A backlog of assorted minutes from the dedicated money grubbers desperately trying to get the Valley “ideal org” done. It is becoming a bit sad to watch.
Even with Her Royal Governess of the Vast Valley Territory and Queen of OTness Nancy Cartwright bankrolling them, supported by David “I’m Not Crazy, Just OT” Wilson, the end of the road seems about as far away now as it did a year ago.
And this in the land of the greatest concentration of scientologists on earth OMG!
And the other booming ideal orgs — Pasadena, CC Int, LA, Orange County and Inglewood. And CLO WUS and CSI and Bridge and on and on.
The air is seeping out of the balloon. And each time the new pitch from Quinn Taufer appears as to the latest “completion date” you can see a little more apathy set in. Even he seems to be abandoning Valley as he has to go on to “help other orgs.”
Miscavige is going to have to bail them out. It’s not a problem, there is plenty of money to do it with, even for a ridiculous expense like the Valley Palace… But it will set a bad precedent for the other orgs and they will all realize they are pushing shit uphill and wait for the bailout too.
It’s not easy captaining the Titanic.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
February 3, 2015
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Mary Lee Krackow, Debbie Suplee, Hagit Ron, Dali Bahat, Ofrah Bahat, Linda Massey, Bob Welch, Lauren Perreau, Bob Brooks, Ben Ghiora, Heelah Cohen
Kathy Welch opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Down from 58 to 48
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Down from $88,992 to $18,357
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Up from 197 to 278
# of Events & Briefings Held – Down from 1 to 0
# of Service Starts – Down from 16 to 15
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Up from 21 to 23
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Kathy Welch announced the change in the current Ideal Org Project status, with Quinn Taufer handling other WUS Orgs that need attention on advancing their fundraising cycles.
Kathy Welch announced the PAC OTC Alliance event for Valley on Feb 15 at 5:00pm. The fundraising theme for this event centers on the sale of the leaves on the tree to be constructed in the children’s area at the new Valley Ideal Org. There are 60 confirms to date.
Kathy Welch announced the LRH Birthday Event Saturday March 21 at the Valley Org Chapel on Burbank Blvd. Doors open at 6:00pm, event starts at 7:00pm. There are 216 confirms so far.
Let’s work on new Infinity Club Members and Status upgrades.
Debbie Suplee announced our newest OTC member Rebecca Decrescenzo!
Hagit Ron started OT IV!!!!
Susan Jacobs updated us on the CF project.
Lauren Perreau, Debbie Suplee and Kathy Welch shared their wins on SRD with Valley Org delivering excellent results on the Purif and Student Hat Course as well!
Bob Brooks and Debbie Suplee discussed methods to improve responses and participation from new and old OTC members.
10 OTC members made donations to the Ideal Org.
OTC members went into production with call-in for the Feb 15 PAC OTC Alliance event for Valley.
LRH quotes from RJ 32 were read regarding “the future is ours.”. The meeting was ended.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
January 27, 2015
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, Mary Lee Krackow, Karen Brown, Debbie Suplee, Bonita Wilson, Hagit Ron, Dali Bahat, Ofrah Bahat, Scott Kreisberg, Alicia Kreisberg, Diane Temps, Mark Anderson, Linda Massey, Ray Loomis, Bob Welch, Damien Stolarz, Lauren Perreau, Nancy Parodi, Bob Brooks, Ben Ghiora, Heelah Cohen, Rochelle Goodrich
Kathy Welch opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Down from 61 to 58
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Down from $89,903 to $88,992
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Down from 231 to 197
# of Events & Briefings Held – Even at 1
# of Service Starts – Down from 17 to 16
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Down from 24 to 21
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Kathy Welch announced the Clive Rabey briefing and activation event this Friday at PAC.
Kathy Welch announced the PAC OTC Alliance event for Valley on Feb 15 at 5:00pm.
Kathy Welch announced the LRH Birthday Event Saturday March 21 at the Valley Org Chapel on Burbank Blvd. Doors open at 6:00pm, event starts at 7:00pm.
Quinn Taufer briefed us on needed actions to continue to completion by March 12th.
OTC members went into production with call-in for the Feb 15 PAC OTC Alliance event for Valley.
LRH was acknowledged. The meeting was ended.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
January 13, 2015
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, Mary Lee Krackow, Karen Brown, David Wilson, Mary Ann O’Donnell, Colleen Bigler, Dali Bahat, Ofrah Bahat, Diane Temps, Mark Anderson, Heelah Cohen, Ray Loomis, Vered Ziv, Bob Welch, Damien Stolarz, Lauren Perreau, Rochelle Goodrich, Nancy Parodi, Bob Brooks, Ben Ghiora, Joan Roeschke, Betty Sutphin
Kathy Welch opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Up from 52 to 58
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Down from $73,712 to $ 38,654
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Up from 183 to 228
# of Events & Briefings Held – Even at 1
# of Service Starts – Up from 10 to 13
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Up from 17 to 25
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Quinn Taufer briefed us on the new Freedom Magazine, SMP, upcoming USA Today ads, the SMP Freedom Channel, and the Dianetics Channel.
