Tell us it ain’t so…
You didn’t get the FILING DONE??? OMG! After 20 years of begging, scratching and trying, using the most advanced administrative techniques ever developed on this planet, you could not get the filing done?
Why didn’t you allocate like $40,000 out of the $40 million you raised to pay some people minimum wage to do the filing? There are tons of people, including a lot of needy scientologists, who would have done it.
This is one of the more interesting commentaries about the state of scientology today.
What is MOST important is collecting money.
Next most important is public displays of “expansion” to keep people giving money – exemplified by the ribbon yankings.
Followed by PR statements that announce they are “clearing the planet” and “winning” to convince people it’s not a losing cause and to keep giving money.
Actually DOING anything in or with scientology is the bottom of food chain. It gets relegated to the wholly unimportant.
A staff member with an IQ > 20 should have torched ’em before they moved into the new building.
Problem solved. I guess Grade 1 really doesn’t “werk”…
It would seem that a cult that refuses to believe in psychiatry has given psychiatry much work to do. Indeed, poor Chris Scully will go stark raving mad sooner rather than later whilst drowning in the paperwork.
And just think. If Hubbard could make normal intelligent individuals believe (nay, “know!”) that he had developed the most sophisticated administrative system ever, what other absurdities did he make them believe? What atrocities did that “knowing” make them commit?
It’s critical, T-Marie. Remember, all those little pieces of paper are people who are no longer in the cult. But, they still must be counted…
It’s the 21st century and an era of mechanism and technology and they’re drowning in paper and file? Aish? as we say in sunny South Africa.
The insanity of LRH’s antiquated filing system is laughable. “Dummy cards for additional deadfiles and deceased folders…” then “New folders for dead files.” The time and resources wasted on just keeping up with the dead files is crazy. Someone needs to convince DM that of all the things he should or shouldn’t be squirrelling, LRH Admin Tech policy on files desperately needs Golden Age of Computer Tech.
I remember reading an old admin policy letter dealing with the treasury post in the org. It said cancelled checks, once returned from the banking institution, were to be taped back onto the check stub in the check register. God I hope that procedure was updated. Talk about antiquated!
Wait, there is still a bank out there that returns cancelled checks? I haven’t seen a cancelled check in at least 10 years (save for a image file of it on my computer screen), Oh sorry i forgot they don’t know how to use them, do they, there’s no slot to put the paper in and the new one’s don’t come with the fancy slide out cup holders. hahaha
Carl, that is still how its done. No new PL, no new system.
By publicly admitting failure – will this person be in trouble?
Oh, you betcha!
Surely something about this should go “ping!” in someone’s brain saying to themselves, and others, “Perhaps ole fart face didn’t have all the answers, after all?”
I remember the first and only time I said to my friend, “Do you think, perhaps, that this was the one thing he got it wrong?”. She didn’t answer and I didn’t go on. I was asking in relation to the chronic failure of class 5 orgs.
It was staring us in the face, was unmissable. Don’t really remember the occasion but we were walking out of some event, I remember that.
who can keep up w the Lies & what not on Comp’s huh guess might be easier to buy a big old shredder or burn it all.
Poor Chris Scully, the Valley Central Files I/C, sounds both personally regretful and at his wits end trying to “make it go right” I wouldn’t want to add to his psychic burden of guilt and disillusionment by making matters worse for him there, but two important points of understanding are screaming to made here:
First, once those central files are fully brought up to PT, it won’t be long until they’re a mess again. Second, all of the time and effort put into getting this antiquated paper file system into order could have been much better spent creating a computerized filing system that dispenses with physical files altogether.
Channeling Elron here: “You WILL come into PT…I repeat, you WILL come into PT, NOW!”
Now, where’s the Duke of Chug and his computer expert minions when a cult really needs them!!?
Harpoona: I wouldn’t be surprised if one of Miscavige’s next big projects is computerizing central files once all the physical paper files have been brought up to “P.T.” Like his other pet projects, I could see this one taking years and years.
Scientology is the only “church” that is less thrilling than working in a call center cubicle.
