Date: Fri, 09 May 2014
From: Claire Chisholm <[email protected]>
Subject: Just so you know.
Dear Xxxxx,
I am writing to let you know about a very exciting game that it being played across the UK. The game is to have a combined total, between all UK orgs, of 1000 public on either their Purification Rundown or Survival Rundown by the 6th of June.
Birmingham’s share of that quota? 100 of our public on their Purification Rundown or Survival Rundown!
This is an amazing game and one that everyone can play and win. It will bring about expansion on all dynamics.
Just imagine our Org with 100 people actively moving through these amazing services, getting the wins and gains that LRH intended and which have never before been fully available.
The Purification Rundown is now completely standard – from the cleaning and the vitamins, to the delivery. The gains being experienced by those going through it are literally life changing.
The Survival Rundown is completely tailored for you. It allows you to objectively handle all those things that you run into that prevent you from doing as well as you could. It isn’t called the Survival Rundown for nothing: it allows you to do exactly that!
The energy and buzz that is being created in our Org from this game is fantastic and I really want you to be a part of it.
If you haven’t seen the Golden Age of Tech Phase II events you must come in and see them. You will be blown away!
If you don’t know what your next step is on the Bridge, come in and see me about it. I will help you to find out and to get going on it.
The Bridge is now so easy to travel. Attaining Clear and OT is so real. It is just a case of getting started.
I am here to help and I look forward to seeing you in the Org very soon.
Much love,
Claire Chisholm
You can be certain this is a “target” that is totally unreal to these people, but it is as big as they could possibly think and not have their heads explode.
So, let’s take a look at the sad state of affairs.
The UK has two “ideal” and St Hill size orgs (London Day and Fdn) as well as St Hill itself.
It also has what they call orgs in Plymouth, Brighton, Birmingham, Manchester, Sunderland and Edinburgh.
There is a lot of hype about how the ideal orgs are making “clearing a reality” and London have been ideal orgs for nearly a decade now, so one would imagine they would be showing some signs of impinging on the scene.
The population of the UK is 64 million. If they get each of the thousand people through Purif and Objectives in 2 months, at this rate it will take 128,000 months to get everyone in the UK through Objectives. That is more than 10,000 years. And this is operating at a level that is a wild, wet dream compared to the current state of affairs.
Dear Leader keeps yakking about “speed of expansion”…
Field Auditing
And this is the sad state of UK Field Auditing.
According to this they need 150 books sold, or 9 per field auditor. This is pretty tough math, but by my count that means there are 17 Field Auditors in the UK, India and Pakistan.
And they are the second best continental area after Europe!
THIS is apparently the definition of straight up and vertical, massive international expansion “52X the previous 63 years combined.”
The Emperor has no clothes.
Understood Mike
Sorry it got like this but to be fair even your comm with this chap got the reply
“You, Mike, seem to believe in some parts of Scientology”
This is 1.1 and should be treated as such.
It is like a marriage you have to put some effort in to get some wins out.
Manchester would have been an Idle Org by now if the planning permission had not failed.
At some point HE (I love that, by the way – the ancient Israelites had Yahweh, and we have “HE”, or “HIM”) – HE will decide that there is sufficient HAVE in the form of shiny new renovated empty buildings, and will order everyone into frantic DO – getting themselves and others back in, on lines, on services. Then, once HE decides that enough DO has occurred, then they’ll all be able to BE.
And now a message from me on the fringes of the internet to HIM: Sir, do you read this blog? Because, Sir, nothing expands like this. In fact, the opposite occurs. Things actually shrink when one operates in this way.
What’s that, Sir? Oh, you know this already? Well, never mind then.
Do I read that right? Scientology still thinks India and Pakistan are part of the UK? Goes with their Telexes, I guess.
UK = United Kool-aid Drinkers.
This is a test. I’ve been having trouble posting.
“these amazing services, getting the wins and gains that LRH intended and which have never before been fully available.”
??????
