry sucker.
Step 2 — explain that you failed to do the rest of the Grade Chart properly. You false attested to all those levels where you asserted you had achieved the “End Phenomenon” of the level and that you wanted others to have similar gains to yours and you wrote success stories about how you were now cause over the universe and nothing could stop you from achieving your goals blah blah blah. Consume a great deal of crow pie and suck it up and say “boy, I didn’t know what I was doing and the gains weren’t really that good, but NOW…” And again, forget that you paid twice for the same phone 20 times in a row.
Step 3 — Thank the auditors and C/Ses and commend them for knowing what THEY are doing and make no claims just that “they said I am a completion, so I know I am.”
Step 4 — Thank COB and LRH.
Step 5 — Get as far away from the Freewinds and the vulture regges as possible.
MB, I hope this is the start of a whole new golden era of freedom for you. Freedom from thinking you have to keep “progressing” on the Bridge. There is no more progress for you. Maybe you will be able to jump out of the hamster wheel. You are sounding pretty jaded if that’s the best you can come up with (and if this is what scientology is using to promote OT VIII – the other “success stories” must be total dogs).
Unfortunately, you apparently got all your children in and are so proud of that. Sadly, this will no doubt bring you great sorrow at some point.
I don’t get this. If you buy a product that turns out to be faulty (transcription errors etc.) you are eligible for a refund or replacement free of charge.
Here in Australia, we have a “Not fit for purpose” clause. Meaning, if the product purchased proves to be unfit then you are legally entilted to these options. Does none of this exist elsewhere? Could this clause not be used as a basis for a lawsuit?
My understanding of this law is that it is enforceable even if you buy the product from overseas… as can be referenced on such sites as ebay, amazon etc.
Could Australians, who purchased these dud products (Not just the OT levels but all products that have to be repeated due to supplier error), not apply for their legally required replacement or refund?
I am aware that the ‘still ins’ are unlikely to ever use this clause… but what about those that have left?
Just an addendum: I believe the law here in Australia states that if you agree to offer your wares for sale to Australian’s then you agree to abide to Australian laws.
Food for thought.
“I have been in the BEST hands on this planet”
So so so sad. She has never known betrayal like she may some day. Thank goodness for the honesty that comes with integrity. Thanks also for so many who have dissected this sham. When she answers up to her self and then very carefully plans an escape back to reality, will her husband and children and grandchildren be by her side for support? I think not. I suggest starting with a eye to eye talk to your significant other. Don’t expect results overnight. Comm-lag really doesn’t mean lower toned. Be patient. Don’t forget your goals 🙂
Take them with you when you go, it will hurt less and you will be doing them all a favor. On your way could you tell my children to call me? 2138803661.
This success story is really a troubling commentary on her state of mind. She has, unknowingly, revealed her fear. That’s what I pick up when I read this. Her fear… I can almost hear the quiver in her voice. Her entire family is in the cult. Her family is so entrenched that it would not surprise me that she was forced under threat to redo this ridiculousness. And, it’s highly likely she was given a bullet list to follow to ensure her success covered all points similar to how Mike outlined it. She has given up her life, her money, her future, and that of her children to pursue this ludicrous belief system. And, when truth slaps her upside the head, she ignores the blaring warning blasts and alarms and writes this drivel of lies anyway. I think the saddest part of all is the fact that she willingly lies to other innocent people to encourage them to do it too. Like a used car salesman…step right up, this is a dandy of a car…no problems, perfect condition,,worth every penny, buy it, you won’t regret it. Makes me sick to my stomach as much of this topic does.
I’m just curious, why doesn’t Uncle Davey take advantage of these exciting, new OT levels…it’s not like he has to pay for them out of his own pocket?
Come on, man, walk the walk.
well, as Sarge said in his own account of the final days of LR Hubbard, why L Ron said he failed at scientology. LOL, yah think!
DM is just a lair and scam artist.
wow a Dave, are your pants on fire?
Bob Duggan has left your scam, I see in your latest mag only Trish is shown.
LOL
You loser, you!
Bob did not leave, just left his wife. He’s still dong crap for the cult.
