I guess Quinn Taufer’s brilliant “Affluence Analysis” didn’t really pan out.
They went from a million dollars to $8,500. I would call that straight down and vertical.
But never fear, because Kathy Heard reported that COB remarked “just get Valley done.” So, of course, this is the command they will all follow. They remind me of the robot from Lost In Space but without his ability to say “that does not compute.”
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014
From: Valley Org <[email protected]>
Subject: Valley OTC Minutes, Tuesday, June 24, 2014
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
June 24, 2014
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES Kathy Welch, Kathie Heard, Mary Lee Krackow, Ralph Temps, Mary Ann O’Donnell, Karen Brown, David Nunez, Carol Loweree, Tony Lonstein, Teri Novitsky, Thorburn, Charlene David Wilson, Bonita Wilson, Irad Ron, Hagit Ron, Tamara Dahill, Kevin Dahill, Kathy di Galbo, Dean Glosup, Alicia Kreisberg, Scott Kreisberg, Mark Anderson, Tony Lonstein, Avi Lonstein, Teri Novitsky, John Cumming, Sylvia Cunning, Chuck Jacobs, Terry Morrill, Pete Sokoloff, Annie Sokoloff, Bob Welch, Ofrah Bahat, Dali Bahat, Omer Azmon, Schlomit, Colleen Bigler, Vered Ziv, Avner Golan, Donna Griesen, Jill Halverson, Larry Marshall, Linda Massey, John Massey, Marty Kassowitz, Bobbie Kassowitz, Cyndi Norberg, Vera Seidler, Mark Foster, Kathy Foster, Jake Welch, Diane McPhee, Patty Riemer, Ray Loomis, Bonnie Krumpe, John McQuilling, Jeanette Douglass, Kevin O’Donnell, Donna Griesen, John Larocca, Alan Gilbertson, Nola Aronson, Ben Ghiora,
Quinn Taufer, Valley Ideal Org project I/C opened the meeting at AOLA.
He then read the purpose of the OT Central Committee and data from HCOPL 9 Mar 65 RA Field Auditors Become Staff. “Civilization is successful only because it is a team.”
Claire Taylor OT Ambassador I/C Los Angeles announced “LA United” data from MV25 last week.
Kathy Welch, Bonita Wilson and Kathie Heard, representatives from Valley Org OTC all gave highlights from their trip to MV25 and wins regarding support and alignment of our OTC activities from Int Management, CLO and other OTCs in the Los Angeles area.
Kathie Heard reported that COB remarked “just get Valley done.”
CO CMO PAC Base briefed us on OT Ambassadors being hand selected for MV25 for their production on the Ideal Org project. She covered some tactical plans re: Valley. Then she had us all read and get a check-out on the new OT Ambassador Program. West US has 25 buildings. 15 are purchased and only 10 left to complete.
CO CLO WUS Vicki Shantz briefed us on getting Valley Ideal Org fundraising done. She read definition of Compliance Report from Management Tools PL.
A video from Nancy C (on the Freewinds) was presented in which she announced our new $4 million MATCH GAME!!! Target to complete is July 10th!
David and Bonita Wilson gave their wins on becoming Valley Org’s newest “NEW CIVILIZATION BUILDERS!” Triple WOW!
Continental Finance Director Austin Nickels and Quinn Taufer built the Org Board for fundraising and presented the In Charge terminals.
Kathie Heard is Overall I/C
Kathy Welch is Humanitarians I/C
Carol Espinoza is CC OTC I/C
Mary Elizabeth and Dean Glosup are Premiere Benefactors I/C
Susan Jacobs and Nancy Parodi are the I/C’s for Alumni
Then all the I/C terminals selected their helpers from all the OTC members present and setup production actions and schedules.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Up from 58 to 59
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – $8,492.75
Division 4 – Kathy Welch for Tamara Dahill
# of Volunteer Hours – Down from 284.75 to 256
# of all GAT2 starts – Down from 7 to 5
# of Events & Briefings Held – Up from 0 to 2
# of Books Sold – Even at 1
# of Pre-OTs onto their next step – 0
# of Clears onto their next step – Up from 0 to 1
Division 5 – Kathy Welch
# of Route to Knowledge starts – 0
Division 6 – Kathy Welch for Joan Roeschke
Meeting Attendance – Even at 29. New target is 75!
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Reminder: Vered Ziv announced the next OTC dinner: Friday June 27th at David and Bonita Wilson’s at 6:30pm
Reminder: Mary Elizabeth Glosup: come to the Humanitarian meetings Sundays noon here at Valley Org.
“Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.”
Congratulations, Mike! When did you become a member of the Valley OT Committee? Well done!