So what exactly have these Brummie squirrels been selling to the public for the last thirty years then?
I still cannot beleive the cheek of these money grabbing creeps.
Its quite plain they have only ben in Scientology since the dwarf seized power. An old timer would see this crap for what it is.
I expect Birmingham Org to be as downstat now as it was the last time I went in it when the Jaques pig was running it into the ground.
If memory serves the then ED of that Org flattened Jaques with one punch before walking out of the building
It will be easy for them to get the 100 starts they want, they just ring up all the clears and OT’s still stupid enough to be in their CF files and re-reg them for their Purif and SRD regardless of where they are on the bridge as that no longer matters.
If you really want to get a Kool Aid drinker’s panties in a wad, tell them that you did the Survival Rundown already – in 1981!! LOL
I said this to someone who was talking about how much she was looking forward to doing it. When I said the above, she stopped in her communication tracks like a fembot watching Austin Powers do the grind. Short curcuit, rejection, rationalization, then, “Oh, well they must have improved it then. I didn’t know there was a Survival Rundown before THIS one…”
Regurgitate, Regurgitate, Regurgitate. That shows DM as the stupid cow that he is.
The Kool Aid wore off. The Sheeple find out the truth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM6owwj7zPk
“I didn’t know there was a Survival R/D before this”. Wow. The implications of this statement. OMG. The young public and staff have no idea that there even was an SRD before now. They have no way to compare how Scn is now to how it was then cuz they weren’t even born “then” in some cases. Sad.
Sorry that was supposed to say Purif not purify. stupid auto correct as I posted.
Hey Mike – what do they mean by “tithes?” Has there been a new arbitrary that, since DM is the Pope of Scn, that Scientologists also have to give 10% of their money to DM?
Honestly, I’ve never heard of a Scientology church asking for tithes before. What is that?
Hi Mike – I hadn’t read the comments yet. Delete these both, if you want. Calling them tithes. Pfffff.
Been around since the days of the Franchise Office WW
” the wins and gains that LRH intended and which have never before been fully available.”
Oh really? “Wins and gains have never before been fully available”. …….. so what has been going on for half a century plus 13 years anyway??? LRH would smile upon that statement. (I understand you are just parroting father dearest, His holeiness in Hemet)
Nice eval Claire! Makes me want to scurry on over to avail myself of them thar wins and gains now that you folks have them all mapped out.
“The Purification Rundown is now completely standard – from the cleaning and the vitamins, to the delivery.”
from the cleaning…..?!? What are there new processes for cleaning yourself pre and post sauna?
Bert — I think this refers to cleaning the sauna. With ideal cleaning tech of course.
Yeah, wax on, wax off
Mike, you’ve been out a long time. Things change. New stuff is rediscovered. This is ‘enema tech’. Developed when a misspelled directive came down ordering ‘enemy tech’ aimed at you. They’re still working on the ‘enemy tech’. The good news is that stats are up on the number of words to which you can add ‘tech’.
I noticed that too. What so you mean that the “old purify” was out tech? If thats the case then no wonder Narconon has so many lawsuits. They were using sub standard purify tech until now. Can we sue them for not delivering what they promised since 1950?
With the org shortages of toilet paper, can they really get *clean*?
Mike, your pointing out that there are only 17 active field auditors for WELL over 1 Billion people illustrates better than any other stat I’ve seen, the true picture of scientology on Earth.
Guess they need to roll up their sleeves.
I just realized what Dave means by Ideal Orgs. It’s really I deal Orgs. Here’s an archaic definition I came upon that dear leader has exhumed and fully made his own.
deal – to have dealings or commerce, often in a secret or underhand manner.
Good one MJ.
Maybe I deal real estate. He could put it on his business cards:
Mr. David Miscavige
Chairman of the Board
Religious Technology Center
Ecclesiastical Leader of the Scientology religion
Galactic Samurai
Pope of the fastest growing religion on earth (r)
“I deal real estate”
Now, now Mike, this is coming a bit too close to the truth….