Why doesn’t David Miscavige dispatch Kirstie Allie, John Travolta, and Kelly Preston to pitch in with the filing work? Oh, yeah, I forgot, although scientologists are superficially equal human entities, there are some who are more equal than others.
Such a waste of time. The purpose of these files is to get new parishioners. I would guess at least 99% of these folks have already made up their minds not to become Scientologists. They take these names, and then write them little hand written letters like ” Hi John, haven’t seen you in a while, hope you’re well. When are we going to see you on course”? These names are so stale-dated that the cobwebs have cobwebs.
My advice is if you want new parishioners, then quit being such gigantic assholes.
I was Valley Org 1977-78. After 3 marriages, 4 name changes and 7-8 moves including 2 different countries, 7 years ago I started hearing from Idiotology. I was barraged with phone calls and mail from here to Florida to England. Last year I thought I convinced them to stop calling me, but was called again last week. On my cell phone. I also received a letter last week, with a return envelope! Four years ago, two Scns drove to my house, a remote location most can’t find given directions. They showed up during my roommates family party. Screaming kids on trampolines, etc. My friends daughter (a never-in with a pushy ex-friend/Scn) ran and hid inside. She thought they were there for her. Another time, a man called and said he was a few miles from my house, and wanted to watch the new DVD with me. I had truthfully told them I had no way to watch it at home[ It took much convincing
A few years ago, one of the people calling me was a man who grew up in a remote hamlet outside Lake Simcoe, Ontario, Canada. A place where my family had a summer home, and where I spent my happiest time. Who here thinks that was a coincidence? I used to. And I really did enjoy talking to him about “home”.
Early on when I was talking to this person, he read a letter I had written about a success. Still on file. Lucky my life was so ordinary back then, there would be nothing of interest to use against me.
I also have a 1974 e-meter (no cords). I saw one on e-bay, but I’m afraid of who might contact me if I did that. Any ideas? Very attractive wooden box! Scientology=the fear that keeps giving.
Send ’em a photo of a smiling Mike Rinder with these words written on it , “with love…. your name… That should do it!
“With love…..your name….and, we know where you live.”
MoreCalifornia – you have to use the SP Tech to get rid of those cock roaches.
Mention the clear cog – “I was reading and watching “THE SECRET” and I went clear – I now see that I was mocking up my reactive mind but can stop it and control it – it is so theta – and the self help book was FREE”.
I also see that I have some entities that are attached to me. I learned from another practice for free on You Tube – you just get in ARC with them and ask them to blow and they leave….I feel like I am at cause over MEST.
And finally – mention that you read the Xenu story on line and would never ever spend hundreds of thousands to fall for that crock of scam.
Then say – SCRAM!
You won’t hear from them again.
BE INSOUCIANT with total knowingness about it too!!
LOL
Thanks Idle Morgue. That’s a lot to remember. What if I just confessed to seeing a therapist, occasionally taking an anti-anxiety medicine, occasionally smoking one too and there’s the small matter of a short stay with the federal government. Let them disseminate all that to the org’s who have my name. Think they’d burn my file?. One can only hope.
I’ve been following this blog since last year, and I’m glad I added my voice, Thousand of us are starting to speak up. Now I did.
I’m a “never-in,” and an avid reader of this blog (Thank you, Mr. Rinder), Underground Bunker, all of the expose’ “blown” ex-Co$ member’s audiobooks, movies, and Leah/Mike’s outstanding A & E Aftermath series – I must apologize for this off-topic comment, but still savoring my Narconon rage-fueled adrenaline rush (my only drug now!) after going on a comment-fest on each of their Youtube “educational” (Propaganda) vids, I wanted to share my humble effort to do something about the Narconon victimizing machine, so I posted varations on this below:
“Beware of Darkness, as George Harrison said. Narconon uses drug information to con you into believing they’re credible and caring-NOT! Narconon is addicted to money, yours, your family’s, or any other desperate relative of the addict. Narconon only views an addict as a dollar sign, not a human being in need of authentic, professional, and caring help instead of bogus scientology “purification rundowns,” fake-psych group processes, drug-infested facilities, and untrained staff recruited from whichever former clients haven’t relapsed. Check first before becoming involved in ANY addiction treatment!”