“DM is just a liar and a scam artist.” I like the ultimate simplicity of that. Keep smiling and keep lying. As long as the lawyers keep you out of jail, why not?
I am both sad and furious.
I know these thoughts. I’ve had these type of thoughts. I’ve so often went from disagreement, “who, me? I don’t need THAT” to …”how how great the tek is…”
Just sickening.
*shudder
If she can’t put it into words…isn’t that a basic failure of the communication class that is taken at the very beginning? Never-in, so what do I know. All is obviously a vague description and a sham. Sad if this a real person. Sounds like a scientology dynasty family. So very sad for all of them.
“Original OT VIII” was a term developed by the Independent Scientology group mainly on Marty Rathbun’s Blog from 2009-2015. Interesting to see that the COS has adopted outsider tech. “Original OT VIII” was purged by Miscavige. There is no way to do an expanded original OT VIII. Original OT VIII was de-briefed in the 1990’s. You could only expand OT VIII by developing your own personal auditing. There is no way that the current church could deliver anything like “Expanded OT VIII”. This is a totally impossible task based on the fact that Hubbard’s instructions were disowned by Miscavige. Now the church is getting into more lies.
Amnesia on the whole track is theoretically impossible to remove based on Hubbard’s theories that the mind is like a computer. There is simply not enough storage. Hubbard’s ideas about the capacity of theta to absorb data are based on ancient occult texts developed before quantum physics.
Hi George, what happened to the much metta and the buddha stuff?, your comment on OT 8 is revealing but I think that this level still could be extended to reach lower cases.
oh you think OT8 could be extended to lower levels?
Have you done OT8?
If yes, why do you think so?
If no, why do you think so?
Why do you think there is such thing as a “case”?
Do you think “clear” and then “OT” can be achieved, and why do you think this is possible?
Rafael, I am more deeply involved in Buddhism than ever before. When I started to research Hubbard’s Occult roots, I had to shift to a new avatar to send a different message.
I am now working on demonstrating that Hubbard copied almost all of his theories from Blavatsky, Crowley and Theosophy. When I started with the “much metta”, I was on a crusade to destroy Hubbard’s incorrect statements about the Buddha. Secondly, I have been approached by several Southern Baptists and Jehovah Witnesses. I found that the cultural differences are so great that it is impossible to communicate with these people. Buddha never said to spread the doctrine. It all was left at “come and see”. This is not to say that “much metta” to a Jehovah Witness would not work but it would take some great erosion.
When I saw that OT VIII was in reality 6th Grade material, I had the same thought. It should be at a lower level. I reject Hubbard’s idea of “massive case” on the average person. The “massive case” would be with Christian cults. Actually, I recall being receptive to the Lucifer message.
“Much Metta”
George, I firmly disagree. OT 8 should only be in the history books and spare the 6th graders please. In 6th grade I was only wondering if my boobs were going to grow and if mom and dad would stay together.
You sound like you still have the them and us stuff going on.
I suggest drop it.
And whats this about ‘case’? Oh please spare me.
Otherwise I love you. Will love to see the results of your studies. Seeing where LRH got his ‘tech’ from always gives me the giggles 🙂
Thanks, Cece.
You caught me stirring the pot.
From this account in Wikipedia, Lucifer ain’t such a bad dude:
Occultism[edit]
Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition, influenced by Gnosticism, usually reveres Lucifer not as the devil, but as a liberator, a guardian or guiding spirit[107] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[108]
In Anton LaVey’s The Satanic Bible, Lucifer is one of the four crown princes of hell, particularly that of the East, the ‘lord of the air’, and is called the bringer of light, the morning star, intellectualism, and enlightenment.[109] The title ‘lord of the air’ is based upon Ephesians 2:2, which uses the phrase ‘prince of the power of the air’ to refer to the pagan god Zeus, but that phrase later became conflated with Satan.
Author Michael W. Ford has written on Lucifer as a “mask” of the adversary, a motivator and illuminating force of the mind and subconscious.[110]
If Elcon could get people to regard him as ” , , , the true god as opposed to Jehovah.” then that would be the pinnacle of “success”. LOL What’s left? LOL
Great work Richard. You found the point.