Then Quinn reviewed the Ideal Org fundraising stats and new target to complete 12 March 2015 at 2:00pm!
We have 7 weeks to get it done.
Please do your next status and get those pledges paid.
Reminders: There are 7 weeks to our completion target. Kathy continued with the details of the Infinity Club success; then she announced the new combined Completion Club / Infinity Club strategy:
Gold Infinity $88,000
Silver Infinity $8,800
Bronze Infinity $880
Mary Elizabeth covered details on how Completion Club fundraising starting at $880 includes everyone, all new and previous donors.
David Wilson briefed us last week on how this strategy came about and how it can get us into high speed toward completion of the fundraising.
David invited all present to get started with their initial Completion / Infinity Club contributions
Abi issued Event surveys that were completed by all attendees.
OTC members went into production writing letters and stuffing envelopes with invoices from recent donors, and a copy of 2014 Valley Year in Review. Also call-in for Friday’s dinner and Saturday’s Event at Pasadena.
LRH was acknowledged. The meeting was ended.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
January 6, 2015
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, Mary Lee Krackow, Karen Brown, David Wilson, Hagit Ron, Debbie Suplee, Charlene Thorburn, Mary Ann O’Donnell, Colleen Bigler, Dali Bahat, Ofrah Bahat, Diane Temps, Ralph Temps, Mark Anderson, Heelah Cohen, Dean Glosup, Ray Loomis, Vered Ziv, Bob Welch, Damien Stolarz, Lauren Perreau, Rochelle Goodrich, Linda Massey, Marty Kassowitz, Bobbi Kassowitz
Kathy Welch opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Up from 37 to 52
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Down from $411,100 to $73,687
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Down from 183 to 135.5
# of Events & Briefings Held – Even at 1
# of Service Starts – Even at 10
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Up from 15 to 17
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Kathy Welch briefed us on upcoming dinners and Events. This Friday is Dinner at the Wilsons 6:30 pm. Saturday’s Event is at Pasadena Ideal Org at 6:00pm.
There are 9 weeks to our completion target of 12 March 2015 at 2:00pm!
Kathy and Manuela continued with the details of the Infinity Club success; then she announced the new combined Completion Club / Infinity Club strategy:
Gold Infinity $88,000
Silver Infinity $8,800
Bronze Infinity $880
Mary Elizabeth covered details on how Completion Club fundraising starting at $880 includes everyone, all new and previous donors.
David Wilson then briefed us on how this strategy came about and how it can get us into high speed toward completion of the fundraising.
David invited all present to get started with their initial Completion / Infinity Club contributions: Leading the way are:
Mary Elizabeth and Dean Glosup
Mary Ann O’Donnell
Karen Brown and Mark Anderson
Kathy and Bob Welch
David Wilson
Bonita Wilson
Abi issued Event surveys that were completed by all attendees.
OTC members went into production writing letters and stuffing envelopes with invoices from recent donors, and call-in for Friday’s dinner and Saturday’s Event at Pasadena.
LRH was acknowledged. The meeting was ended.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
December 30, 2014
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, Mary Lee Krackow, Karen Brown, David Wilson, Irad Ron, Hagit Ron, Debbie Suplee, Diane Temps, Ralph Temps, Mark Anderson, Heelah Cohen, Dean Glosup, Ray Loomis, Vered Ziv, Bob Welch, Damien Stolarz
Kathy Welch opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Down from 60 to 37
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Up from $381,847 to $411,100
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Down from 480 to 183
# of Events & Briefings Held – Even at 1
# of Service Starts – Up from 6 to 10
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Down from 21 to 15
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Kathy Welch announced our new OTC member Damien Stolarz from Woodland Hills!
Kathy Welch briefed us on results of the Dinner at CC Int last Friday, where Quinn Taufer acknowledged each of the OTC participants and top donors for the Valley Ideal Org Project. Quinn read and issued the Commendation for all LA Alliance participants. 2014 stats were over $7 million raised, 32 new Humanitarian statuses, and 400 new status increases!!!
Abi issued Event surveys that were completed by all attendees.
Manuela gave the updated Match game details: Team A has $500,000 left to invoice. Team B has $150,000 left. Target is to complete the match game by Wednesday Night!
OTC members went into production writing letters and stuffing envelopes with invoices from recent donors.
LRH was acknowledged. The meeting was ended.
MINUTES
VALLEY ORG OT COMMITTEE MEETING
December 23, 2014
Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.
ATTENDEES: Kathy Welch, Kathie Heard, Mary Elizabeth Glosup, David Wilson, Bonita Wilson, Debbie Suplee, Linda Massey, Mary Lee Krackow , Dali Bahat, Ofrah Bahat, Heelah Cohen, Dean Glosup, Ray Loomis, Hagit Ron, Vered Ziv, Bob Welch
Kathie Heard opened the meeting.