Thanks again to all ex-Co$ & others here advocating for humanity’s highest & best-just tryin’ to do my bit.
Hang in there John & I also have Zero to do w this group just learning w others but I have known,Loved & Lost too many good ppl stuck in the drug hell & sell there soul for that next fix & loosing there kids it’s sad but to those of U that have found there light,know the hell you sir are what ppl can use sure I can support & feel there pain but I’ve never been in that dark place so what could I say so maybe it could be your calling the Best for that job are the ones who know about it & IMO helping ppl to the bottom line save them shouldn’t be about $$$$ but humankind,Love & kindness so hang in there John keep up the good work…
An excellent point Mike. Real non-profits pay people to maintain their records. Go to any doctor’s office and you’ll see them. Churches also have paid administrative staffs.
Obviously maintaining files as per LRH is not important to DM. Which is further evidence CoS is out-tech and DM is a squirrel.
Oh man, so pathetic. Always enjoy your blog.
I think the world has progressed now, that “backlog filing” just doesn’t register as a “thing”.
When was the last time you heard Google, or Microsoft, or The Mormons, or even the US Government state that they’re “trying to get their filing under control”? That problem was solved decades ago. So much so, that it barely exists in the vernacular.
Yet, with CoS, it just NEVER goes away.
Nor do they seem to consider it odd or even embarrassing, given the number of emails widely circulated.
What’s next? Newspaper ads requesting public donate toilet paper?
So true, I was embarrassed because I didn’t scan and shred Friday’s paperwork before I left for Good Friday but left it til Monday. That, to me, is a backlog.
Scan and Shred – THAT is the way to go nowadays.
Hmm, that’s an interesting tidbit there statpush. So to those still in, it would appear that even the US government is actually much more efficient than the CofS, even with the “most advanced tech” in the history of this planet. The United States federal government…..let that sink in for just a minute….
Exactly. However, you won’t any still-in thinking such critical thoughts.
@Mick…..Just think for a few moments the mad crazy logic behind it all….just WHO in any format of the USA Government is going to SIT THERE and read through all these files. Dead files, live files, files somewhere in between “death and life”….it would take a century to put it all together.
They’d have to figure out if there are additional files on the same people in other locations of COS that contain more information because these people have moved around or HAVE been moved around by COS as punishment.
In essence, thee files could have given birth to MORE files…..what a migraine I’m getting thinking about the never ending paper trail.
Very revealing. They don’t give a rats.ass.about clearing the planet. All they want is more money. Since the staff working there don’t make any money and were there to help, this puts them at cross purposes with the management. It is no wonder the place is falling apart.
“Mo money, mo money, mo money.” That’s what they chant in the mornings…
There chant is now, “file it and they will come, file it and they will come…”
Fling it and it will stick.
File it & they will come plus it will stick when you fling it. Why will it stick? Because it’s all bullSHIT.
And there is nothing to wipe it off with. Such a shitty situation to be “in”
Funny, all of you! 🙂
Sometimes it’s embarrassing to think I was once a dedicated Scientologist
You and all the rest us who have left, IP. Welcome to the club! The day you left was the day you got your old life back. I’ll bet you were one happy camper!
Just sometimes? Consider yourself lucky that you can say sometimes at the start of that sentence. I’ve never said that sentence with sometimes at the start.
Always works for me!
“Making up dummy cards for the additional deadfiled or deceased folders” Just reading that this is something that anyone would even consider doing hurts my brain.
What. A. Colossal. Waste. Of. Time.
On a more humorous note, we always used to joke that my grandma didn’t have files, she had piles, we discovered a lot of treasures there after her death in the 70’s. That’s how I spent my spare time one semester in college, creating files from my deceased grandmother’s piles. It was a humbling experience to discover her life that way.
On the other hand, it is my humble opinion that there are no treasures in the backlogged CFs in the orgs. An accidental fire would be the greatest thing that could happen to them.
Valerie, they’re experts at wasting time. I mean, how long has it been since the Porn Valley Model Idle Morgue started going through the central files? How many YEARS ago?
Valerie, I once had piles, and, boy, did Prep H really help!! O/T, I wonder if auditing could help reduce hemorrhoids?, Maybe you could sit on the can(s) instead of holding them? Any technical experts out there?