Thanks, George. Just to go down an idle train of thought, who knows how many cosmologies and interpretations of them exist on earth? With the ever increasing population on earth there are probably new ones popping up all over. Add to that a few billion people who have passed on over the last 100 or so years and took there corny old religions with them (joke), and there’s plenty of fresh meat if someone wants to start a new religion and make a million dollars.
Also, Elron may have changed his mind about coming back and he’s floating around in the ether waiting for prayers of admiration and supplication to come his way.
What a train of thought – I’m outa here
Can’t remember where I got this idea from but the Devil’s job to punish the sinners, isn’t it?
A bad guy would punish good people, not the sinners. So the Devil is actually one of the good guys, no?
Richard, if for whatever reason DM ever decides to offload Dan Sherman, those Wikipedia contributers writing about Lucifer would be good candidates to replace him. Talk about the woo being strong…
Aqua – The wiki entry included numerous definitions or interpretations of Lucifer including those from Judaism, Christianity, Islam and others. I highlighted the one from Occultism which seemed to fit what George is saying.
P.S. I’ve been following George’s research for over a year starting back on Marty’s blog.
P.S.P.S – George has mentioned that he’s preparing a formal paper which will be open to public criticism and debate. I think it will be a worthwhile contribution to religious studies regarding Scientology. Paraphrasing, George once mentioned that, perhaps surprisingly, religious scholars would have no problem understanding and placing in context Hubbard’s Wall of Fire.
Thanks, Richard. Understood on that. Respectfully, its ALL woo to me including and certainly not limited to the first 3 you mentioned.
Laughter!
georgemwhite, n.b. if spirits or what ever they are called are NOT from this universe, quantum physics is not relevant as that has to do ONLY with laws of things made of this universe.
But, yes quite correct about the the blather from the Indies about “original” OT VIII
No amnesia on the whole track, eh? Wouldn’t that pretty much end the need for further guided Auditing? If you’re wondering why you cann’t walk through walls just look back, way back. And figure out how and why you prevented yourself from walking through walls, find the earlier similars, the implants, the agreements, the disagreements, the overts, etc. I mean you by OT8 have some idea of how the mind works according to Hubbard and how to clear up emotional trauma and how to unstick a postulate. So just get to doing it on your whole track. I’ll wait…. It really makes me wonder why this people even think they need OT9 and 10?
But, there is no “whole track”. The OTVIII EP is that either, you made up everything or that your memories were those of the BT’s (Simplistic version… depending on who you ask.).
So their statement that they have “no amnesia” actually makes sense in this context, in my opinion.. It’s stupid… but it makes sense.
Now that this person can see that ALL their previous life stuff was fundamentally untrue, they can see their life for what it “really” is… likely… THIS life.
The only way to keep being invested is to deliriously believe that more OT levels exist, or to believe that all previous tech was necessary to bring you to this state of awareness.
The other option? Realise you were scammed and get out… which I think is happeneing (quietly) more often than not.
*happening
P.S. I am very curious as to what the OTVIII “extended” is. This is new to me. What has DM added/removed now?!
Sigh… a whole new redo of the level may be coming… another “Oopsie, we got it wrong. You must come back and do it again, at your expense, of course.”
Sheesh.
This new OT VIII Exp. rehab is likely the result of previous reading errors with the Quantum, or pre-Quantum E-meters. This has long been known and confirmed using more advanced GSR meters in the FZ/Indies.
Further, the rehab was likely done by well-trained ship personnel than quasi-trained OT VIIIs solo’ing previously, thus the level was likely unflat.
Australian Anon, actually there is no El Con material that claims there is no “whole track”. So, in scamology tech there IS a whole track.
Of course I’m not talking about reality, only what scamology “tek” says.
Mike,
Would they make up Success Stories to publish or promote?
Has that ever been done?
So many clues but I do not know who this person, MB, is.
Does anyone know?
This is a story of a person who is not well mentally. Those kids are being cheated out of a life that includes education, knowledge, true happiness (or the fun part of seeking it), art, self-determinism, critical thinking, responsibility and truth. That sucks. They have no chance of escape under those conditions.
“This is a story of a person who is not well mentally.”