Mary Lee Krackow recited the purpose of the OTCC.
STATS
Division 1 – Karen Brown
Active Members – Down from 66 to 60
Division 2 – Mary Elizabeth Glosup
Gross Income – Up from $56,443 to $381,847
Division 4 – Kathy Welch
# of Volunteer Hours – Up from 347.5 to 480
# of Events & Briefings Held – Down from 2 to 1
# of Service Starts – Down from 9 to 6
Division 6 – Debbie Suplee
Meeting Attendance – Even at 21
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Quinn Taufer Project I/C briefed us on the New Year’s Event After Party details. Confirms to date are 93. Target is 150.
Our fundraising target is to get invoiced the current amount to take us below the $5 million mark.
Our other production target is to get 50 confirms for the Friday Dinner at the Wilsons.
Quinn will have the Commendations for all OTC participants at the Dinner.
Name out was completed with all staff and OTC taking their contact names for confirmation / status increase.
OTC members went into production calling / texting for confirms to the dinner and calling for status increases.
LRH was acknowledged. The meeting was ended.
My first, last and only OTC I ever went to: I thought that we were trying to get people to come into the org. I suggested that we put up a bill board in a high but slow traffic area with an ARC= U layout on it or part of a tone scale on it with a phone no. The leader said ” ya but not right now we need to raise money here: that I perceived as ” sit down and STFU” ??
So … lemme get this straight … you got a status … like E Pluribus Humanitarian … BUT … t’aint good enuff really because NOW you gotta join the “Completion Club” and get a whole NEW freakin’ STATUS !!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha …. I freakin’ LOVE it!!!! These dupes ARE kinda fun to follow, admit it kids. And WE all know (they don’t know, but we do) that a day or two after they FINALLY reach their target …. yeah, you guessed it … a NEW “game” begins to get the dough for the renos … yes, a brand new status or two or three will be sucked from the suckers … but if you wants to play, you gots to pay ….
Absolutely no one was audited in an otc meeting. Not a single word was cleared or problem solved. No one learned how to use an emeter or fly a rudiment. No one was relieved of an unwanted condition or spiritual dilemma. These meetings aren’t just a waste of time, they are bugging people for money for mest, actually preventing the products of real Scn. Shame on them for forwarding this useless sham.
What Hallie Jane just said.
Don’t worry about it H. Jane. There are no public in the orgs to “scam”. It’s just the OTC circle jerk. The real # of ACTIVE public in the U.S. is not even worth counting these days.
Anyone who wants to (and believes) that there is any kind of real market for El Con’s tech, can open their own “Org” and sell & deliver to their hearts content… (the dirty little secret is, most know there is no market)
“It’s just the OTC circle jerk”. Based on what my org looked like before I eased on down the road, that would be correct. The halls were echoing and it wasn’t a big building.
Has there ever been an OT committee meeting anywhere when no fundraising takes place?
That is quite the question. My memory is stretched but I think way back in the 80’s such a thing occurred but don’t hold me to that.
I was on the OT committee at CC Int in the mid to late 90’s. It hadn’t taken hold yet.
The overts and perpetual criminal activities these people endorse and enforce upon themselves and anyone gullible enough to listen to them is well past the point of truth having any effect on them.
The order of magnitude required to get them to realise what they are doing is so far distorted from their own philosophy and opposite from the policy of the founder, it is indeed a mystery in itself. One could say Scientology has been hijacked by morons and the not quite bright.
This Nancy Cartwright person made famous by the voice of an cartoon character has committed millions to endorsing the suppressive actions of a madman. Think what you like about Hubbard but he’d never allow such idiots like that to so openly make a public travesty of Scientology or make fools of themselves in the name of Scientology.
Oh, the future doesn’t look good for them at all, for when the penny drops, which it will, the egg on face will be impossible to remove. They will have to confront the fact wogs and never have been in Scientologists will know far more about the application of Scientology Policy and tech than they do. Oh… what a horrible time is in store for them ( & good riddance too).
It boggles my mind to think that someone would be afraid to be free. Perhaps “freedom” has not been adequately defined, and “personal ethics” needs to be added as part of it all, as the center of it all. One’s own self-determinism.
Exactly, Nickname. And let’s not forget one’s own integrity. It is out integrity to know there is something rotten in Denmark and not look further and act on it. It is out integrity to stay in a criminal group when you know they are criminal. It is out integrity to refuse to look in the first place. How much case gain can a person get when their integrity doesn’t exist anymore? None. So all the sacrifice the person did for the Bridge is for naught when they throw their integrity away.
The price of freedom: “Constant vigilance and a willingness to fight back.”
People, I found the Real Why for Valley’s limping scene OTC stats: they don’t acknowledge COB David Miscavige and RTC at the end of their OTC meetings. Now, they always acknowledge LRH but hey, that’s tantamount to acknowledging just the Father without the Son and the Holy Ghost! So difficult to spot an Omitted.