Greta
The appearance of Roger Kaye’s name on these lists is a surprise. Does anyone know if it is THAT Roger Kaye? Wasn’t he blasted into oblivion after the Bournemouth Mission debacle? I wonder if he is being “kept” as knows too much.
Well, I don’t know Martin, it would be an amazing coincidence if there was another “Roger Kaye.”
Funny you mention this as I just saw a promo piece from Birmingham featuring “guest speaker” John Parselle, “OT VIII and LRH trained Class VIII”. He NEVER audited. He was always a reg (he recruited me into Tours Org ANZO in 1973) but was blown off and left the SO in the early 80’s I think (his ex-wife Linda Philips is still around somewhere). Haven’t heard of him for 30 years and suddenly he is the “featured speaker” with his name in bold.
Maybe UK is so short of anyone they are literally bringing the dead back to “undead” status.
Maybe DM bought the old Disney Animatronics workshop…
Bringing the dead back to undead status is just one of the many miracles of GAT II.
I got a feeling Linda is still staff at AOSH. John is indeed a Reg through and through – but was used heavily as a tech “authority” on closes. The drill was to have John review the folder and come with the killer C/S that would close the PC. It would start “Joe Blow has suffered with lack of actual auditing and now needs to move on the Bridge. This program has been tailor made to parallel Joe’s case…” They all started like this. John’s daughter Narayanee married a local Scientologist Assaf Rawner and they have a couple of kids. Bumped into them at a local Farm recently where they assured me “everything is so standard now…” (Sigh). Being recent OT VII (VIII?) completions they have to say this! Funny, it wasn’t that many years ago I had to drill Assaf on 50 foot TRs to handle his “robotism”.
Nothing wrong with setting targets and trying to make them. Nothing wrong with playing a game. Nothing wrong with wanting to improve production of your purpose.
What’s wrong is lying about “unprecedented expansion”, “making planetary clearing a reality”, “explosive growth” and pretending your condition is other than what it really is.
Perfect summation.
The basic problem is that the sheeple have absolutely no idea what the truth is, the control of them comes from it being a serious ethics situation with the RCo$ If they try to find out. Family, their eternity in jepoardy (if they fall for that they need to word clear eternity) are the threats used, oh and of course being thrown out so they can join us.
Stats? as they say in England “Bloody Pathetic”
Wouldn’t want to piss off Dave, now would we?
Strong armed methods of the racketeer. Capone is still such a good analogy.
I’m sorry my mistake….I ment to say….Without
people who know what they are doing.
There are many women who are very capable
of running a show like this to complete success.
My wife being one of them.
Let’s pay those backlogged tithes….AND EVEN BETTER,
let’s sell some services to students and PC’s.
I could validate this attitude but considering the current level of supping, auditor
understanding & application and a complete misunderstanding of
what goes on in the mind when an FN occurs, I don’t think I would
sell services to any of those wayward souls.
The earlier statement….”The Purification R/D is now completely
Standard”…..thank goodness for that! Just the other day I was
sitting here wondering why in the hell the Purif hasn’t been
standard all these years.
Even though these postulates seem magnificent, to these folks,
Mike has shown the truth in the absurdity of the numbers.
Without guys who know what they are doing, like Mike,
running the show on the admin side, there will be no
auditors, no pc’s, and finally no orgs.
This is nothing more than hoopla of their own demise.
That’s where they are heading for now: They have “fired” all the SP Administrators who knew what they were doing… and now they are no longer making auditors, field auditors can’t make a living, the pcs are staying away…. and the orgs are almost empty. We are witnessing the “hoopla of their own deminse.” 🙂 Well said.
Claire Chisholm wrote:
“The Survival Rundown is completely tailored for you. It allows you to objectively handle all those things that you run into that prevent you from doing as well as you could.”
This is a statement from a person who works for an organization that supposedly deals in philosophy.