Sarita, unintentional on your part I’m sure but thank you for that 🙂
No more amnesia on the whole track would be very easy to verify. Who were you in the last few lives? What were your names? Your family members’ names? Where are your graves? Etc etc. So is this Scientology definition of “no amnesia on the whole track” different than what most folks would think it would be? I guess that’s it huh? Because I can guarantee you, M.B. would not be able to answer one simple question pertaining to the whole track. Because it it could be done, it would be flaunted.
OIC, you’re another one who persists in asking these logical questions! Stop, already! OT8s don’t do parlour tricks. Their job is to claim fantastical insights and abilities. They don’t have to prove anything. Your job is to accept and believe whatever you are told by Ot8s including what’s claimed in their Success Stories. Cappice? Screw you and anyone who has the unmitigated gall to request some sort of PROOF about this stuff! Not OK! J An OT8 would never lie. Just do your part. Believe what you are told. That’s all. Thank you.
Yea, that was very unethical of me. I’ll go report to the RPF.
Please, yes.
Didn’t we recently hear that there no longer is an RPF, that all instances of it had been purged?
What a cruel and greedy ‘religion’ this is.
All scientologists are like cattle coming in for the eventual slaughter, but before that happens, COB and the dead LRH clamp onto the udders with sharp teeth and milk away until the poor victim is utterly spent.
Even if one is foolish enough to remain in scientology after OT VIII, there are still those expensive trips to Clearwater and empty promises of more ‘freedom’ to come.
There is no bridge to freedom, nor does scientology offer any happiness. Scientology is an extremely unethical dairy farm and hot dog plant, run by ruthless and cruel thugs.
This must end, and as it continues, our politicians and law enforcement agencies are letting us all down. Someone has to defend the victims of this unscrupulous cult.
Let’s all write letters, protest, and keep the pressure on. We are doing a great job.
2D would be sex and the creation of kids, but as I see it, romance is optional, as Ron didn’t seem to believe in love; Didn’t put it on the tone scale, didn’t say much of anything about it from what I recall. ‘Course, there WAS that one issue that said that sex was a construct of the Marcabian Psychs to cause us pain or some such: that nixed nookie for a few married couples, I hear.
Ron was SUCH a romantic…. NOT!
STANDARD is such an annoying word. So is the phrase “orders of magnitude.” So glad to be free of that annoying language.
Mike: thanks for disseminating the futility of a delusionoid.
MB: I would dearly like to help you get megawins from your next course called OTVIII Expanded Magnified. Take out this insurance next time you are asked for money from the dear Mother F*** Church.
Here are the instructions “Go down to your friendly dollar store. Buy a small wall mirror. Polish it nice and shiny. Draw the largest outline happy face you can on it with red red lipstick. Mount mirror on wall in your bathroom. Stare at it for 2 min each time you are in there. Repeat “mirror mirror on the wall, who’s the biggest fool of all?” each time. Within a week it will answer you.”
But…..but…. You’ve got to recognize that MB; THIS MB, is probably the 34th or 78th valence/entity/ thetan/BT/walk-on/ mock-up/being to use MB’s body. Of course THIS MB has had wins, this is the first time THIS MB has been audited. It is great that MB has been gracious enough to (knowingly?) share the use of her body while others worked through the wonderful world of Hubbard’s imagination. Wins are wins. Just be sure to log your stats by Thor’s-day.
BY the way, a static has no memory so, technically speaking, there is no amnesia. Maybe disorientation and lack of manifestation, but no amnesia. I don’t think that idea will sell: Do the bridge::: Become a nothing.
This success verifies the fact that all the OT VIIIs grade IVs never went in.
They have invested so much time and money into getting there that there is no way they are going to “be wrong” by seeing this sham on the upper levels for what it is.
Sad little men and women living in a bubble of broken dreams.
Vomit!
Good job on the explaining of the basic tech to turn failure into success Mike, chilling but very accurate.
It’s like the feeling you get when you know there’s a minefield out in front of your position but someone comes along with orders to proceed forward. You try to tell them but they won’t listen. You look them over, sigh… but you can’t help but mutter, “good luck buddy.”
Dealing with the resulting explosion in the distance makes you feel really strange, sort of like having family still wandering about in that Scientology bubble.
