Somehow the only pronouncements that come out of Valley Org come from these two — and they are the “OT Committee”…
Surely, it is the job of the STAFF to board up the org? Are there actually no staff left?
The staff of the org have nothing to do right now. Whey aren’t they boarding the place up?
Virtually every ideal org that has had staff “ringers” For the ribbon yanking day — either temporarily sent from other orgs to make it appear they had at least a minimum number complement supervisors, or “wog recruits” who were promised a “livable wage” in the weeks leading up to the event or Sea Org members sent there as punishment.
These orgs present an appearance of having a staff on the day of the Open House. The following day the staff from other orgs leave. The new recruits begin disappearing after their first paycheck (unless they’ve been brought in from out of the country and have no way of getting home) and exodus grows as the weeks go by. The SO members usually last the longest. There are still some manning Orlando.
But the fact is, these “ideal orgs” are literally shells. They don’t have real “orgs” just an address and a structure. It’s a big fail.
Even the mighty Valley, the largest ideal org on the planet, seems to have no staff…
Some people have referred to Van Nuys as “the armpit of CA”. It isn’t as bad as Watts or Compton for sure, but it isn’t very upscale either.
So the IAS has billions of $$ in extorted money to “protect the Scientology religion” but they have to beg for volunteers to actually protect their empty religious buildings?!
What gushing nonsense! So Mary Elizabeth needed help boarding up the windows of that useless place and a few people helped do that and a few others provided food. Ok, very nice, but this sort of help occurs all the time in the real world. Yo Mary Elizabeth, get over yourself.
The local org that opened here a few years back was full of staff “ringers”, including trainees from Flag that were mid-training and not yet qualified to audit. One notable thing about many of them was that many were black. The idea of catering to some of the local demographic. There were also many fringe sorts. I was gung-ho and it seemed peculiar. I know why now. There were over 100 on each day and foundation. Three years later they can’t afford to pay foundation staff that number less than 20. That was before Covid.
Anne Watson Dinkel is definitely still with us . She is on fb but posts very little.
But is she still the ED of Valley Org?
OK, I’ve got (sarcastic?) questions.
1. Do they have a stack of plywood sitting around for just such an occasion? (Along with drills, hammers, nails and screws?)
2. If they don’t have the plywood and supplies there, were the volunteers supposed to bring it with them?
3. Has the staff unionized and “boarding up” isn’t in their job description? This would explain why others were needed.
4. Isn’t this a missed opportunity to disseminate? (You know, lock up the computers and screens in a safe-room and then let the looters take all of the WTH books, etc – then Davey can crow about how people are coming in “like never before”, “tearing the doors down to get in” or “$ci. literature has been flying off our shelves”. Any of which would have an element of truth in them, making a good spot to start exaggerating/lying from.)
5. Isn’t this a missed opportunity to “forever” put the LAPD in their back pocket? All they have to do is let their top local OT person stand out front and tell the Xenu story – thus STRIKING DOWN the mob with pneumonia and/or blindness – and putting a halt to the day’s activities.
To quote an old commercial – Inquiring minds want to know.
Their magical and fantastical super-duper-dooper-super-super-duuper mind powers must have been on the fritz that day if they had resort to using physical non-super-duper-dooper-super-super-duuper labor.
Number 4!! 🤣🤣
Ventura is the same way. Went by there yesterday and no cars in the parking lot.
Boarding up the place will only make it look like there’s something inside to steal! I pity any rioters who fall into that trap!
The looters could steal all of the E-Meters. Just think… they could start auditing one another.
🙂 Retired.
“Go over to that flat screen tv …Thank you.”
“Grab that flat screen tv with both hands…Thank you.”
“Carry that flat screen tv quickly out the door to that car parked right outside…Thank you.”
“Lift the trunk of that car…Thank you.”
“Place the flat screen tv inside the trunk…Thank you.”
“Close the trunk of the car”…Thank you”
“Your needle is floating.”
Maybe all the staff are too busy providing services, working from home?
Staff are sheltering at home, dutifully doing their extension courses, watching Scientology TV and making their theta postulates 🙂
More likely they’re figuring out how they’re going to eat, pay bills and otherwise survive on unemployment while at the same avoiding yet not offending or getting KR’d by the Sea Org vultures determined to claw it away from them.
Aqua, I imagine they keep the staff as busy as ever with bureaucratic make-work, reports and stats, reports about stats, and so on; having them call and hound members to try to keep them engaged as well, and maybe even doing things like going through central files to write letters and make calls to all those people who bought a book decades ago.