Maybe you can put in a word with them to fund an Indie org ……but never mind, Indie groups only solicit contributions in exchange for services delivered, as per LRH policy.
And the check is in the mail.
Chuck – I had the same thought about what you said in the last paragraph. An OTC member “heard” COB made the remark to “just get Valley done”. She wasn’t actually present. Isn’t that called hearsay?
Then on top of it, it becomes fact and an order from COB. The OTC members are validated now that what they are doing is indeed vitally important. Because someone “heard” that COB said something about it.
All I wanna do is see Dave done, I got a feeling I’m not the only one.
I think that agreement with the current RCS insanity has been accomplished on a slow gradient. To illustrate, a New Yorker told me a story once about her city’s Central Park. Its a large lovely park in the center of Manhattan. This old-time New Yorker told me that in her youth, in the ’30s and 40’s, before air conditioning became prevalent, whole families would sleep in the park in the summertime. The park was totally safe for anyone then at any hour of the day or nite, in all seasons, all weathers. In the ’50s gangs started hanging out in the park wee morning hours so the majority stopped going there after midnite. Little by little over the decades the law abiding citizenry of Manhattan went into agreement that the park was not fully “owned” by them, and conceded more and more of their own “ownership” to the criminals, the dangerous, the crazy, etc. Little by little the agreement took stronger and stronger hold, that only on certain days and/or at certain times, did the law abiding citizenry belong in this park, and if they “violated” this agreement then they were simply “asking for trouble” and “deserved whatever they got” for being there at the wrong times. This all happened on a slow gradient, this agreement, and when you think about it, its really crazy. Yet very few New Yorkers today would think it crazy, while the ’30s and ’40s New Yorkers would be amazed.
Keep in mind that most of these OT committee members are not staff. They are the namby pamby public who would come into the HGC and demand service. They were not here on the same terms as the rest of us, then or now.
Since they had money, they didn’t have to learn “the tech” very much beyond learning to solo audit. They had the means to “go OT” while the majority of people serving them never would.
Yes, it was their money that supported the rest of us, but they were never true members of the group. While staff starved and lived in communal houses, these elite would come in and complain about the mest.
So now they assemble, sit around, and pretend to be helping. The only tech they ever learned was making money. Scientologists were usually someone they could hire at less than the going rate. Their “stats” pretty much tell the tale.
Quinn Taufer and others who have learned how to speak in the acceptable COB-hype-speak, have found their new Scientology movement voices!
It’s all monkey see monkey do, really. This is the new Scientology, and all these excellent up to date emails are just excellent keeping on top of Scientology as it goes forward.
Some like Taufer really just mirror COB’s speech, to the local acceptable degree.
The desire to get COB to comment on one’s local area problem or goal, is a great coup, I even saw once the ASI Receptionist similarly try to draw from visiting COB one day, telling COB some woe the Receptionist had, so that COB might comment that that woe ought be “handled.”
People looking up to these authority visits by COB, will have that inclination to ask for COB’s reaction to something they are working on, and then take COB’s comment as their prized order to gloriously go making everyone aware that COB wants that thing done!
An org board for fundraising? Clear the definition of Compliance Report??
What a joke the current C of S has become.
The only reason those are still in the OTC is to make money. For Ideal whatever but main purpose for themselves as commission. (And they do not care to make someone broke.) Looks like this is the only reason Scientology is still somehow around.
ROFL!
They seem to be confusing wins with fails…still
Cowed and ill associates. Destroying lives. Sounds more like a Necromancer than a Scientologist. Let’s hope he’s prepping for a one way trip to the Underverse.
SILVIA, “But never, never one would have expected to lower their ‘ethics presence’ to then become beggars by asking the public to collect money.
I tell you, this is so, so degrading: the amount of suppression has completely distorted purposes, staff and public alike. Nothing worth left there to be thankful or proud of.”
— right on the button!
I’m speechless, church of scientology has become a group of Pompous Criminals. I can hardly believe it when I’m happy hearing about one of them jumping off a building or something, but I am.
It’s funny, Scientology has this red tagged 4th dynamic scene that’s been going on for years now and they don’t even see it. The problem is not; not enough plush buildings, the problem is a major ARC break with the entire planet. Fire’s burning away and keeps growing, and instead of noticing it and possibly trying to contain it, they just keep pouring very flammable fuel on top of it. So I guess I have only one piece of advice for them…. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I’m sorry, but I thought I’d throw in all those exclamation points as the enlightened ones have such an affinity for that symbol).
Yeah well it still seems they are too busy repainting and polishing that “firetruck” Ron talks about in RJ 67 while the planet is burning down.