These so-called “success stories” are reading less like it has anything to do with confirmation bias, but more like they’re just trying to get by and survive without too many problems. It seems like this person was pressured to come up with ANYTHING, because ultimately, that’s what is expected of OT VIII’s (and others).
I wouldn’t surprised one bit if the fear of possibly losing her husband, kids, grand kids, etc. was somewhere in the back of her mind, knowing she might lose them all if she didn’t conform to the expectations and demands that her beloved “church” places on their members.
“The staff on the ship are here just to get us as a Product”. Could someone translate this for me please? Is this sucker so brainwashed she’s able to refer to herself in such de-humanised terms, or have I got a misunderstood here?
Nope, you pretty much have it covered.
One of my favorite terms they use is the word “terminal” to describe a PERSON. As in “This guy’s upset and needs a terminal.” Or “After you attest to your Grade 2 your next terminal is the Registrar to sign you up for Grade 3.” Oh–here’s a good one–if you’re looking for a girlfriend or boyfriend you’re likely to say “I need a 2D terminal.” It’s used all the time. Very dehumanizing indeed.
Yeah, you’re right. He gave people a Duracell or Eveready personality. When their energy (money) ran out, into the trash they go or coerced to join staff to be recharged Scientology style. Hubbard never liked ‘humans’. His reference to ‘terminal,’ as you mention is numerous and often.
Let’s not forget the best part: using an Admin Scale to find that 2D terminal, and then trying to talk that terminal into being your 2D. “B-But LOOK – we ALIGN! We have the same Goals and Purposes – what else is there? This means we can really serve the 3rd Dynamic! Don’t you want to do that??”
With regard to the above success, my blood ran cold at getting to the part where her children and grandchildren are in the SO. So, so sad.
And one last: “Extreme Ironing” noted in a comment below. Kimo – best line today – thank you!
WWAW,
Still Ins not only find 2D terminals for themselves using Admin Scales, they also get divorced using Admin Scales.
Example: long married, seemingly happily married couple, all of a sudden divorced. Big surprise!..
You: .”What happened?”
Divorced Scientologist: “Actually, our Admin Scales changed.”
You: “Oh”.
A court of law would call it “ireconcilable differences” and leave it at that but nothing so petty would ever fly in Scientology, oh no!
Its not that they never really got along in the first place. Its not that despite their determined outward show of marital bliss, from day one he got on her nerves and she bored him senseless – no! “Our Admin Scales don’t align anymore”. Very lofty, noble. So sad, Admin Scales don’t align anymore, they have no choice but to part!
Scientology is a logic-free zone, so be more surprised when something DOES make sense, than when it doesn’t. From the first time we encounter KSW, we’re required to be “unreasonable” (more properly known as unreasoning or irrational), accepting Tubby’s every word uncritically: as gospel. Early on, the greatest use of our reasoning powers becomes “How does that word salad have any meaning at all?” Some of his writing requires cryptographers’ services to decode what he meant to say. So often, knowing all the definitions of all the words is necessary to tease out a most-probable meaning to the sentence in that paragraph. He THOUGHT he was such a hot-shot writer that he didn’t need to edit, or review, his work. He was just too smart, too highly advanced to require such. All of us who have tried to write to communicate to others have found that we rarely get it right on the first try. And it’s great to have an editor who can change our viewpoint just a smidge to improve things. Ron undoubtedly had intelligence. Shame he devoted it all towards his cons and prevarication. Shame he believed his own stuff. Shame he couldn’t confront his own overts and overt products. Shame he couldn’t apply that intelligence towards good works. Shame he was so obsessed with enslaving everyone — including himself.
That’s the sentence that stood out for me. Is that supposed to sound like a good thing? In any other context, that would be a scathing review.
In real life the success story would read like this:
My high school physics teacher called last night. He told me that the A I got on my report card was in error because I did not learn how to make mud pies properly in kindergarten. I will be starting over next week.
Once I get a full-time paid tutor to help me finish all the lower grades again and learn common core math I am told I will be happily paying to get a tutor to show me just how wrong I was about physics and even PE the first time through.