Did you know Mary Lee Krackow is an OEC / FEBC Grad? Yep. Did it at the ship. A true believer. Mimsey
As an OEC/FEBC Grad, Mary Lee Krackow should know that reference already about hos it is Treasonous to combine orgs, or lessen them etc. If you have her personal email address, can you send her that reference? You can do it from Hushmail so she can’t trace it to you.
Cindy, the OEC/FEBC plus a business degree from UCLA would probably qualify Mary Lee to run a laundramat in Koreatown … MAYBE. That is if she could forget the insane ideas like “Groups thrive when ethics are savage.” (hco pl Condition, How to Assign) and procedures such as assigning a post Emergency when a stat went from highest ever to a small dip the next week. and other completely looney ideas. Yeah, you want to change the operating basis when a high stat dipped a little one week … yeah, that makes REAL sense … uhm … yeah
I didn’t see fantastic stats here since more of them are down than up but have to admit that I’m impressed by the increase in the G.I. here and there. Someone must have swooped in to save the day for Quinn Taufer and the Valley folk. It will never end with these guys and they’ll be on to their next mark before we know it ie: International and fancy celeb Narconon buildings. And the Valley Org will sit there, empty.
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I’m sorry to hear that Valley org is lagging. They have the ingredients of success with the Sea Org not too far away. And there are In-N-Out Burgers in the Valley too, just like near LA Day. So, come on Valley, there are no excuses.
This is a great example of the ‘all hands on deck’ type of action that is supposed to get every one involved and get the goal accomplished. The OTC starts off slowly, then they get some nice paydays and as more are kidnapped to the OTC, the paydays become leaner.
All the OTC folks slowly drift away and income nosedives. The loyal minions come up with some new ‘statues’ that involve money {of course} but little in the way of getting more meat in the door. The self digesting will continue until there are no more paydays for the OTCs. Without a real attempt to get more new meat, the clampire is just eating it’s young. A process that can’t go on for long.
It does serve the purpose of keeping the minions noses to grindstone and therefore unable to spend time in the real world. A busy minion is loyal minion.
Glad to see Tom Clancy has his followers. I know the CO$ thinks they’re James Bond, but they are more like Get Smart. But without the cool gadgets and witty repartee.
If I didn’t know better, those pictures look like a promo piece for a retirement village. Looks like a happy bunch of geriatrics doing some kind of occupational therapy.
—The part about sending invoices confused me. —-
My take on that was that they were sending invoices to get people to send money they had pledged…which means they are not getting as many check, credit card or cash payments as they used to. The sheep are either out of money or no longer bringing the means for instant payment to their milking sessions. If this is true it’s very bad news for the orgs and good news for everyone else. It’s much harder to get the cash sent in later when people are sitting at home looking at bills with no vampires leaning on them. And in some states pledges are not legally enforceable unless some prize or token is given back.
What worries me with this “ideal Org” campaigns is the fact that the pressure to raise funds has become too to high that soon or later you may have people starting to venture into questionable activities just to be able to come up with the money.
It will be sad when people start risking going to jail just to raise money to buy empty buildings to fulfill Miscavige’s lofty dream.
No, it won’t be sad. It’ll be lulzy as hell. It’ll be especially lulzy if we can get the mugshots.
I live for the day I see a mugshot of Grant Cardone. Better yet, his trophies getting auctioned off on eBay like his fellow in douchebaggery Richie Acunto. C’mon Grant, up your status!!!
But on a happier note, Davids, when the pressure to raise funds becomes too high, maybe they’ll all start to wake up and actually realize that they’ve been had and walk away! Hey, I can dream if I want…
Well – Davids – remember the “famous/infamous” case in Colorado — he chose murder and then attempted suicide (but failed) to protect his payments to dm/IAS … I believe he is in jail and all the family members he was trying to save from shame/ruin have disconnected from him.
And before that there was Reed Slatkin. All the hi-roller scios wanted NOTHING MORE than to invest with him and sit back and do nothing but get tremendously high returns on their investments. All a big ponzi scheme. I can think of several “STILL Ins” who invested with Reed and then made a hasty exit turning their backs to Reed instantly … one even moved to South Africa to save his sorry back side.
I’m sure the list goes on and on.
When a person is willing to protect his reputation, his finances, his buildings, his status BEYOND his humanity … well … you’ve got much of the human RACE RACE RACE to the tippy top — somehow someway … and that tippy top might just be attempting to be the BIGGEST BAD ASS in the country. In any case — it’s a RACE …
When IMHO we should all just stop it!! Slow down and attempt to breathe.
Scientology is but one of the more colorful schemes BECAUSE of the celebrity factor.
IMHO
Windhorse
Very true Windhorse. Nearly every scientologist I met from about 1990 to present time had something going on that was a financial rip off. Whether it was affluent scientologists or poor ones. In about 2006 I realized they were learning their criminality from the church. I.e. the church staff members were the ones setting the example and basically teaching it’s members to be criminals. That realization led me to leave the church.