I also suspect there is a higher level of comings and goings from the orgs than is obvious, which they’re trying to keep hidden, perhaps particularly for auditing (to keep up stats and GI) and especially for all-important sec checked to keep members (and staff) in line.
I doubt that a high control organization with the relentless doggedness of zombies, is going to slack off even in the face of things obviously spiraling out of their control.
And I’m sure that for staff there’s also the sort of practical dealing with new realities, that you cite.
I hope that before long, we get some detailed insider reports of just what’s really been going on.
Unfortunately, I totally agree with your summary of the current scene for Class V org staff, Peacemaker. The pressure on them from all sides must be…I can’t even get the right word out. Hopefully, hopefully, this pandemic situation will be what causes them route off or blow. Hopefully, they’ll suffer so much that the the pressures are insurmountable. That sounds disgusting when I say it, I know. But what else will wake them up? Obviously they’re not going to “cognite”. So, I hope they suffer – God forgive me – but I hope they suffer JUST ENOUGH to believe they have no choice other than to leave.
Peacemaker, you left off the reports on the stat reports 😉
I get a sense of another one of my old expressions. Could it be …. rats deserting a sinking shit?
No. Wait a sec. That’s not right. Is it?
Bwahaahaa…took me a second Skyler. “Rats deserting a sinking SHIT”…HA HA…maybe I’ll add a little bit “Rats deserting a STINKING SHIT”…
Sorry if this has come across crude to some of you posters that don’t like cursing but I couldn’t help myself.
Linear13,
Not to worry. At least not out of any concern for me. I must admit to feeling very inadequate as to how to respond to the current events. The best I seem to be able to do is try to inject some humor and/or sarcasm. I just wish I was better at it.
Thank you kindly for your reply. I am very happy that I was able to help you laugh.
Linear13 ,
Were you searching for: “Crazier than an outhouse rat?”
Where’s the “Queen of the Vally Org” Nancy Cartwright when you need her? Surely a “fake” pandemic won’t stop her. Ah well I suspect even looters are smart enough to steer clear of anything to do with anti-life $cientology.
She’s sheltering at home postulating new realities.
I always wonder what all the staff in these orgs do anyway – there must be lots of make-work paperwork and bureaucracy that keeps them busy even as the number of customers/students has dwindled in the best of times. So perhaps that continues unabated and they still need outside help to deal with something unexpected like having to board up the windows, while inside they’re busy complying with all sorts of requirements from higher headquarters, and trying to come up with stats to submit by 2pm Thursday.
Can’t have mere riots interfere with “production,” can they? Plus it provides a way to keep their most loyal public actively involved, and believing they’re doing something important.
PeaceMaker, the answer to your wonderment is this; there are almost no staff in the non- S.O. orgs. Thus no make work needed.
Wynski, every time I ask, I get answers from people here who were in not too long ago, or even with current inside connections, saying that there are something like at least 8 to 12 org staff positions filled at all times (presumably for both “day” and “foundation”) at many orgs, though I have trouble getting specific details about whether some of those might be part time, But for instance, even at the small and failing St. Louis org, local observers there have reported 17-23 cars in the parking lot, typically, before the pandemic – presumably around half of those staff. For example:
Aug. 2018: [2 dozen staff names listed] “I think these people are still on staff”
> https://www.mikerindersblog.org/st-louis-follow-up/
Nov. 2018: “I drove by today at 10:30 and there were 23 cars in the parking lot.”
> https://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-real-state-of-scientology-st-louis-style/#comment-240616
Jan. 2020: “Once again there were about 17 cars in the parking lot. ”
> https://www.mikerindersblog.org/friday-regraded-being-231/#comment-323624
I don’t know if that excludes the apparently immobile VM van, and what recent reports and insider information identify as a maroon SUV that may also be permanently parked, but regardless it represents a fair number of staff coming and going, for one of the worst-off orgs.
St. Louis, with the reports posted here (many thanks to those who have reconnoitered, and reported inside information!), may actually be the best-observed org in the world. The 1st Amendment “auditors” seem to use a sort of casual hit-and-run style on urban orgs without easily observed ground parking lots (or relying on Sea Org who don’tt have cars), that may not be too accurate – particularly if Scientology is responding and skewing observations by, say, having staff and public use a back door when auditors are present.