Many thanks to the ever evolving educational system for forcing me to never have to face real life. Extreme thanks to the creative financing methods used by those people who continue to help me understand that being a productive member of society is a goal which should never be attained.
My second high school diploma will be even shinier than the first. I am already looking for funding sources unrelated to actual employment to re do my college. I understand the degrees I earned are worthless now due to that pesky physics grade.
Thanks to those tireless researchers for showing me the light.
Mike, re your meeting with Gerry A. in MacArthur Park.
Heber was talking about it at a Flag event. He called you a great guy, made you out as a heo of Scientology, pretending to Gerry that you were the leader of the resistance.
Then came the pucnchline, “He’s the dishwasher !!” to laughs all around.
Were you the dishwasher at the time?
No – I was the Legal Aide OSA US at the time
(Big sigh…). Ok, ok…it was me. I was the dishwasher. And I’ve been the dishwasher for decades. And I feel great talking about it! But, all those wasted years with soap makes me sad. I mean, all those years with the soap….I was clean, but, never happy.
Hey, it could be worse. The valence of ‘toilet’ is far worse, be happy with dishwasher, or maybe some other white goods item, refrigerator would be good too.
OSD,
You hit on it! We all need to postulate that COB/DM has to come back as a bowl brush.
2 kids in the SO and 2 grand kids in the SO.
Yep, she paid. With her kin.
And they got you as a product, a commodity, a bank account. Nothing more.
That’s just incredibly sad. Four family members still in. I hope they make it out ok.
She is screwed, utterly.
Wow, she actually said IT she has no more amnesia on the whole track. (No doubt because of all the people pointing out that it DOESN’T happen as promised)
Therefore she (as per LRH’s pronouncement) can tell us how to make FLT spaceships and other cool stuff that will really help humanity…
p.s. “Expanded” in scamology means contracted. It was contracted to remove Hubtard’s ranting about Christ and the Devil, et al.
You talking about the original OT8? Where Hubbard reveals he’s Lucifer?
The original release in ’86 was the Lucifer & Christ release. “New” OT 8 has that material redacted. It is the “squirrel” version.
Wynski and OSD,
For your information, MB can tell you ANYTHING you need to know about her whole track! Anything!
Going back to Fac One and WAY before, she can recall anything and give you precise details, and in correct sequence, too.
Be assured that she can ABSOLUTELY do this, gentlemen!
But she won’t.
Because OTVIIIs don’t do parlor tricks, Besides, its all confidential data in her PC Folder. Telling you about it would be grossly out-tech!
So there!
It would be greatly appreciated if you would both stop asking annoying, logical questions. Thank you.
Sorry Aqua. (lowers head and puts away book o’ logic)
I’ll let it go this time, Wynski.
Aqua, LOL!
Of COURSE she won’t be able to tell anyone about her whole track. That’d be discussing her case, a definite no-no out of session. AND, any advanced tech would be as fantastical as Ron’s revelations He often referred to “advanced” constructs such as DC-8s,which were old, worn-out, and obsolete when he wrote about them them in OT III.
I hope she is saving her money knowing she will be asked to pay and do everything a third, forth and fifth time until she is either dead or out of money. If she wants to continue communicating with her husband, children and grandchildren she will play along, smile and bow deeply while thanking COB for making it all possible. Hip, hip, hurray!!!!!
Wonder if she knows that the Purif and Survival Rundown may be next if she hasn’t done them already after her Ot 8 1st time around completion?
Is there a new grade chart showing OT 8 Expanded?
Wonder how many failed OT 8s are going to jump on the bandwagon to do this new level?
Yo MB,
Think of the suck-cess you will have doing it a third time!
Yo Dave,
Time to roll out GAG-A-ROONEY III
Gag-a-rooney III…I don’t get it. Sorry to be a bore, but clue me in, please?
Golden Age of Crapology3, dude or dudess. Don’t question the master Newcomer.
Thanks, Sore. Unquestioning acceptance of The Master’s slightest utterance herewith pledged.
I also did original ot 8.
very simple.You said you were a soldier in Mussolini`s army.true false?meter false.
I was a captain in the middle ages.True false.Meter false.
In other words you are just saying what the space cooties(now gone) told you.