“…you could sit on the can(s) instead of holding them?
ROTFLMAO! Whew! Now, that’s some funny shit!
OSD you are really knocking the shit out of the puns today! Tip of the hat good sir 🙂
All in a days work, laddie. All in a days work…
Put the cans IN your can………Hey, it might work as the electricity flowing through the “hand held cans” might cauterize the hemorrhoids……ANYONE wanna try it??
Are we still talking actual, physical files? Not organized on a database but shelves and shelves of actual folders?
They should take some of those “Dummy Cards” and staple them to their own forheads.
*foreheads
Meh. Forheads will do just fine. Or maybe four heads…
Is that you Medusa’s cousin Quatro! – welcome home. Where ya get to? Geezers, you just went out for a 6 pack but that was in 1950!!!!
Badafuco, thanks for the visual of a bunch of scientologists with “dummy” cards stapled to their foreheads. You gave me a good belly laugh.
A “computer bug” and moving supplies (a task which could hardly have come as a surprise!) caused this???
This handy little excuse sounds a lot like “the wog ate my homework.”
Damn wogs! Always eating someone’s homework.
I found that “computer bug” quite funny as well. Poor ole Scully sure is F’ed! I am sure his crime will not go unpunished.
Her? Oops wrong pronoun, that in itself is a dangerous thing these days
Oh geez?
Just cull the current people on services at Valley – all 20 of them – and Dead File the rest. Same difference.
My thoughts exactly. It just stumps me that this staff member is asking her public to come in and do her job. Danger condition much? It speaks volumes.
Holy shit! They actually have that many members? Mary, does that make them one of the biggest Idle Morgues?
“What’s wrong with Scientology?” You have distilled it to a few paragraphs above, and done it so succinctly, Mike. This in a nutshell is what is killing Scientology. LRH wrote that money motivation was at the bottom of the scale. DM has turned it around now to where on HIS scale, money motivation is at the top and auditing pcs and making Clears and OTs and training people is at the bottom. Amazing that the church has turned itself inside out so that all the things Ron warned about in KSW have now come true in spite of his writing KSW. It still happened anyway.
Cindy, I think this is just another example where Hubbard utterly failed to live by the principles he stated. Read anything from the accounts of him keeping cash in shoeboxes in the early days of Scientology, to the stories from the 1960s and 1970s when he had pallets of cash in banks in Europe and messengers shuttling suitcases full of money. Then in the 1970s he ordered the orgs stripped of cash to fill his and managements accounts, and his personal profiteering was the main reason that the IRS revoked Scientology’s tax exemption in 1977.
Probably the main reason that the orgs don’t have adequate funds for operations, other than the fact that many are no longer bringing in enough revenue, are Hubbard’s dictates to send absolutely every last penny possible “uplines” to international management (and, originally, to him), even what that is “unreasonable” and leaves the orgs and their staff destitute – and never to send money the other way, even when a subsidy of operations might seem the rational thing to do.
It seems everything about the way Scientology management operates and hence Scientology is run is a dramatization of their own description of the reactive mind, specifically defined with the R6 bank. Hubbard came up with “look, don’t listen.” For a sane interpretation of Scientology from within that group, that now should be expanded into, “look, don’t listen or read.”
All the bullshit about helping mankind is better expressed as every man for himself at the end of the day, all sheeple excluded!
Recently, I heard a politician say an interesting thing, “you can’t govern from being the opposition.” Oh how juicy it must have been for Miscavige to conclude, “you assume power” (by any and all criminal means available).
All I want for Christmas is Miscavige in a jail cell and I’d consider 2017 to have been a fantastic year!
“MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384
This quote pretty much sums it up.
“DM has turned it around now to where on HIS scale, money motivation is at the top and auditing pcs and making Clears and OTs and training people is at the bottom.”
Absolutely. And if you have any doubt, just listen to Grant Cardone.
What’s wrong with Scientology? It exists. And it’s criminal.
Exactly.
” After 20 years of begging, scratching and trying, using the most advanced administrative techniques ever developed on this planet, you could not get the filing done?”