I also learned that if church members even suspect that you are disaffected from the C of S they will try to run “Fair Game” on you by stealing from you. Thus my advice, as I have been through it, for anyone who is on the fence, please immediately get your financial affairs completely separate from scientology and scientologists.
Good advice spirit! I had a Scn friend of over 30 years who when she got wind that I was disaffected, never gave me stuff that we had bought together to share and she took it all and left and disconnected. And mh money on account at different orgs and Ship? Probably my disconnected family has long since used that up.
I’ve got this vision now of these geriatrics with their pasty faces hidden behind masks and wearing adult diapers, holding up a bank to make their GI target for that week.
Davids, we all live and hopefully learn.
In innocence, in trust, or in the belief that no-one could ever mean us any real harm, we have all been gamed or conned in various ways.
After being conned, most of us increased our confront of evil and were more alert to the indicators of lying, swindling, scamming, cheating, etc., then we were before.
But some people never learn, never wake up, and keep getting screwed and taken in and conned again and again and again.
The truth is right in front of them, the indicators are there, and they even have their own experience to review, but they will not look; instead they twist and turn away, make explanations, and keep being victims.
There’s an old saying: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”. Now, that’s a bit harsh, so I would amend it to say, “Fool me twice, shame on you”.
PT Barnum said this: “Never give a sucker an even break”.
The old timers who are Still Ins are not looking – lets leave it at that. For whatever their reasons, they’re not looking at what’s right in front of them, and they are inviting David Miscavige to keep screwing them out of their time and their money, for starters. They know policy and explain it away. I’ve personally experienced long term Still Ins explain why LRH policy is not being followed. Lame excuses.
Sorry, Davids, but I don’t feel sad for them anymore. I’m with Espiando and PT Barnum on this.
“OTC members went into production writing letters and stuffing envelopes with invoices from recent donors…”
LOL! Welcome to the world of Nineteen-Sixty!
Anyone heard from Neighbor lately. I was wondering if he/she/it had ever managed to get up at 5:00 AM?
Yo Neighbor
Wanna weigh in on your geography/celestial navigation talents? Or are you still trying to get your stats up requiring more late night escapades in rice and bean land? We’re here for ya!
Neighbor is busy writing up his Victoly Statement for his A To E about how he delivered an “effective blow against the enemy”. Of course, he never came back to see how his claim survived as it contacted some nuclear torpedoes the “enemy” sent against it.
Yet another drive-by shit slinging from the only group of humans better at such activities than chimps. Oh, well, at least they never hit anything.
The top picture could be captiond: Who is wearing their Depends? The age demo alone dooms Scn to the dust bin of history.
John, that’s exactly what I was thinking. With young people being so tech savvy, all that they need to know is, literally, just a click away. When I was scoping out the Pasadena Idle Morgue, I noticed the only people arriving for course were older folks.
Reading these week after week is like watching the Possum Lodge Meeting from each episode of The Red Green Show, if they were directed by David Lynch. And had scary women instead of Canadian rednecks.
I am OT. I can change. If I want to. Maybe.
(FYI: I’m currently binge-watching all 300 episodes of The Red Green Show in an attempt to get my thetan to access its inner Canadian. Therefore, pretty much every group of people will remind me of a Possum Lodge meeting for a while.)
Don’t forget the duct tape!
The regges certainly don’t. The Handyman’s Secret Weapon is how they keep the OTs in the building long enough to hoover their wallets and purses.
Is “Rebecca Decrescenzo” somehow related to Laura? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_abortion
Laura was married to Jesse Decrescenzo first. He divorced her when she went to the RPF and then left the Sea Org. Jesse then married Rebecca a few years later after she graduated the RPF. They got pregnant and were kicked out of the Sea Org and have been hardcore KA drinkers since to the best of my knowledge. Jesse’s mother is Melanie Leikas, who used to be the ED of LA Fdn. His whole family is in.
“Miscavige is going to have to bail them out. It’s not a problem, there is plenty of money to do it with, even for a ridiculous expense like the Valley Palace… But it will set a bad precedent for the other orgs and they will all realize they are pushing shit uphill and wait for the bailout too.”
That’s not done in organized crime syndicates, the money that the ringleaders siphon off, their percentage of the take that they transfer to off shore untaxed bank accounts is rarely-to-never touched, even if it means their criminal enterprise goes under.
If you look at the history of more traditional organized crime rackets, the crime bosses and ringleaders fight and argue among themselves when their frauds start to cost them money and ringleaders demand that it’s *other* ringleader’s job to bail the scam out and shore it up.
Historically crime syndicates that are dying off end up fighting among themselves more than they do defending themselves from Federal prosecutors, they are all loath to take money from their own precious bank accounts to bail out the scam, they want their fellow crooks to spend *their* money — and the crooks end up fighting among themselves.