She says that the Survival Rundown allows you to objectively handle “all those things that you run into that prevent you from doing as well as you could.”
The use of the concepts of “subject” and “object” are quite interesting in the philosophy of Scientology, and are the opposite of the use of these concepts in real life. In real life “subjective” is what happens inside your head, and “objective” is what happens outside your head.
But here we have a Scientology professional philosopher saying that the Survival Rundown, processing which ostensibly addresses inner mental considerations about the outer world, allows you to “objectively” handle something better.
In the real world, “objectively” also means “testable”.
Look closely at the word games being used here. Their words are the keys to what they are actually doing. When you adopt this kind of twisted logic, and internalize it, you are screwed.
The real reason Miscavige is re-running everyone on the Survival Rundown is so that they will once again subject themselves to his “good control”. He wants to remind them not to be “aberrated” and resist his “good control”, and he wants to regain control of them so that they obey his commands again.
The Survival Rundown uses the same techniques that you use to break a horse so that you can ride him. It uses the cognitive dissonance created by forced repetitive tasks to create a personality shift in the pc. It is blatantly designed to create a slave who will do exactly as he is told.
It does NOT increase a pc’s self-determinism. It creates a person who will carry out commands he is given against his own self-interests.
It is a trap.
DO NOT WANT.
Alanzo
To credit them with playing word games, you have to credit them with a level of literacy that I do not believe exists. I don’t think there is trickery involved, I think these people don’t have a clue what they are saying.
They hear things said at events, don’t understand them (who could?) and then regurgitate.
As for what Objectives do, I don’t buy the horse breaking analogy. I haven’t ever tried to break a horse, but I wouldn’t do it with a book and bottle 🙂
Of all the things in scientology, I do not believe Objectives reduce someone’s self-determinism. I have not observed this, rather the opposite. I believe there are real benefits to these exercises. In any event, if anyone felt they were being controled or put under somneone else’s control by doing Objectives it would be the control of their twin or auditor, not Miscavige or LRH.
I understand what you are saying, Mike, but in order to get what I am saying, you have to take the fascinating journey into learning about actual brainwashing techniques, including the full theory of cognitive dissonance.
In cognitive dissonance theory from the early 1950’s, a personality is made up of THOUGHT, EMOTION, and BEHAVIOR. (Remember Hubbard’s THOUGHT, EMOTION and EFFORT from the CCH materials of around the same time?)
In cognitive dissonance theory, when these 3 parts of a personality do not conflict with each other, a person feels an inner consonance, or harmony. But when a person’s thoughts, emotions or behaviors conflict, he feels dissonance. Other words for this are disharmony, or even “entheta”, or “restimulation”.
Per the theory, this dissonance or restimulation is intolerable to a human being and they will adjust their thoughts, emotions, or behaviors to get rid of it.
Therefore, all you have to do in order to create a personality shift is to keep controlling one of these three – either the person’s thoughts, their emotions, or their behavior, and the person will adjust the other two to be in harmony with the one he can’t control in order to get rid of the dissonance or restimulation he feels.
This is how the Marines take a peaceful pacifist and turn him into a trained killing machine during boot camp: every aspect of his life, from the time he gets up to the time he goes to bed is NOT under his own control. And he is fed instructions (THOUGHTS) on how to kill people throughout this time. The pacifist feels bad (EMOTION) about what he is learning – it goes against everything he has been taught (thoughts) all his life.
But because he is under total control from the time he gets up until the time he goes to sleep (BEHAVIOR or EFFORT), in order to get rid of this dissonance he feels, he starts to adjust the other two. Once he has achieved this adjustment to be in line with his behavior, everything is copacetic or consonant in his world again.
And thus, the personality shift has occurred, the former pacifist is now a trained killing machine, and he feels good about it.
The CCHs and the Objective were developed by Hubbard around the same time that cognitive dissonance theory was being researched and developed by Leon Festinger. In fact, Leon Festinger’s book “When Prophecy Fails” was written about a former Dianeticist who started a cult.