I welcome anything that clarifies the situation one way or another, with the most reliable observations and information possible. Perhaps St. Louis is an exception in being one of the orgs in worst shape, and yet with more staff than might be expected, but that seems to me an extraordinary theory, and it would require equally or more methodical observations of other orgs to demonstrate that they’re not actually relatively typical.
Then I suggest you go LOOK like I have. Then bring back proof of an org outside the big ones that has 12 full time staff. Brings names and schedules
There ya go.
I’ll wait. Also, who are all these recent people you are talking to and what EXACT orgs are they from????????
Wynski, do you have any of that sort of proof – like documentation and counts – to back up your claims? If so, please provide it, or link to it.
I’ve visited enough orgs on urban blocks to have observed that it’s hard to tell how many people might actually be working behind the scenes on what are typically multiple floors. It seems to me that with those sorts of orgs you’d either have to catch a muster that you were certain virtually all staff attended, or take the time to carefully count comings and goings from all possible entrances over an extended period, probably a whole day – have you or anyone else you know of, done anything methodical like that?
I also personally knew of an org in a good-sized metropolitan area that as of about 2012-15, had 25 to 30 individual staff on the org board, though I’m not certain how many might have been part timers; it had a regularly active membership of about 60 (overlapping with staff), but could get a total “field” of over 100 to come to big annual events, some of those from outlying suburbs that once had or still did have missions. That suggests a staff to public ratio of 1:2 to 1:1, which fits with reports we’ve had here from people with inside knowledge of other orgs, including more recently.
In the case of St. Louis we have an org in a suburb (University City) without mass transit to speak of, and with its own surface parking that is easily observed. From an insider, we have a list of names of about 2 dozen total staff in recent years. And we have multiple reports of car counts that fit with about 8 to 12 staff (possibly over two separate “org” shifts), and an equal number of public, being in the building at most times that it’s open.
What better examples or evidence do we have?
Proof of a NEGATIVE? People NOT walking into an org? You want the names of ALL the people that are NOT staff in an empty org? That would be everyone on the planet. I guess I could ask the people not in the empty building that were there who else wasn’t there?
I guess I could have videoed for hours and hours.
Cars parked = evidence of CARS parked there. Denver org rents out its parking spaces… An “Insider” who recently left should be able to tell you the names of those working there recently (past month or so). Get the list and post
Wynksi, I’m just asking you for positive proof of your claims.
And yes, for an urban org without a surface parking lot, you’d probably need to put in hours if not a full day of observation to actually get an accurate idea of how many people are inside. I’ve thought about how I might do it sometime when I visit a big city, and that’s the only thing I can come up with that seems as if would be meaningfully accurate.
For about two decades now there’s been a well-established pattern that when SPs show up at an org, it goes into lockdown and they send out a few of their toughest handlers – DSAs, security or Sea Org. So whoever comes out of an org when you show up to hassle them for a bit, doesn’t tell you much about who’s actually inside (I was at protests long ago when that dynamic was first emerging).
Denver is an apples-and-oranges comparison because it’s an urban org in a dense area where there is demand for paid parking – St. Louis is not (and insider sources here were even able to match descriptions of vehicles observed with the staff and members who own them). Denver is also another org I happen to have detailed insider information about as of several years ago – similar to the org I cited figures for previously, 25-30 staff (I saw shown pictures from a holiday party feteing them, and counted), about twice as many active members, plus about as as many more in their ‘field’ who would come for major events including from one still-extant suburban mission.
One can simply observe start and finish hours BTW. Org hours are listed in PL form.
Your insider info of 25-30 staff at an org like ST Louis org in the last 35 years is complete BS. Whoever told you that is on drugs or lying. I had COMPLETE DETAILS of every org on the planet through the 90’s. NONE other than a few Sea Org staff inflated orgs have grown since then.
Sorry but you will have to see to believe.
Wynski:”1st Amend auditors”?? are they part of an organized “indie” group? Name doesn’t ring a bell for me.
No. They are a pretty radical group that tries to catch the police doing wrong. They have recently decided to video scientologists. Some of their vids are pretty aggressive. I’m not a fan.
jere, no they are doing their part as 4th Estate people (look up on Google.) Basically patriots who are civil rights activists. If “radical” means trying to keep the gov’t from violating the Bill of Rights, then yes, they are “radical”. LMAO!!!!!!!
Great post Mike!
Intesting the org had to call in public members to board up window. This dramatically exposes the real scene there. Also, assuming the work was deemed necessary because of protests and vandalism doesn’t this also show how “at effect” the org is instead of being at cause over the environment? Shouldn’t this not be the case because of all their social betterment work done over the years to bring peace and prosperity to their community? Guess this is just more proof of failure of the texh and supports the knowledge the cult is all a scam.