David Miscavige isn’t the only dumbfuck violently insane crook that has squirreled away hundreds of millions of dollars stolen from the dimwitted rubes, marks, and suckers. He’ll have been demanding other ringleaders with bank accounts to bail out what the insane crook thinks is the most important to try to keep afloat, he won’t be using any of his own precious stolen money to keep his own fraudulent enterprise running.
I’ve been wondering. I’ve heard all the stories about 16 year old Sea Org workers being given positions that means they are telling forty year olds want to do. If RCS does the same with local accounting, there’s got to be tons of ways people could siphon off cash, without Headquarters being aware of it. A few bucks here, a few bucks there, and voila!
You’ve got a bank account with a couple of million bucks in it.
Then you go UTR or blow, sigh back, and enjoy the money.
If you take into account Admin Tech (going by the descriptions I’ve heard) even easier to work for cash. I wonder how many people have suspiciously full bank accounts.
Don’t know what practise is today, but back in the 1980s it was accepted that money for courses got paid into personal bank accounts of the mission holder (in the Lyon France mission). What could possibly go wrong? http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/lyon_verd.html page 39
At least Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige can trust all the clams explicitly.
These people are the ones that could talk the talk but never walk the walk.
They’d be on the some sort of training but never finish or if they did finish they couldn’t audit.
But boy when it comes to being a good little scientologist they are right there
and quick to go after those who don’t “tow the line”…..the ones that could and did
really walk the walk and didn’t give a shit about the social veneer. No matter how one looks at it there are people in life that do learn, understand and then get things done. The ones that decided to do this in
scientology are the ones these OTC people ignore. Christ all they can do is talk about building
a stupid building. This is scientology for them…talk about being auditors, strutting around like banty roosters
….look at me I’m OT….talking about this, talking about that. Jesus Christ it is just a ridiculous waste of time
and effort directed at going no where. And the funny part is a lot of them are successful in the “wog” world but when it comes to scientology they tippy toe around like a bunch of ballet dancers. Absolutely amazing to watch.
Pretty decent GI weeks actually, otherwise same ol shit.
In case anyone is wondering what it’s like to reach OT, the highest level of spiritual achievement and super abilities … Here it is: You get to hand-write begging letters and lick envelopes and stamps. You are rocking it! You also get to sit around a table and raise your hand in unison with the others, in answer to the question, “Did you go potty today?” That one guy in the blue jacket is constipated.
By the looks of those in the photos, they don’t need a potty break cuz
they are all wearing adult diapers.
Can you imagine after 40 years in the church it comes down to doing
mailers??? Is that all there is??? I know they have the time cuz they are all
retired!
Is this all the OTC meetings are about? A briefing on the crashing stats and then a mailing project? Yeesh. These guys are a regular riot. Someone call the cops to make sure they don’t break any noise ordinances (that’s sarcasm, lurkers).
I hope Nancy wakes up and sees the futility in all of this. If she were to stop writing checks, Valley would never, ever get done. And to need a DM bailout in the “largest concentration of Scientologists” would be a very public failure.
Wait…what? I thought they were a public failure already? I believe they’re the laughing stock of the cult world. Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Stupid Cult.
edge, in order for people like Nancy, JT, TC and ther like to “wake up” they have to end up publicly admitting that they were foolish dups who were scammed out of MILLIONS of $ while believing in space aliens that were inhabiting their own bodies. They can’t just ride off into the sunset quitely because of their public persona… Non-celeb scn’ers who were similarly scammed have an easier exit route
Yea, I thought at OT committee meetings, that they’d be flyin around ash trays, exteriorizing, and reading each others minds and stuff. I’m very disappointed.
JL, they can follow Paul Haggis’ lead and admit that yes, they were wrong. Or they can follow the example set by countless politicians and act shocked at the revelations, announcing instant departure.
John Locke, I think that most celebs, other than TC and KA, could slink away quietly — possibly even JT. But it’s those first two, who have made a public stink about their membership and are also super famous, that will have a hard time just dropping the subject after they’ve dropped the cult. JT, I think can go quietly, even though he’s mega-famous, because he hasn’t taken a public holier-than-thou stance. W&JPS, Beck, etc have been on the down-low all along, so they skate free. Others, like Elfmans, Mastersons, Ribisis, etc aren’t famous enough that they’ll have much to answer for.
hgc10 , you think that “Bart Simpson” is going to slink away from Scn without the US/UK celeb media making hay about it until the blizzards force them inside? LOL!! You should consider Stand Up as a profession. Once it became known it would 24/7 coverage by those outlets.
John Locke — Yes, I think that. The media reports stories on famous people because that’s who their readers are interested in. Bart Simpson is famous, and no Scientologist. Nancy Cartwright is practically unknown. When she leaves Scientology, there will be little public notice outside the Sci-watching community. Paul Haggis, another quasi-famous person and Oscar-winning writer/producer who left, is little known as an ex-Scientologist, and if Lawrence Wright hadn’t written that New Yorker article that preceded Going Clear, his past relation to COS would be known by just a few.