Love the public “Reminder” for Mary Elizabeth Glosup to report in on Sundays at noon at the very end. She’s a very dedicated public who’s been working hard for the Valley Org for years now. Why the need to publicly shame her into it in a broad email? How obnoxious. Still the same crappy, bossy attitudes at work. Nothing changes.
Come on pepper, just admit you miss it
I sure do.
“…briefed us on getting Valley Ideal Org fundraising done. She read definition of Compliance Report from Management Tools PL.”
COMPLY!
GIMME YOUR MONEY!! YOU ALL SCOHB!!!
What a pleasure to read about it, instead of actually having to be there 😀
Yes, distance is a marvelous thing.
COB says get Valley done.
To Valley: Get a Large piece of cardboard from supermarket ( FREE)
Barrow a Flow Pen (pretend your a helpless bum, promise to return it, also free)
Write:,OPEN FOR BUSINESS on cardboard, place at front door of Valley Org.
Take picture and send to COB
START !!!!!!
(pocket the millions, party in Las Vegas, purchase expensive cars, drive around with topless hookers, the COB won’t notice anything out of the ordinary)
“Just get Valley done.”
Gotta love he who says he is not involved in day to day management “management” skills.
The guy seems to epitomize the cluelessness of so called “Scientology Management” or what’s left of barking unreal orders from the far away fairy tale world of the Magic Kingdom and expecting everyone just to “comply”.
Sorta like “move that mountain” or “build that “‘Ideal’ org”.
Wonder if they’ll get a chance to say “Done sir” or just collapse from the humongous failed purpose.
I’m betting on the latter.
I mean if you include what was formerly KCET studios. You’re looking at a lot of real estate that hasn’t renovated up to the arbitrary “‘Ideal’ Org” standards that these “OTs” seem to be hallucinatory case over.
Since I mentioned KCET there’s Bart Simpson’s alter ego doing a pledge drive challenge of matching four million bucks. I figure Nancy’s money’s pretty safe from what I’ve seen of the GI stat.
Besides we’re talking about the same group of morons who managed to sell one book.
Personally I suspect that the so called book “seller” bought the book themselves and gave it to somebody.
Moving on.
Zero starts.
Just shows you how popular GAT II really is. Probably ranked right up there with going to the dentist or getting a tax audit.
Valley of the Dulls is right.
Kathie Heard reported that COB remarked “just get Valley done.”
I don’t know about anyone else, but that remark comes across as 2.0 – antagonism to me. “just get Valley done” you slugs! And that’s an order.
LA is making COB look bad because we public just can’t get Valley done, and it’s been an inordinate amount of time that Valley is still not “done”. LA is supposed to have one of the largest concentration of Scientologists on the planet. Oops.
Pepper,
Actually Miscavige has a innate ability to make himself look bad.
Just watch him sparring with Ted on Nightline back in the early ’90’s or try reading some of the idiotic gibberish he issues as a “eval” or RTC Bulletin.
OMG.
Like having Elmer Fudd as an ecclesiastical “leader”.
His ability to commit Character Suicide is the only part of his “leadership” that I don’t contribute to a power push or conspiracy.
I wish I had some of things he’d written which I unfortunately trashed at the first opportunity or duly noted down some of the idiotic things he’s said in public.
Maybe someone should issue something like “David Miscavige in his Own Words”.
This little blurb is typical of the little man.
He comes off like a Nike commercial (that is until Heaven’s Gate put an end to their “Just Do It” campaign) “just get Valley done”.
Yeah right?
Whaaaateeeever.
No advice or guidance of any kind though they should consider themselves lucky that the Moron Monarch didn’t give them any.
But still.
Read this definition of an implant and see if it relates to Miscavige’s op basis:
“A painful and forceful means of overwhelming a being with artificial purpose or false concepts in a malicious attempt to control and suppress him.”
MJ – your link of the implant definition to Miscavige’s op basis sounds good. Really, when you think about all the money he has at his disposal to “just get Valley done” and the OTC folks who listen to this hearsay and think they have to run with it.
Dave’s a real piece of work.
remoteviewed – you made me think of something.
Back when I was ‘in’, I never really paid too much attention to Miscavige. He wasn’t someone I had on my radar. I thought of Int Management as an functioning entity; not the church as basically being run totalitarian style by one guy (Miscavige). Plus I was busy with my personal life and getting my training and auditing done as well, pretty much like anybody else.
Little by little that began to change for me. I noticed how the Events changed and you no longer saw ED Int or the President of the CoS, etc. Where have they gone?, I would wonder. Miscavige became front and center and it was all COB this and COB that. This troubled me.