Great post Mike. Yes, where are the staff members helping board up the place? Maybe all left cuz of no pay. The E.D. of the Valley Org for years was Anne Dinkle and her husband, I think his name is George. Why aren’t these frantic texts going out from Ann Dinkle as the head honcho? Or from her D.E.D., Deputy Executive Director, Melissa Temps? Does this mean Ann is no longer the head? And maybe Melissa has left staff? Ann was in her 60’s or 70’s even 7 years ago, so maybe she is off staff due to old age or physical problems? We would have heard if she’d died, wouldn’t we?
Are they REALLY public members, or only poor rubes who bought “extension” courses they haven’t worked on, yet?
Glenn observed:
“Intesting the org had to call in public members to board up window.”
I found it interesting they had “public” they could call to try to get help. My impression was that most, if not all, scns had succumbed to the pressure to join staff, or worse, the Sea Org.
I wonder if those ‘highly commended’ clams will get out of the next regfest with out handing over a first born child or a second mortgage? Most ‘commendations’ don’t last past the next Thursday 2pm.
I wonder if the they will actually GET commendations, and if they make it to their ‘ethics’ folders. There are too few staff, it seems, to do basic chores.
It’s a fools bet to bet on their CF being up-to-date.
Zee moo. Most commendation don’t last past the Thursday 2pm. So true so sad.
It says that Dave Tourje sent two of his employees to help.
Wonder if his son, Kyle, was among them.
It is possible that doing this very difficult task required OT powers.
However lockdown was the straw that is causing the pot to overflow. The cult wasn’t ready for it.
What one sees from the outside are pieces of wall and plasters that fall and cracks on all sides.
Going this way, in a short while the place will no longer be accessible.
Why do they need to board up the orgs? Shouldn’t all those ‘OT Super Powers’ keep any rioters away??
Unless there really aren’t any ‘OT Super Powers’ and Hubbard lied about them.
Of COURSE there aren’t any OT supper powers — unless you count the ones they dream of, and sometimes claim they’ve exercised:”SEE!? *I* did that.”, not having ever announced that they were going to cause ANYthing to happen
I agree. These out-ethics OTs, tsk tsk. Their OT Powers should be acting as force-fields, protecting their orgs from all entheta including window-breakages from PTS’s paid to vandalize by their Merchant of Chaos Masters. Obviously, these OTs are not products of the tech and will need redo their entire Bridge from Student Hat on up. The time is now.
A couple 1st Amend auditors who have surveilled this org and are familiar with scamology have told me that they only see S.O. Security and a few people come and go who are in SO uniforms. NO daily arrival and departure of other people who would be non-SO staff. Random yes but not daily.
Interesting
So they didn’t have enough beans and rice rations to feed the volunteers?
LOL!
Good Bye Scientology. Dave, There are four million Buddhists in the United States alone. Build steel buildings in the backyards and haul in your “tech” for safe keeping. I can order monster Buddha statues from Indonesia for less that $1,000 per unit weighing in at a few tons. We can bring in a few monks
and get your ideal orgs booming fast. Actually, no one really cares about Buddhism in the United States but we can put in Yoga. Yoga will transcend you, Davey.
Speaking as a Christian, I must say that yours is the preferred course of action.
George, the only thing in HIS back yard would be impregnable safes for the cash he’s skimmed.
And his Mccallums of course.
In response to Georgemwhite, I think more and more people are getting interested in Buddhism. People are looking for something calming in this world and the peace and serenity in Buddhism is getting more and more popular. Also myself and others I know, that practice/ study / meditate, don’t feel the need to scream it from the roof tops. I stumbled across it and curiosity made me look harder and found I need and want it in my life.
Might be the time to start a blog on Buddhism.
George, I like to say that Yoga killed Scientology – a gross oversimplification, but it gets to the point that it and other practices such as meditation offer the basic benefits that Hubbard plagiarized from Buddhism (including indirectly through Theosophy and occultism) and other sources, the potential for mental centering and great self-awareness, along with occasional feelings of physical relief and even transcendence, in forms that are now widely available for relatively little financial or social cost. And that itself is emblematic of even broader social and technical trends that have left Scientology anachrolistic and irrelevant.
Hubbard tried so hard to convince people he was the Buddha’s teacher, the Buddha and the future Buddha. It is ironic that Yoga took him out.