Trust me on this — If anyone Sci-celeb other than Cruise, Ally and maybe Travolta sneaks away quietly, they’ll get a pass — including the voice of Bart Simpson, what’s her name.
That’s what I thought when I saw the photos… OTs are stuffing envelopes and licking stamps. An OT SHOULD be at the top of his game…. out there being cause over MEST and creating zillions of dollars and causing chairs to levitate and stocks to soar. WTF? THIS is the end result of so much time and money? Yikes! Insane.
That’s correct zana. I’ve asked litterally SCORES true believers (in AND out of the Church) about this “situation”. I either get a no answer (sometimes consisting of thousands of words) or hostility… NEVER a logical answer.
That tired old phrase “outflow equals inflow” springs to mind. Funny they even managed to squirrel that too. LRH said “outflow is more holy and more remunerative than inflow”. Trust them to screw even the simplest policy letter up.
jenna elfmen is less famous so it may seem like she has less to answer for but she has been very public in the past and has been vicious in her attack on milton katselas as well as publicly insisting “AIDS is a state of mind”. she is never going to be able to live it down unless she makes a 100% turn around and shows real regret and remorse. she’s comes across as a really mean person.
in my mind there is no doubt her association with scientology has ruined her career.
And 216 confirms for LRH’s Birthday? Wow, they could hold it at AOLA Atrium and still have space for IAS reges to stand there and be ready at the end of the event.
You’re killing me, Silvia! lol
Yea, I wish I could get in to Ruth Eckerd Hall on the 14th for the LRH Birthday event. I remember in the 90’s, an IAS event there where Ruth Eckerd was full, the ante rooms were full and a huge tent outside was full. Now there’s 47X expansion, so they ought to be spilling out into the retirement community next door.
Jan. 15th…Quinn briefed them on the new Freedom mag.
I would love to hear his presentation on that.
I notice they conveniently left off the letters “HBO” and the name Alex Gibney in the minutes.
(oops. Jan.13th)
Geez. It sucks to be a scientologist. Can you imagine what it would feel like if the public at large treated scientologists the way the public at large feels about scientology. That sounds like an interesting/funny scene in a Woody Allen movie.
It sucks BIG TIME to be a scientologists nowadays, Mary! Working 100 hour weeks for $50 per (if you’re stats are up) and much less if they’re down. FOR WHAT? MAKE BELIEVE SHIT! Have you noticed that they seem stuck in the 50s? AND, as it gets worse, it’s going to get a lot worse for its staff and SO.
Yes, OSD, as a 100-hr work week SO member and as an OT Committee Member going to these stupid meetings and as just a plain old ordinary public scientologist. If they only knew the view from the outside.
Very soon the Valley OTC will be able to watch a HBO movie special at a meeting.
(lock the doors when the movie starts)
Oh dear … there must be an SP (or even two) among them causing the GI stats to crash from a weekly high of $411,100 to a measly low of $18,357.
Feb 3 2015 – GI $ 88,992 to $ 18,357
Jan 27 2015 – GI $ 89,903 to $ 88,992
Jan 20 2015 – missing data
Jan 13 2015 – GI $ 73,712 to $ 38,654
Jan 6 2015 – GI $411,100 to $ 73,687
Dec 30 2014 – GI $381,847 to $411,100
Dec 23 2014 – GI $ 56,443 to $381,847
At least it’s headed in the right direction! 🙂
DefInately the right direction…working up to full epic fail!
Something tells me that Jan 20 2015 the GI went from $ 38,654 to $ 89,903. 🙂
” Then Quinn reviewed the Ideal Org fundraising stats and new target to complete 12 March 2015 at 2:00pm!
We have 7 weeks to get it done.”
” Our fundraising target is to get invoiced the current amount to take us below the $5 million mark.”
Yo Dave,
You want to get out that fat checkbook of yours and git-er-done good buddy. Show the frickin losers how a real man does it. Just whip it out and write it off before you have to go through yet another year of
“the year we’re getting Valley done” except you’re not really so maybe next year. I know the reasoning is kind of convoluted but such is life in your Radical Cult of Scientology.
Hey, by the way, I see your B-Day event is on the 12th. Good planning because you really don’t want all your sheeple to go through the event with a big fat withhold having seen ‘GOING CLEAR: $CIENTOLOGY, HOLLYWOOD and THE PRISON OF BELIEF’ and looking at you pontificating while thinking ‘those kind of thoughts’. It will air on the 16th on HBO. I recommend it.
Now on to the more pressing issues. How are you going to handle your sheeple after the 16th. Perhaps a new Sec Check question or two. Make it kind of neutral to begin with so you can draw them in and get some squirming going on. Something like “Do you watch TV.” “Are you a subscriber to HBO?” You know, questions about really bad things that people do.