The “Wake-Up Call” letter immediately following 9-11 was another aspect of the beginning of the wake-up call for me in terms of my viewpoint of Miscavige. I thought that letter was arrogant, condescending and showed contempt for the parishioners. I began to see how Int Management = David Miscavige really sees their public. I cannot imagine LRH writing such a letter to his public like that one.
I also saw the focus going off training and auditing, which the Events were supposed to inspire you to do, to Ideal Orgs and fundraising. I remember the CO CMO, Vicky Shantz standing up on stage at PAC Events flippantly saying, “Write a Check”. I thought that demeaned her and was offensive to the public. Let’s not forget the Tom Cruise video and medal speech where he openly worships DM. This communicated to the public that they were supposed to as well now.
There’s so many other things I could say about this but don’t want to make it long. It takes time for the average parishioner time to come to their own conclusions about Miscavige. At least the Internet is helping there by providing plenty of info from ex Sea Org members who worked closely with him.
What is the COB’s endgame? Does he have a “exit plan” that secret him away and allow him access to the billions in off-shore accounts? Will he fold up the “church” and disappear or hand over the reins to someone else first? Surely, a plan has been drawn up that provides him with a “route out.”
Who cares?
https://www.mikerindersblog.org/david-miscaviges-cowed-and-ill-associates/
L. Ron Hubbard discussed at some length the characteristics of a Suppressive Person or Anti-Social Personality. Way back in 1953 he wrote PAB 13 On Human Behavior which was a precursor to so much that he would codify in the mid 1960’s. It is interesting to read what other scholars of human behavior have to say on the subject, particularly clinical psychologist Martha Stout in her widely recognized book The Sociopath Next Door. Their observations very similar – and yet from such different backgrounds – confirming the accuracy of the observations.
For this posting, I focus on one of the identifying characteristics of the Anti-Social Personality described in HCOPL 1966 THE ANTI-SOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST. I did a related post some time ago entitled On David Miscavige’s Behavior.
5. Surrounding such a personality we find cowed or ill associates or friends who, when not driven actually insane, are yet behaving in a crippled manner in life, failing, not succeeding.
I was reminded of this by the recent brouhaha concerning the well-being and whereabouts of Shelly Miscavige.
I don’t doubt that Shelly is not in personal physical danger. But, this once very public figure, who was at her husband’s side literally 24 hours a day, at every meeting, every event, every photo opportunity (he did not travel or appear in public without her) has been “disappeared.” She now “speaks” through lawyers. She is hidden from public view. She has become another of his cowed associates. Hidden (or hiding) and unable or unwilling to speak for herself.
But if his wife is now “vanished” what of his closest associates? \
Miscavige used to appear in public (at his “international events”) with Heber Jentzsch, Ray Mithoff, Norman Starkey, Guillaume Lesevre, Marc Yager and others who were prominent and long-term church officials. In fact, up until about 2005, Miscavige served the role of “MC” to introduce the other speakers. He hated that. It was a role HE chose to perform, but he would often bitterly complain that he was lending his credibility to people who were beneath his station in life. And gradually he began eliminating everyone else from these events.
Today, an emaciated and sick looking Guillaume Lesevre is trotted out once a year to present the Birthday Game awards (Miscavige considers this is very much beneath him – he REFUSES to do it, especially the indignity of having to present something to a Mission). Guillaume is otherwise in hiding (or more correctly, is hidden). Though if you ask the church, he is still “Executive Direction International” (which is the HIGHEST Management position in Scientology).
Heber Jentzsch has appeared in public once in the last few years when he was shamed into attending the funeral of his only child. He was brought in by “handlers,” stayed the minimum amount of time and was then whisked away. Heber for many years was the public face of Scientology and has always been the main contact point between Scientology and other religions. As the church has become more and more insular and removed from any interfaith activities, nobody has taken his place. As a result, an increasing number of scholars are questioning the legitimacy of the church.
Ray Mithoff, the supposed “Senior C/S International” has not been seen in public for YEARS. If you ask the church, they would probably still identify him as “Senior C/S Int” even though he was removed from post and put in the Hole by Miscavige a decade or so ago. But there is no other Snr C/S Int. With Miscavige announcing the “greatest technical advances in the history of Scientology” — GAT II and Super Power – where IS Snr C/S Int? Nobody notices the oddity that the Senior Technical terminal in Scientology is NOWHERE to be seen in all of this technical innovation? Miscavige is bringing in C/Ses from every org in the world. And no Senior C/S Int. Note that Ray Mithoff IS a Class XII C/S and WAS L. Ron Hubbard’s last auditor. Cannot say the same for Miscavige.