Funny you mention yoga and Scn. I was taking private yoga lessons for a while and one day the yogi (teacher) told me we were going to do an exercise, mental one. She asked me the listing question from Solo Nots, “Who are you?” And “Who are YOU?” repetitive. That was weird to see that Scn has become used or squirrelled by outsiders such as yoga teachers Or maybe it is the other way around?
Jane, any similarity you run across between Scientology and other practices is most likely something Hubbard stole from an earlier source. One of his great tricks was to make people believe that anything that came after Dianetics and Scientology, had to be taken from or at least influenced by his work – a trap that even observers and journalists sometimes fall in to. In a few cases in Scientology (coming more often than not, from Hubbard’s now-forgotten collaborators and underlings – another of his tricks of taking credit for others’ work) there is some nuance of technique added, like aggregation into lists, and changes of nomenclature, but it vitually all seems to have roots earlier than Hubbard, and the adaptations in the work of others around him.
I found a reference in an old Yoga journal, that asking “who are you” is an old yogic and Buddhist teaching technique, which sounds about right. I believe that variations of it were also used in 19th and early 20th century spiritualism and occultism, and it arguably has roots in the Christian tradition as well.
p.s. To add on to my response to George, I should have added that yoga also provides a sense of shared activity, if not even community – and Buddhist sanghas, even more so.
Thank you for this interesting information, Peacemaker!
I would be quite happy if Yoga would indeed transform the rat. But there is something even better and that would be if it could transport him. Hopefully, up, up and away to a different planet … like one of the scam’s prison planets. That is – after all – where the rat belongs. It would be quite delightful if he could be transported there together with some other deserving human – like a boxer and a set of boxing gloves.
That way, he could be subjected to daily boxing matches where he would get his head handed to him. Wouldn’t that be a fitting consequence for all of the daily beatings he gave (or still gives) to others?
Solution: Sharron Weber and the crew give up the boat.
Man Valley Org and change the name to The Freewinds Land Base.
Take over Van Nuys.
To: Joe Pendleton
From: David Miscavige COB RTC
Re: Giving up my boat.
YOU DARE SUGGEST THAT SCIENTOLOGY SURRENDER THE FREEWINDS?! THAT IS OUTRIGHT BLASPHEMY! THE FREEWINDS IS THE MOST SACRED RELIC OF THE SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION! AND WHAT MAKES IT SACRED IS THAT IT WAS MY IDEA!
RECANT, YOU HERETIC!
OH, AND I ALREADY HAVE PLANS FOR THE ILLUMINOUS HAG SHARON WEBBER! YOU JUST WAIT!
ML
Dave.
IN all seriousness, the floating SO all came to land when they decided on Clearwater and bought up a bunch of real estate there. So as the Freewinds becomes more and more decrepit and in need of big time repairs, and unable to sail, or they are too poor to buy fuel for it, they just may come to land and Valley Org is a big building to house them in. I wouldn’t wish it on Van Nuys or North HOllywood, but it could happen.
That aging vessel needs to be replaced.
The Freewinds is the perfect example of the term “white elephant.” Services delivered on the ship have been delivered at Flag before, including OTVIII. My guess would be that whenever the the ship goes in for it’s final dry dock, never to return to sea, that “org” will move to land, similar to the move to land in Clearwater in 1975.
Ah, yes, the Freewinds, far from the distractions of the world, off the crossroads of everyday life…in Van Nuys 🙂
Forgive me, no insult to Van Nuys intended; I ‘ve never been there, know nothing about it, and it could be a lovely town, but in this context it just sounds hilarious to me. Substitute “Peoria”, or “Pittsburgh” and you’ll catch my drift.
Hey, its like this:
If Noah’s Ark could end up on Mount Sinai, why can’t The Freewinds end up in Van Nuys?
And if you don’t understand that logic, believe me, neither do I.
But never mind, I think COB will like it, and Dan Sherman can explain it to him.
How dare COB call my ex-wife Sharron a hag.
When we were married DM would send her around the world doing “Ethics Cycles”. Being a woman, she could not beat up people like DM.
So she developed her mouth as a lethal weapon. She even had a term for it; diareahea of the mouth”. Captain Napier once told the crew at staff meeting that one had to be brave to even walk down C deck Port side where her office was. Even a good looking woman will look like a hag with a mouth as foul as that. She will be 70 years old in October, just in time for Halloween. Just as she is, with no costume she makes a good witch.