EP:You are just at the same level when you started when you entered scientology:Past lives.Dunno.Had not thought about that.
Space cooties?Say what?
OT 8.ep:A sucker who has been fleeced but who has been programmed to say uh ah,this is good!
Good one, Kimo! LOL
The previous was meant for Kimo’s comment down below. 🙁
Wow. No more Whole Track amnesia. Amazing. Mike, you nailed my last five years in this mess except that I had to be sure to acknowledge The Basics in my Success Story. Step 5 was impossible without actually moving away from Clearwater.
Mike,
You hit the nail squarely on the head. I couldn’t agree more. Self delusion underlies the whole “suckess” story.
I was a suckess once. But, I sucked it up, and went surfing. Now my days are filled with suckless days. And, man, do I have…big fun…since I left the cult.
Copy & save your own comment buddy boy… reread it aloud next Christmas. Then I’ll comment on the obvious… until then, fins down & break hard!
OT8 expanded … MORE truth revealed????
Let me get this straight … THIS time she got the lower levels “REALLY done” even though the previous time to OT8, everything was CSd /verified by the alleged best tech people in the planet and the RTC … who were supposed to ensure “standard tech” and making sure all of the previous levels were “REALLY done” but apparently they were completely incapable of doing so until the last GAT scheme rollout, even though RTC was extolled in every success story previous to said rollout! … What possible logical sense does ANY of this make?
THIS is why Scientologists will indeed believe ANYTHING they are given called OT 9 & 10 …
And she claims “no more amnesia on the WHOLE track”? Uhm … yeah … right … Like when she as a being took on all the different bodies on all the different planets and where and who she was 77 million years ago, and in 45 BC, and 765 and 1227 and 1689 and 1921? (to pick out a few random dates) … NO amnesia, total recall … Uhm … yeah … right …
Oh no! You mean you think she wasn’t telling the truth about that?
Darn. For a minute I really rekindled my hope.
Joe P, thank you for responding just as I would have to this article.
Not as regards OT8, but I said and wrote all this to staff about what they were insisting I redo.
I outright refused to redo certain courses and auditing actions to which I had already attested, refused to pay for them again, saying,
“You want me to redo ______? Fine, You delivered it to me. I paid your price. It was wrong? You pay for it! Why should I pay to do it again? Where was Qual all that time, delivering ______that was out-tech or not on Source? Sorry,I will not be doing it again AND paying for it again. That’s not fair to me! Its one or the other: I’ll do it again and not pay for it, or, if you insist that I have to pay then, guess what, I’m not going to do it. I ATTESTED to this already! Out-tech? Too bad! Its YOUR problem, not mine!”
Of course, this was all conveyed in a proper, conservative tone level. Not at all the way I’m letting loose here!
And, as you can imagine, it went over splendidly.
Mike, thank you for this superb piece. Nails on the head all over the place.
Also, I noticed that they’d NEVER outright admit that the course or auditing action I was being required to re-do had been originally delivered to me out-tech.
So I came back at them with, “Well, if it wasn’t out-tech, if it was all in-tech, why do I have to re-do it?”
Boy, did they dance around trying to answer that one! Their discomfort was palpable.
Sad, kind of. I liked them. I didn’t want them to be uncomfortable.
On the other hand, what they were demanding I do was wrong, expensive and time consuming. Unfair!
What it probably means is that her OT8 auditor asked her what she was doing 19,736,578,463,754,347 years ago at noon. She promptly replied that she was refurbishing doll bodies on Mount Moonaloon, or cleaning electronic ribbons on Aeschyclus, and her needle floated. Pass!
MB had an exciting life. At noon that day I was at a Tupperware party. First of many millions I would attend. And, yes, just as there have always been psychs on the whole track, there have always been Tupperware parties.
*sigh. I love tupperware.
Yep, thar she blows!