Marc Yager, the last known WDC Chairman and CO CMO Int has not been sighted in at least 5 years. Another person who was personally trained by L. Ron Hubbard on church management and evaluation. Hidden or in hiding.
The last outing for Norman Starkey was Tom Cruise’s wedding to Katie Holmes in 2006 where he got drunk and hit on Brooke Shields… Starkey was Executor of L. Ron Hubbard’s Estate. He was the head of Author Services. And now he is another of the invisible men.
The long term head of the IAS, Janet McLaughlin was removed by Miscavige in 2006, put in the Hole and eventually left the Sea Org. Nobody has taken her place. There is no “Message from the President IASA” in Impact magazine any more.
Russ Bellin, the head of Church of Spiritual Technology was put in the Hole by Miscavige in 2006 also. He was the person who had authority to take away RTC’s power. Instead he went into the Hole and has disappeared. He tried to blow in 2007 but was caught before he could get away. Last know to be the “Int Finance Director” in CSI – a meaningless post these days as all financial decisions are made by Miscavige. Bellin is a glorified accountancy admin.
No sector of Scientology has been spared the “disappearing act” of Miscavige. Rena Weinberg and Laurie Zurn, the two long term stable terminals and faces of ABLE were disappeared into the Hole and have never resurfaced. Today, there is no recognizable figure in the ABLE sector other than Alfreddie Johnson, the Baptist Minister and Nation of Islam go to guy.
And of course, Tommy and Jessica Davis blew the Sea Org after being directly on Miscavige’s lines for a few years. Now hiding. So too his chief hatchetwoman and former “WDC Ideal Orgs” Angie Blankenship. And former WDC WISE Greg Hughes. And Debbie Cook. And let’s not forget Marty Rathbun, Amy Scobee, Claire Headley, Marc Headley, JB, Jeff Hawkins, me and many, many others.
The list goes on.
These associates are certainly cowed. Guillaume LOOKS ill. The others are entirely invisible.
And what of Miscavige’s immediate family?
Of course, Shelly is now a nonperson.
His mother, Loretta, who he loudly scorned behind her back, died some years ago.
His mother-in-law committed suicide after she was targeted for going to David Mayo’s group.
His father in law is deceased.
His brother (Ronnie) and sister-in-law (Bitty) left the Sea Org in 2000 after being unwilling to put up with his abuses. Miscavige told his brother if he would remain in the Sea Org and divorce his wife and let her leave would give her $100,000 (his brother refused).
Their daughter, Jenna, wrote a best-selling book about life in the Sea Org and with “Uncle Dave” and it was not pretty. She is not cowed or ill – she got away and spoke her mind!
His father, Ron, and his wife Becky blew the Sea Org a couple of years ago. He is in his mid-70’s and has no money, no health insurance and no realistic job prospects. Of course, his son who has virtually unlimited resources is not about to help him.
Miscavige’s twin sister Denise was recently arrested for marijuana possession.
The ONLY person in his immediate family that appears not to have run away from him and everything he stands for is his younger sister Lori.
So, why doesn’t anyone question this? Or even notice?
They are afraid to look. They are afraid to question for fear they will be sec checked, “lose their eternity,” (cannot really take that away….), lose their loved ones, job or friends. And this is part of it. But Martha Stout makes another observation after 40 years of studying sociopaths in society. She pegs the sociopath (a person with no conscience) as 4% of the population. She notes the fact that the 96% of people with a conscience find it extremely difficult to believe that a sociopath can do the things they do as it would be unthinkable to them. This is “Suppressive Reasonableness” in Hubbard’s terms.
Unless the actions of a psychopath have direct and dire consequences on you, most people are incapable of understanding the depths to which the anti-social personality will sink, destroying people around them with a charming smile on their face.
They hide in plain sight. Daring people to believe their own eyes and knowing that the vast majority will never question them or their actions.
The really crazy thing is that Scientologists are supposed to be the experts on human behavior. And they have certainly studied a LOT more about the subject of sociopaths/anti-social personalities than the average man on the street. And they are SUPPOSED to become more and more able to think for themselves.
Like the sociopath psychiatrist in Stout’s book who fooled people for 30 years – including her peers, arguably well educated on the subject of sociopathic personalities – the leader of a church in fact has a unique position of authority from which to carry out destruction while convincing those around him that he is in fact acting in their best interests and doing a wonderful job of it.
Sooner or later, when enough havoc has been wreaked, even the blind see the light.
Thanks Cat Daddy for the great comment.
Norman Starkey appeared on Anderson Cooper’s “Scientology: A History of Violence”, a few years ago. If that was him then he was probably still working on delivering that “effective blow to the enemy of the group”. In other words, his Liability Formula.