There are so many similarities with the techniques that Hubbard used at the beginning of the Bridge, and this theory of how to create a personality shift, that while I have not found the smoking gun that will prove this, I believe that Hubbard used full cognitive dissonance theory, and his understanding of navy boot camp to create the initial conditions necessary to create the personality shift that makes a Scientologist.
Also, the Scientology recruit is promised the carrot of Clear and OT, and he undergoes this brainwashing process willingly based on the claims Hubbard placed before him.
This is just one reason that many experts on brainwashing have said that L Ron Hubbard created one of the most sophisticated brainwashing cults ever devised by anyone.
I know. It is debatable, I don’t have a smoking gun to show you, and you can have your own opinion about all this. But learning about these brainwashing techniques outside of the influence of Scientology is, I believe, vital for anyone who has ever been through auditing.
Alanzo
See other reply Alonzo. I think you are really having to stretch the analogies. Marine trainees are like people on Objectives?
Put down that reefer 🙂
Mike, Objectives are great, but if they are run with fixed hours, it would result in overrun. (With enough hours, they could be reduced to robot.)
No doubt
Well said Mike. I agree with your comment about what Objectives are all about and what they accomplish.
On that promo letter as an after thought, the very last line says, “And even better, let’s sell some services to your student/pc.” So the reader has to wade through all the tripe that came before it to maybe get to the ending last line or two to see auditing and training promoted as just an after thought. The rest is just mindless catch phrase cliches they’ve heard at events that they regurgitate to each other, “will make you expand on all your dynamics” and “LRH’s intention” etc ad infinitum.
And one more thing.
Mike wrote:
Of all the things in scientology, I do not believe Objectives reduce someone’s self-determinism. I have not observed this, rather the opposite. I believe there are real benefits to these exercises. In any event, if anyone felt they were being controled or put under somneone else’s control by doing Objectives it would be the control of their twin or auditor, not Miscavige or LRH.
This is a great point. I really appreciate your well thought out rationale here.
But let’s look at LRH’s tortured teachings on CONTROL that the pc is introduced to, and which is literally drilled into them on the Survival Rundown.
First, CONTROL is composed of “START CHANGE STOP”.
Is it really? I mean outside of any kind of Scientology context, out here in the real world, is control REALLY composed of START CHANGE STOP, or is this just some prestidigitation and fluff designed to distract you from the next step of the tortured cult logic you have to swallow?
Really examine this outside the context of Scientology.
Next, the point is made to you that there is GOOD CONTROL and there is BAD CONTROL.
Is there really?
Or is this the unspoken distraction and set up to get you to accept that you should be willing to follow GOOD CONTROL, while rejecting BAD CONTROL (whatever that is)?
So what, exactly, is GOOD CONTROL?
Good Control is control that reaches across the survival of all 8 dynamics – or “8C”.
Now. Is the graduate of the Survival Rundown more willing, or less willing, to automatically be controlled by “8C”?
And where does 8C come from?
Other Scientologists.
And where do those other Scientologists get their orders that need to be complied with?
L Ron Hubbard.
Yes, Mike, there are benefits to TRs and Objectives. I got many of them. And I know that you think that when I use terms like “brainwashing” that I am presenting an extreme position on Scientology.
But many Indies right here on your blog have stated themselves emphatically that there was nothing moderate about L Ron Hubbard at all. And very few people are up to the level of confronting what L Ron Hubbard was really up to when he created Scientology.
I know.
This is where Marty used to say, “Put the reefer down, Alanzo!” (:>)
But I’m tellin ya, Scientology is not what L Ron Hubbard told you it was.
Alanzo
Alan,
I dont want to engage in a debate about this. I think your assumptions are really a stretch — you now conflate the definition of control into how Objectives might teach a person to be controled and that “8c comes from other Scientologists.” And where do they get their “orders” from? L. Ron Hubbard of course.