There’s always another contradiction within Scientology. What about ‘home universe’ which you were meant have well before you agreed to or had this MEST universe shoved down your throat, or even the magic universe prior to this one? In the 50s he raved on and on about recovering it and your prior abilities. “Before the beginning was a cause…” etc only relates to the MEST universe and the beings in it, not about you particularly (another garden path so recognised in reference to his later writing, it’s not a basic for anything but a carrot). Hubbard gave MEST beings a really bad rap in his lectures, like they are here only to organise you into oblivion. He changed his tune to a whole new beat time and time again to keep the subterfuge going. Breakthrough after breakthrough he made, he used them as a justifiers to contradict his own so called “standard” bs! He lied through his teeth with KSW1. His conscience must have been like a sludge pit. No wonder he audited himself silly looking for a solution or more honestly or better stated, it was somewhere for him to hide while giving everyone the illusion he had a conscience and was an OT super being (with rotten teeth) taking care of the business of mankind’s future. He had already sacrificed his humanity a long, long, time ago. Probably based with his occult dabbling, but then he found MONEY!
Top of Bridge bs.
I think I’m going to be sick! This makes kim jong-un look like a neophyte !
Expanding and expanding. It’s an straight up and vertical sort of expansion.
Chris, I think you meant to say “explosion”. 🙂
I think you meant to say, ‘An explosion of epic magnitude! One that will be remembered for all eternity.’
Big Bang Theory? That’s a sitcom isn’t it?
I came across this quote from LRH in his Technical Bulletins, Vol. 1; “At those times when a preclear undergoing intensive processing does not improve, it is policy either to sell or give him additional processing but this should never be stated to the preclear before the intensive run is entered upon for it drops his necessity level. The necessity level must be kept high during the course.͟“
I assume this also applies to those who have been declared Clear as well. Keep them needy, keep them wanting, keep them paying as long as possible.
In a word, Mike, SICK. Worse: without knowing it.
On another note, Mike, I keep wondering about something. If you’re not yet Clear, you’re a preclear. If you’re Clear, but haven’t yet moved forward, you’re a preOT. Once you’ve done OT1. you’re OT. Then what? 🙂
A NoNOTs perhaps? Or otherwise known as a KnowNot… ANd then when done with OT VII you become PreAmnesiac?
OMG, a PreAmnesica, LOL!
Dealing with bankruptcy and losses, is there a term for that? You’ve always got something to worry about being a Scientologist. The higher you go, the more you have to bs to yourself. Putting terms to it, well… I prefer a broad military one, SNAFU.
What has always left me confused, is if a Scientologist hasn’t made it to clear, then aren’t they really still a “wog,” perhaps just a slightly better variety for having at least joined the CofS and done a bit of processing and training on their way to supposed real “clearing”?
And yet probably the majority of staff and SO aren’t clear – and it’s not a priority to get them there (much less to higher OT levels) in spite of the claimed value and importance of reaching the level of no longer having a reactive mind (or of having OT powers). Plus a large portion of the long-term membership has languished without ever (being able to afford) making it to clear, though it seems like there is a big push on at moment to finally get people at least that far (and I wonder if a good part of the counts they’re claiming, might not be long-term staff and SO, who may no longer be as occupied with the work of serving a shrinking membership).
But I suppose if it’s not logically contradictory, it’s not Scientology….
That sure is some potent Kool Aid they’re serving over there in ORG-land! HAHAHAHAHAHA!
“This 2D OT Group is helps make me whole as a Scientologist.”?
Can someone parse this? I’m not sure English has a double-verb grammatical structure.
And what are Extreme Thanks? Is that like Extreme Ironing? Where you go to the most inhospitable places on earth to actively thank someone?
Oh wait. It’s the Freewinds. My question is answered.
My question was about that exact same sentence (“This 2D OT group is helps make me whole as a Scientologist”).
I thought “2D” meant sex or romance in Scientologese, but she’s saying this about her children and grandkids? Is “2D” about immediate family in general?
When you take the big one in the rear, it is a 2D action. And that is what the Big S does, so if you are a member of the Big S, you have to love it!
Yes, that’s all part of the 2nd D. Sex, family, children.
Thanks, Evie. I got the impression from how ex-Scientologists talk, that “2D” was a euphemism for sex. Could child-abuse be considered “out-2D” then, or is that reserved for having sex in disapproved ways or with disapproved partners?
If “2D” really includes all family relationships, I think it’s the 2nd dynamic that the church has messed up the most badly. They need remedial classes taught by people who aren’t sociopathic narcissists.