This blew me away when I read it, I was new here. Mike I think you should repost this once a month for those newbies and other lurkers. Very powerful indeed.
I for one am completely unreasonable when it comes to folks like Heber, Yager, LeSevre, Mithoff, Starkey, etc. I am in fact HONORING them by recognizing them as cause (see LRH def responsibility). Working for an SP, a psychopath? Ha ha. Didn’t EVERY FREAKING ONE OF THEM attest (many times no doubt) that they could recognize and handle sources of suppression? Didn’t ANY of them attest to freedom from overwhelm, ability to confront, etc etc etc. Didn’t they EACH agree to the LRH datum that when you know the tech of something (like PTS tech) that you cannot be the effect of it? All of these so called “OTs” have failed miserably to apply what THEY themselves attested to and claimed to be able to do for over four decades. They are TONS more responsible for the condition of Scientology than Miscavige. Because when one studies a subject like Scientology, one learns to EXPECT insanity and suppressives to appear. It is what to do WHEN you encounter these people that is the real “rubber meets the road” moment. No doubt the basic fault lies in the Scientology admin system itself, but the above individuals (and many more) are the ones that LET IT HAPPEN. They have made their own prisons. Tough, ain’t it?
Thanks, Cat Daddy, for re-posting. I read this the first time, re-read it again today. Powerful as ever.
Mike, I agree that this would be good to re-post periodically. Those who drop in may have missed much of this information.
Joe Pendleton, I understand your frustration and annoyance with the named associates who let this happen and never stood up nor even effectively got themselves away. I have to admit, I am very disappointed with these people and others, some of whom I cherished as friends and respected as intelligent, independent thinkers, well-educated and well-trained. It is baffling to me that they would go along with the craziness.
I still have some hope, though, and maybe from all this we will all have learned a lot. My personal understanding of anti-social personalities (sociopaths, psychopaths, Mob mentality, evolution of tyrannies) has certainly evolved. I hope I would be less susceptible having observed that EVEN IN SCIENTOLOGY this could happen.
There was a time I would have thought a Scientology-based world would be a wonderful step forward for Mankind. Today, I see that in its present form it would become just another nightmare – the same kind of nightmare that are brought by Sharia law and jihadist mentality.
Thar you go… obnosing the obvious in a way that a lot of people (including myself) missed over the years.
Also former WDC Greg Hughes and his wife Debbie have started a business in Glendale CA. I think they are doing well outside the Int Base. Along with their children who’ve all left too. They might be considered “lucky” in that sense.
Excellent article Cat Daddy and Mike! It is worth reposting every now and then for newbies to read, about all the associates and close to DM people who are disappeared, broken sick, or dead.
And my total admiration to Jenna Miscavige Hill for breaking away and shouting the truth from the rooftops. I am perplexed that his dad, Ronnie Miscavige, hasn’t written a book or at least a coming out story. I got news that he had contacted an Indie auditing group in ID. Although he hasn’t received services from them that I know of yet, just the fact that he checked it out is good news. So please, Ronnie, as father of DM, you have so much insight and incidents you could write about to help shed light and hopefully stop the suppression. If he wrote a book, he would at least get income from it which would help him, I’m sure. But the main reason he would do it, of course, is to stop a sociopath from harming others.
Kinda reminds me of the good ol’ days where we were getting bombarded with so much to do (and jobs of others to do on top of that), and it was a physical impossibility to get it all done by the assigned dates, that we could never guess what needed to be done first! It was insanity.
So when His Highness & Mightiness said “Do ______!!” It was a relief to have some direction amidst all the royally-generated confusion. Of course before we finished “______” it would change to something else, but still, we had Direction!
“Just get Valley done…” Yeah, right. ON it, boss!
“Just get Valley done…” translates to “Get me my god damn money, you fuck ups.”
People, people, calm yourselves. This issue of difficulty with Command Intention is known and understood by all-caring and wise COB who is right now working his guts out 24/7 on GAT III which will eliminate all drama and confusion regarding His orders. The Golden Age of Administration will take the guess-work for everyone out of compliance to Command Intention, and you shall rest easy knowing that you will NEVER be called a CICS who SCOHB by your Ecclesiastical Leader.
Understandably pathetic stats. Come on OT ambassadors you can SEE the writing on the ideal walls now read, understand and STOP supporting the lies!
“CO CLO WUS Vicki Shantz briefed us on getting Valley Ideal Org fundraising done. She read definition of Compliance Report from Management Tools PL.”
This is the kind of crap that got me riled. Compliance report policy?
All they have is the willingness of whoever is left. Compliance reports is for Flag Reps and SO members. Not the OTC.