I think Marty may have been onto something 🙂
I let you state your opinion at some length, but I don’t want to continue a back and forth on this.
Just so you know….
Alanzo, FYI, the USMC only takes volunteers. My uncle was an O6 in the Corps. I once asked him why they didn’t draft. Paraphrased answer. Because you can’t take pacifists and make them into enemy killing machines. A person REALLY has to want to be a soldier to make it. I’m sure you could do it with torture and heavy drugs though. But that is FAR beyond the scope of Bot Camp 😉
Alanzo – A point about “Start-Change-Stop.”
This is not an LRH only idea. This is as old as the studies of the Magi and the Mystics. That’s where he got it from.
Want to find some interesting similarities? Read “The Emerald Tablets of Thoth.” Broaden your horizons. LRH got it all from somewhere else, by his own admission in the original SOS.
Further, Alonzo, “cognitive dissonance theory” is just that…THEORY. You speak of it as if it’s a provable and fixed concept. It’s not.
And your arguments make me dizzy. You make statements, then ask questions about your statements, then answer the questions to YOUR satisfaction to back up YOUR opinions.
I’ve read a lot on this blog and even more on Tony’s blog regarding hypnotism. Lots and lots of opinions. I studied and practiced hypnotism many decades ago and found it quite unreliable over time. As for convincing a lot of people about some specific thing, governments do it far better than LRH could have ever dreamt of. So does Madison Avenue, and both groups can show real stats. And both continue to do it on a daily basis.
I got what I got from scio, then stopped when I knew I had nothing more to gain. My “wins” were just that, MY wins. I did the hard digging, looked at the junk I had taken aboard and was able to change a lot of things in my life positively. Was it all goodness and light? Hardly. Nor was my two years in the Army. But I learned, then moved forward. And despite the dishonesty and injustices, I would not bitch about any of it. I made great friends, many of whom are still great friends. I learned a lot, grew a lot, expanded a lot…all according to my own standards. I’ve heard many on these blogs make similar statements. Scio was an experience, good or bad according to each individual. And that, to my way of thinking, is what life is all about. Lots and lots of experience. Some grow, some regress, some change little. So what?
Those still in will either remain to the very end, or blow when they “get it”. They’re on a journey of their own choosing no matter what anyone else says. If they want to do 20, 30, 40 years of obeying others, it’s not much different than a military career. Not mine to criticize or make fun of. And especially not mine to judge.
And all the foregoing is must MY opinions which anyone can reject out of hand, should they wish. Doesn’t bother me a bit. Or counter them. Or totally ignore them. Still doesn’t bother me a bit.
And all the foregoing is must MY opinions which anyone can reject out of hand, should they wish. Doesn’t bother me a bit. Or counter them. Or totally ignore them. Still doesn’t bother me a bit.
🙂
Also got it from the Vedic Hymns.
TheGman77 wrote:
“I got what I got from scio, then stopped when I knew I had nothing more to gain. My “wins” were just that, MY wins. I did the hard digging, looked at the junk I had taken aboard and was able to change a lot of things in my life positively. Was it all goodness and light? Hardly. Nor was my two years in the Army. But I learned, then moved forward. And despite the dishonesty and injustices, I would not bitch about any of it. I made great friends, many of whom are still great friends. I learned a lot, grew a lot, expanded a lot…all according to my own standards.”
This is a good, positive, and constructive viewpoint on your time in Scientology.
It’s very valuable to me to hear these kinds of things. Sometimes, when you really get down into the crazy shit that LRH was into, and think about Scientology from that viewpoint, you can get a little freaked out.
Not everybody approached Scientology the way LRH did, and it’s good to be reminded of that every now and then.
Thank you for that.