Anyway, you might want to think about getting everyone left in your cult pulled in for a general cleansing to keep them all winning ………….. or whining…………..as the case may be. You get my drift ……….good buddy.
Dave,
March 16th will be here before you know it. Do you have Gary Lou and Martin Reid groveling night and day, 24/7, to upgrade your sound system for the BIG SHOW on HBO on the BIG DAY?
“Note: The minutes are for the sole use of Valley OTC members. All members receive a copy. Please do not forward the minutes to anyone else for any reason.” So…how’s that working out for you? Must be tough trying to find the leak. I mean, at this point in time it could be anyone! But, rest assured that when the OTC minutes land on Mike Rinder’s Blog, we all get a good laugh and we all thank you for that!
Keep in mind that you probably have more than a couple of OTC members sending out your minutes to the critics sites. Why are they doing this? I’ll leave it to you to figure that one out, lurker…
I say it’s Quinn taking a leak…… I mean leaking what he takes. Whatever!
Yo Quinn,
What is up with the losers at Valley. Tell your leader to get out his checkbook and do it. You know there is NO WAY the bankrupt under the radar cult members can pull this off. Tell Her Hein-Ass and Mr. computer wizard to buck up and then get the midget to kick in as well.
But ……….you would get more traction if He simply gave you some cash to pass out to the pleebes to make it seem like the money was coming from the parishioners. You know, it’s the way the Cult likes to do it. Pretend that everyone is in power because they are wealthy upstat cult members so all the rest of the planet will want to follow you into eternity.
Lastly, why are you bailing on Valley. The way out IS the way through Quinn. At least I though I heard that from someone in your cult before. Go for it!
Quinn,
There seems to be some brown nose inflation. How far up Dave’s butt does he currently require you to be to avoid being awarded one of those black boiler suits?
MIke, please change some random words in future OTC leaks. The clampire will send individualized emails to find the leaker. Yeah, I read too much Tom Clancy.
Seven million dollars is a nice pay out for the Devilish Malodorousness in charge. This is the fruit of sending 2-3 hundred SO to LA. Pure profit. And the OTC sends ‘invoices’.
‘An invoice, bill or tab is a commercial document issued by a seller to a buyer, relating to a sale transaction and indicating the products, quantities, and agreed prices for products or services the seller had provided the buyer.”
What did the OTC sell the buyer? A bridge to nowhere. This series of leaks paints a very sad picture. The OTC members have drifted away (or escaped, or been declared) and revenue from this project has hit the wall. Will her Royal Governor of LA bail them out, again?
How do you know I didn’t do that? I read Tom Clancy books too 🙂
The part about sending invoices confused me. Another word for invoice is bill. So are they sending out bills to donors in order to hit them up for more donations? What other charitable tax-exempt organization does that?
WOW! Reading these minutes is like listening to best actor and best director praise for the cult movie “Eraser Head” – while sitting in the lunchroom of a mental ward.
🙂
I only read the first minutes cuz I couldn’t stomach reading the others. But several outpoints in stats that just don’t add up: The # of Volunteer Hrs is 278. Yet there were 0 Events and Briefings, and only 15 Service Starts. So does it take 278 hours to yield 15 service starts? My guess is No, it doesn’t. So what other kinds of service or action or activities are they doing and counting stats for which add up to 278 volunteer hours? Someone picks his nose and counts it as a Touch Assist to get that bugar out? And also they list # at Meeting Attendance as 23, but the names listed as having attended only add up to 12. Only 12 OTC members show up for the meeting when they say they have 48 active members (down by 10). So are the 36 members who didn’t show for the meeting actually just UTR’s trying to make it look like they’re still on board by occasionally showing up for a meeting? By their own stats only 1/4 of the members show up for the meeting. And someone is definitely UTR because these minutes keep getting leaked to Mike! All this in LA, home of the “Pacifica Bridge” with the highest concentration of Scns.
Don’t try to apply reason to it, Cindy; unless you’d like to see steam come out of your ears.
That is called the Golden Age of Calculator Tech. When you hold down the 7, its a new Golden Age of numbers!
As these minutes continue to find their way to Mike they’ve continued on a trend of becoming increasingly vague. Now that you’ve applied math tech to them just wait for the names of attendees to disappear, replaced by a number.
I noticed that the last time Kathie WASSERMAN Heard was leading the meeting or even present was:
23 December 2014.
Hmmmm — could she have POSSIBLY had the icicles on her heart start to melt? Could she possibly have LOOKED at the horror of DESERTING her youngest child at age 15 throwing her basically out into the street? .because she chose NOT to be a scietologist and because she is gay. (not outing her — her story is on ex-scientology kids — heartbreaking) — look for last name … Wasserman
COULD IT BE????
Doubtful.
Probably at Flag
Drinking kool-aid with the other former SEA ORG members from CC LA (which became CCINT) —
Happy to see Beck’s grammy win — sad to see that he is still locked in.
Too many family ties.
It’s a very very sticky web …
Very
Windhorse