The rebels among us hear this “compliance” garbage and bristle instantly.
Stick your CR where the sun don’t shine.
Subreption,
I can understand your BPC on CRs which after the Junta took over looked like they were written by a mental defect who had no idea of what the actual scene was.
Like put in a three division div 6 when the only personnel you had in div 6 was a Basic Courses Supe, a part time bookseller and a test evaluator.
As if these idiots had never heard of never mind read Org Program #1.
Or one I had at AO once while I was auditing this PC who had a few objectives run back in the late ’50’s. No dianetics, no R6EW or CC but they wanted this guy attested to Clear and onto his OT Levels by the end of the week delivered by the CO’s Comm.
Yeah like that was going to happen.
Like when the FAA approved Porky’s pilot’s license.
+1
I am super bristled right now Subreption! They should do a number of bristled people stat, now that would be a very high stat.
# of extension course students based on extrapolations from earlier trends. Highest ever!!!
Mike, The “Affluence Analysis” link in your message is broken.
My bad. Fixed now.
That list of meeting attendees is 60-some long. I don’t believe for a minute that more than 60 people showed up for this crapfest, unless they word-cleared “attendee,” and found out that it means all the people who’s names they can vaguely remember.
So get all these people together, and what do you waste their time with?
“CO CLO WUS Vicki Shantz briefed us on [blah blah blah]. She read definition of Compliance Report from Management Tools PL.”
Wait! Further down it says meeting attendance = 29! What is going on here?!?
I figure 29 were OTC members and the other 31 were probably Pac Security and OSA bots 😉
Looks like the 29 is from the minutes for the last meeting, not the one that just happened.
Is Peter Shantz still around?
I see Tony Lonstein’s name is listed twice. Do people normally come twice to the same meeting? That’s how they’ll get to 75 attendees – voila!
LOL!
The new meeting attendance target is 75, when they have 59 members. I guess impossible numbers is all they know. No, let’s not go for something we can do. It’s not Scientology unless it is unachievable. What mere mortals think is impossible is just another day at the office for Homo Novus!
Never say no or can’t, that would block success!
Don’t forget…..these guys will count anything as a “member” to push their stat. What percentage of members haven’t been to a meeting….don’t know they are being counted as a member….are alive!!!
One book sold means they are doing good at keeping new people from joining the church. Less unsuspecting innocents will be harmed. OK, Valley folks, let’s see you get that stat to zero next week. You can do it. Go for it. Hip hip hooray.
Ron is so proud of you all for making his tech completely unavailable. Take a group win in your empty buildings.
The link https://www.mikerindersblog.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=18603&action=edit gives me a web page where I have to enter a user account – probably Mike’s. 😛
Fixed
I remember a lecture in which Ron talks about a person trying to make a car veer to the left but the driver refusing to tell the steering wheel. Well, this guys just refuse to look at the road, period!
Why do they still send out minutes? Is it because they need to keep pressuring their members to stay on board and contribute to production, and they don’t consider the collateral damage of under the radars reading them here in context?
My guess SD, is that these minutes go “up lines” and they want to assure the powers that be that they are actually doing something.
You can compare it to earlier religions efforts to ward off the wrath of God or whatever.
I mean most of these people on the OTC know that they will have to atone for their “sin” of not being actively “involved” in destroying the subject er……I mean forwarding what lunatic in charge says is “LRH’s Intention” by being endlessly sec checked on what they call “eligibility” and put on an “eligibility program” that could take several life times to complete.
I laugh every time I read the preamble warning that these minutes are not to be forwarded or seen by anyone but the OTC … and then we see them posted here on the fringes of the internet for all the Special People and ex-Scns to see. Where’s the leak, Davie?
I got the biggest laugh out of “Meeting Attendance – Even at 29. New target is 75!”
I missed it earlier ……………….the OTCers spent 256 hours and managed to sell one frickin book? Now that is auguring in for a great stat. 256 hours to sell a book. That is a person working a full time 40 hour week for 6.4 weeks just to get one book sold. ” Holy Tanked Book Sales Batman, someone needs some hatting and fast! ”
Q. How many hours to give one away? (These days you would have to club a public to get them to take one which could result in a three year prison sentence for battery.)
A. 1095 or 156 weeks! just sayin…………..
Now, she says: “wins regarding support and alignment of our OTC activities from Int Management” Really? Who at Int Management? Probably the Landlord and Finance terminals, I guess.
Also, how come CO CMO is so low on the Org Board briefing OTC Members (who belong at Div 6 in the Org Bd) about fundraising? CMO allegedly represents LRH and is there to ensure his Policies get implemented and used correctly, among other things. But never, never one would have expected to lower their ‘ethics presence’ to then become beggars by asking the public to collect money.