Alanzo
I like your logic and evidence concerning Hubbard and brainwashing. I was surprised you didn’t mention the “Brainwashing Manual” he authored in the early 50’s under the penname Charles Stickley. The story of this manual in and of itself is very interesting but if nothing else it demonstrates beyond a doubt that Hubbard was very aware of brainwashing techniques. For fun replace the word Communist with Scientoloy, it’s seriously creepy! 🙂 Here is a link to the pdf – http://www.apfn.org/pdf/The_Brainwashing_Manual.pdf
Alanzo,
What exacty is your purpose on this blog other than denigrating all of the Tech all of the time.
You won’t stop people getting auditing and training believe me.
Hiatus57 wrote:
What exactly is your purpose on this blog other than denigrating all of the Tech all of the time.
I’m applying Logic 8 to Scientology, Hiatus.
In order to truly understand Scientology, you have to go outside of Scientology.
You can’t understand Scientology by using Scientology to understand it.
So. By providing ideas of comparable magnitude to various parts of Scientology, I am able to achieve my wider purpose of providing information so that people can make more informed decisions about their own involvement in Scientology.
No extra charge.
I deliver blue white diamonds regularly in this way, and have for many years, free of charge.
No!
Don’t thank me, or make me into some kind of Saint.
It’s just the kind of guy I am. I worked for free for 16 years for Scientology, it’s only right that I work for free for 16 more exposing its lies and abuses.
And there’s no better place on the Internet right now to do that than Mike Rinder’s blog.
Alanzo
Alanzo, using Logic is a no, no. 😉
Right on, Hiatus 57 !
thank you Cindy,
You notice he did not answer the question but I did get the reason anyway.
He worked for “free” for 16 years for the Org?
Well if he did not make it go right to get up the bridge on both sides that’s his problem.
So now he is going to spend the next 16 years spewing his arc broken case on Mike’s blog.
The poor sod.
I would think that Mike will have long moved on with his life and on to better things by this time
eh Mike?
Hiatus, yes I noticed he didn’t answer you. I agree.
If someone is ARCXen, get it fixed instead of running your out ruds on others forever and just move on. But I’ve read Tony O’s comments and there are some commentors there that comment with great pride about how they love to go to Mike Rinder’s site to bait and denigrate the poor sods who still think the tech works. They shake their heads at what stupidity these poor misguided people have and they take it on themselves to disabuse us of our horrid ideas.
Well in my book when you try to take someone’s stable datum from them and thus pull the rug out from under them, it is nothing more than invalidation. And I would also question the person’s intentions on it too, which you did. And as you so correctly pointed out, no matter how vociferous his arguments, he will not get one convert here at all. Not one. I think he should leave and go somewhere where he can get lots of agreement with his mutual out ruds. But than that’s no fun! What kind of game would that be?
Yep.
Thank you Haitus for saying what I’ve been thinking a long time!
Actually Hiatus, I really did answer your question.
I stated my specific purpose for the post and even my wider purpose for posting generally on the Internet on the subject of Scientology.
“He worked for “free” for 16 years for the Org?
Well if he did not make it go right to get up the bridge on both sides that’s his problem.
So now he is going to spend the next 16 years spewing his arc broken case on Mike’s blog.”
Labeling someone’s statements as “ARC Broken case” is what L Ron Hubbard told you to do so that you would not think about or evaluate ideas that countered what he wanted you to think.
This is a mistake.
This is L Ron Hubbard telling you what you should think about and what you should not think about.
Did you really sign up for that as a Scientologist?
I know I did not.
Go back and re-read my response to you with your TRs in.
Respond exactly to what I wrote.
Let’s graduate from knee-jerk reactive make-wrongs and have real communication.
Shall we?
Alanzo
This is the end of this conversation.
Two ships passing in the night.
No point in continuing to blow your horns. You are looking in different directions.
Mike wrote:
“No point in continuing to blow your horns. You are looking in different directions.
It sounds like we’re gonna crash! (:>)
I’ve been thinking about your post here since you made it because I want to understand why you cut things off at some times and not at others. I figure that if I can understand this better I can work within your rules of moderation.
It seems to me that you feel there is an impossibility here of communication, that it is impossible for me to understand hiatus’ point, and for hiatus to understand mine.