Mike, I thought the old man found that piece of tech after scouring his whole track and discovering that the Marcabs 80,000 year old superior administrative skills were the reason for their longevity. This all comes back to me in sketchy tidbits from the briefing course tapes about organization …….. which I did in 1976 …..in the land before time……… and before Dave!
Wow, Coop! You were there before time & Dave, back in ’76? Whew! I can just imagine what you saw! Now, I will admit that I’ve been begging & scratching my entire life…
It was actually kind of good times back in the day. Young, dumb and gullible but wishing to make a difference.
Fast forward to Nazi teenage mutant MAAs, IAS status seekers, Dave, managing the ship of fools and the sec checking gulag and everyone along for their case managed trip to eternity and it gets to be quite a scene.
So glad it’s only an occasional glance in the rear view mirror!
I was on staff in Hawai’i, in ’76. It sucked! Everything about being on staff sucked. The only upside was I got to fool around with a couple of the girls from the org. Those were the only good times I had…
It’s hard to believe what I’m seeing. An org is telling a sob story about having failed to achieve its goal, indeed, it is telling that story publicly! That’s a FLUNK! You are responsible for your own condition. You’re supposed to make it go right. You pulled in that computer bug! You have gone into agreement with counter-intention! Scientology isn’t supposed to fail much less admit it has failed.
“So, I’m sure the question you’re asking right now is how long will all that take?”
No, that isn’t the question we are asking! The question we’re asking is, “How the bleep are you going to clear the world when you can’t even keep your bleeping files in order???”
Roger, don’t they fail to achieve their goals on a regular basis? I mean, the CF is nothing but tiny pieces of paper, of people who left decades ago. That’s what I call streamlined…
This is another example of how the internet is Scientology’s worst nightmare but the Cof$ just pulls the covers over its head and pretends the Boogeyman isn’t there. The scam that Scientology is as well known as nicotine is harmful, all thanks to word getting around the net. This filing fiasco has been going on for decades and is unfortunately the only bonding type activity low level Scientologists can engage upon which isn’t about fundraising or doing stupid things like studying the Basics – so sad and extremely pathetic.
Just had an interesting experience listening to a couple of relatives as they spent a little time with us passing through my area on a long international holiday trek. They were from the far side of my marriage connected family and I had only ever briefly met them once, years ago in the US. The subject of Scientology came up all by itself at the dinner table and I just listened. I was stunned actually by the deep concern shown towards the family members still in Scientology. It was so hard for them to see or understand why members of their own family were in such financial difficulties and their siblings were actually in “poverty” with no future other than more Scientology! They were not wealthy people themselves and worked hard all their lives and it genuinely broke their hearts. I didn’t have to correct them on anything really, they saw Scientology as some evil thing that invaded their family and left some of their loved ones in ruins. The Scientology religion as applied creates the most devastating despair along its channels of influence. We joke and jest about it, but we are (unfortunately) veterans of a long and bitter battle to right the wrongs of a Mafia based thinking organisation with an operating front hiding behind the legal veil of religion. Whichever way a relatively sane person views Scientology, it doesn’t take long before the internet begins to shed light on the misery that Scientology is and generates.
I’m all for wiping that slate clean. Mike’s site imo has been the best educational site on the net, especially with a facts first approach without the big stick type of approach which attracts, “shoot first and don’t bother with questions by pseudo experts who abound in cyber space,” lurking on many other sites. The unveiling of Scientology needs a steady but compassionate hand. There’s lots of grief yet to be exposed and experienced about the true workings and motives of Scientology – every single member of it is, “on standby,” for a massive reality and emotional adjustment. – the Cof$ is a crime in present time operation. It’s leader is certifiably insane! Just imagine for a moment… David Miscavige answering questions in deposition…
Very well said! Your visiting relatives represent that unique demographic of folks who’ve never been in, yet know enough of $cn’s evil ways through direct contact with family members who’ve all been adversely affected, or even harmed, by their long involvement in the cult life. They see exactly how it is, not as a result of listening to the second-hand accounts of strangers, but through having many first-hand experiences over time with their own family members.