I tell you, this is so, so degrading: the amount of suppression has completely distorted purposes, staff and public alike. Nothing worth left there to be thankful or proud of.
Correction Silvia, CO Cash management Org is there to implement Dear Leaders policies
and Orders first and foremost. “It puts the money in the basket or it gets the
hose!!!”
Greatest. Comment. Ever. It’s not a stretch at all to imagine COB looking into his special mirror before walking on stage and declaring “I’d f*ck me!”, while the ass kissers of the week nod enthusiastically. That made me week.
Silvia, CMO no longer means Comodore Messenger Org. It now means Cob Messenger Org. You are behind the times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:))
I thought it stood for Close My Org.
Well said Sylvia!
“West US has 25 buildings. 15 are purchased and only 10 left to complete.”
The ten left to complete at say10 million apiece equates to a cool $100,000,000.00 needed to “just get them done”. It has been ten years since this Idle Morgue folly began and the progress has slowed to less than a crawl. The gasping and wheezing noises emanating from the OTC meetings every time a quota is mentioned by Quinn must be something to behold. I can only imagine that everyone is not only broke but deeply in debt save for a few whales circling the room. And so they play the match game to try and shame the broke and broken into at least helping out a little. What a bunch of losers the OTC is comprised of.
When the matches cannot be met you know the vultures will extract the pledge amount even if it has to be secretly met from COBs pockets. Never leave a whales money on the counter.
Yo Dave,
And who the hell is still leaking the super secret OTC meeting minutes to the loser SPs on the fringes of the internet who also manage to out create your loser cult in hits (that would not be the fist kind which I hear you are familiar with) by a three to one margin. Dammit, will you pahleeeze get your act together…………I mean don’t you have an image to keep up here? It’s becoming disgraceful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good news! Book sales holding steady at one! One book. Let that sink in.
Someone does not know that the original LRH books are all free on the internet .
Hey MJ, re “the blind leading the blind”…. methinks dear leader went blind from doing too much of that stuff that is supposed to make you go blind,
He’s certainly had a hand in it. 😉
Love the paranoid opening about forwarding the email.
A “team” from the ideal org project in LA visited Austin once. In a conversation with one of them, she casually mentioned that the grand plan was for an ideal org for every 500,000 population. So once we finished Austin, it would be our duty to carry on with another for Austin (1M pop) then 2 for San Antonio, etc., etc. That would mean 10 in Houston where there isn’t even an org at all, I realized it was a never ending program totally out of touch with reality. I was only beginning to wake up then.
Yvonne, Yes, Miscavige’s theory was that an Ideal Org would boom the area and seed it with all sorts of missions and activities, which would then grow to become Ideal orgs in their own right, and so on. If it wasn’t an outright scam from the get go, then its right up there with one of the stupidest plans ever conceived of.
Like Dave said, “The blind have been leading the blind.”
Not to mention the fact that in about 2005 or so Miscavige was claiming that all existing orgs would be Ideal by 2010 and their ability to seed the around them with new activities would have, by then, resulted in the creation of one brand new Ideal org per week (not pre-existing orgs now becoming Ideal, but entirely new never before in existence Ideal orgs as a result of the field generation activity of the pre-existing orgs that had become Ideal). LOLOLOLOLOL ad infinitum. He said this in some confidential briefing at the time, and even then it sounded hallucinatory beyond belief.
Yvonne,
You got it. I’s the endless Ponzi scheme!
Greta
Wish you could wake up Salila Travers.
The Quinn-tessence of folly. Here’s a song for all the valley girls (and boys):
Down in the valley,
The stats are so low
Begging and pleading,
With nothing to show
Davey loves money,
And falsified stats,
Ethics is waiting
You better have cash
Down in the valley,
The stats are so low
The org is all empty
So many have blown
Check out the web dear,
The angry emails
Watch as your leader
Ends up in jail
Hear the wind blow, dear,
Hear the wind blow;
Hang your head over,
Hear the wind blow
Ohh gosh…
Holy Stromboli!!
59 Active members.
1 Book sold
5 GAG II Starts
No wonder they’re so hog wild to raise $10 million for either a new building or renovating the current one…I can’t keep track. But it doesn’t take a finance major to realize,leasing space makes much more sense. With $10 million, they could lease space at $10,000/month for the next 100 years. Even if you double the rent, you could go 50 years. Of course, COB will be off to target two within 50 years, so perhaps we could just cut through the crap and make the check payable to David Miscaviage…right?
Great post title, Mike! LOL