I do think that I understand Hiatus’ point: He believes that I am an SP who is trying to stop people from “going free” using Scientology. He believes that is my purpose here.
The question is, is this a correct understanding?
And is it possible to improve the understanding between me and hiatus?
You, Mike, seem to believe in some parts of Scientology, and so I would think that you have some form of attitude that communication is the universal solvent.
If Hiatus and I refrain from personal attacks, and stay on the subject, don’t you think that it is possible to eventually create a glory-filled KUMBAYA moment where Hiatus and I embrace in the light of new understanding?
I do.
I’ve seen it happen many many times.
In fact some of my best friends on the Internet started out thinking that I was an SP whose purpose was to stop people from “going free” with Scientology auditing and training.
Jus sayin.
Alanzo
Alan. I am somewhat random in my moderating depending on how much time I have, whether I am doing it on my computer or phone and my mood.
You and Hiatus are welcome to carry on with your Kumbaya efforts between you. I think after a while it becomes a distraction to everyone else.
So, sorry, I cannot tell you when I will and won’t cut things off. But I do always try to make it known and not simply trash comments without mention.
That’s the best I can do to explain my “policy”.
All right, Mike.
Thanks.
Alanzo
Wasn’t Black Heart’s WHY that ‘the Orgs. were doing too little?’
Now his WHY has become a fact: 1,000 for all UK is nothing, plus is limited only to Purif. and Objectives.
One contrary datum: WDAHs (Well Done Auditing Hours) for groups total = 177.26; for individual auditors = ZERO. And I wonder what they include on: ‘other delivery hours”; I assume is Purif, maybe Assists and God knows what else.
UUUHHHH, Energy and Buzz ? I’ll have a BEER.
Ain’t that sweet
Just promoting to the sheep
Now I ask you very confidentially
Ain’t that sweet?
Oh ain’t that nice
While the staff eats beans and rice
Yes I ask you very confidentially
Ain’t that nice?
Just cast an eye
In their direction
The stats are crashed
Beyond redemption
What a treat
To know your bridge is incomplete
Contraction moving exponentially
Ain’t that sweet?
Good one, MJ 🙂
Just a walkin down the street…ain’t that sweet?
H mike
What is the deal with the tithes? They have to pay a tithe on top of everything else? Is the tithe separate from the IAS dues and all the other services they pay for? I have never seen tithes mentioned in connection with the Co$ before.
Cheerio!
“Field auditors” pay a 10% tax on their income for the right to be “licensed” to audit. They call this a “tithe”. It is above and beyond all other payments for IAS or anything else. WISE businesses are expected to do the same thing. So too Missions.
Arg! Is Auditing for the Co$ the only profession in the world where someone spends a lot of money to earn their degree and the right to practice and still has to continue paying the f**kin’ University 10% of their earnings for the rest of their lives?
Thank you for your amazing analyses of this craziness, Mike!
Money changes everything
Money changes everything
We think we know what we’re doin’
We don’t pull the strings
It’s all in the past now
Money changes everything
““Field auditors” pay a 10% tax on their income for the right to be “licensed” to audit. They call this a “tithe”. It is above and beyond all other payments for IAS or anything else. WISE businesses are expected to do the same thing.”
Are there forced audits by the church to make sure businesses pay the right “tithes”? Are the business owners kicked out of the church for failing to “tithe”? Does the OAS fair game business owners who object to paying? Does any of this sound like an organized crime “business protection” operation?
Uptithe, outta sight!
“The Emperor has no clothes.” In truth, the Emperor has little skin left, being flayed alive by the actual stats. I remember staff at SH in the 60s as sharp, professional, high performing individuals. Has *that* description crashed, along with their stats.
The math scrambled my mind, but I think they have somewhere between 11 and 100 I HELP UK members, of which approx. 15-17 are “active”.
Yes, but the thorny issue is: is the member “active” if they haven’t paid their tithes?