It’s a very hard position for caring non-$cilon family members to be in as there’s very little positive impact that you can have on them until they’re ready to make a change. Being helpless in the face of their misery, pain and the senseless waste of irretrievably lost years is almost too much to bear. I have a whole lot of admiration and respect for folks who can hang in there, year after, to be there for family members… that kind of unconditional love, loyalty and compassion is exactly what $cn IS NOT!
Within the writings of Scientology Admin Tech, there must be whole volumes written about how to make pathetic, sniveling excuses for rampant failure. At the Hubbard College of Administration International, I imagine there are degree programs in finger-pointing, blame-shifting and dog-ate-my-homework-ism.
Ladies & Gentlemen, Start your finger excercises it is time to Continue to sink in the river made up of Central Files!! Except for the spanking new plastic bins instead of my ” beloved banana boxes ” what has changed? Nothing at all! Still doing the same actions I did when I first dove in in 1974! Mike you are so correct, money first, empty Ideal Orgs second,tied with dms Scientology Shopping Plaza that is really lame,and that ribbon yanking.No wonder the cult is over its head in muck & lies. If Ron said it and wrote it a zillion yrs ago,than that is what the cult follows over the cliff. With many amendments by dm. Thank you Mike.?
Ann B, should we refer to the dwarf as the, Yanker-Wanker-in-Chief? That description seems so appropriate.
Dave,
Why aren’t those body routers at the corners of Burbank and Lankershim and Tujunga not bagging any more suckers than the ones that bailed from the corner of Sunset and Vermont?
And why aren’t those body routers on the corner of Colorado Bl. & Raymond Avenue in Pasadena? When Coop and I were there, no one walked down to that intersection where foot traffic was very heavy? Oh, I know. They’re waiting for the Oat Tees to send thoughts to the people crossing the street to come to the cult. Yeah, that’s got to be it.
I am no longer involved in this cult, er, Religion. But I donated lots of man hours at both Valley Org locations (Sherman Way and the Hazeltine office complex that was tucked away in an Industrial area. I was making up files for anyone EVER who bought ANY BOOK, etc from them. Some of these said invoices/letters were bug ridden as they had been sitting in filing old metal cabinet for years. These files were made up from invoices from the 60’s to present. The people might have lived in an apartment complex on Fairfax Ave and purchased a Dianetics book, or had been sent an OCA- that was it. Yet they are counted as one of the Million or so Scientologists in the Valley. When I asked WHY we were sending them to an apartment when chances are they no longer live there I was told it was POLICY and that whomever did presently live there would benefit from Scientology mailings. These unlucky people’s mailboxes are now being inundated with Scientology Junk Mail.
I bought several books, Bibi. You’re not going to come after me…are you?
300 to 500 man hours of filing? Good luck getting 20 people to volunteer at all, let alone 25 hrs each. That’s pathetic.
That is pathetic! They should each be putting in 50 hours each! Bunch of down stats…
Scientology – a precise science of keeping members spinning around in circles while Scientology picks their pockets and fleeces them dry.
Slappy said the CF were the “mind of the Org”
Could not be truer.
If the CF is the “mind of the Org,” we better get them a psychiatrist pronto!
Circles! Remember the Kiki bird? It flew around in ever diminishing circles, finally to disappear up it’s own fundamental orifice in a puff of blue smoke.
Wow! That must have been some killer stuff you had!
Dude! Stop please, I am trying to enjoy my morning coffee and end up spitting it out all over the place. Every comment today you have me laughing. Your stats are very much up today
“My Lords and Ladies”. Talk about delusional. But yeah, I know, that’s a poor staff member who knows the score and knows that he somehow has to make up shit that will get a few poor souls to pity him and come and help play out the delusion. It’s a rough job both ways. (and apparently even rougher to just wake up).
All yes…the never ending Porn Valley Model Idle Morgue’s central files. I’ll tell what, let’s all take a break & check in with them in 10 years. That should give them enough time to get through the ‘H’ files…
What a waste of effort! Paper files up to the moment will stay that way for a few days maybe, then something will need pulling or filing and it will all start to mile up agsin—or it would if anything was happening.
Things are happening! They shuffle papers, eat & walk around….every single day.
Valley Files In Charge – now there’s an important job for saving humanity…