Here is a new twist.
You are in the middle of a service (one of Miscavige’s certified “On Source” checksheets that came with the “Golden Age of Tech”) and He reverts it back to an earlier version (“just how LRH intended it”), raises the price and then expects you to pay for the “upgrade”. Mid-service. Wow.
Wonder if they ever thought of recrediting people for all the extra auditing they had to get in the “old” GAT Bridge before the release of the new, streamlined, extra on-Sourcy “upgraded” GAT II Bridge? You know, the “pilot” that was being delivered at Flag for 9 years while the Class V orgs all continued “doing it wrong, NOT how LRH intended.” Aren’t all those people sort of entitled to having at least SOME of those extra hours they had to pay for — when He KNEW it was wrong but didnt tell them — returned to them? Isn’t that according to the policy He claims to follow? You know, the one about “Exchange”?
That’s a silly, rhetorical question I know. Well, maybe not so silly, but definitely rhetorical. The ONLY policy they apply is “Free Service, Free Fall” and assert their “On-policyishness” as a justification for sticking the knife in one more time.
It’s the Scientology way: “Heads I win. Tails you lose.”
You WILL pay. And you WILL enjoy it and even thank Him for it. Why?
Because He said so. And if you don’t comply, He will cost you a LOT more, starting with making you pay to be sec checked and ending with your family disconnecting if you remain recalcitrant.
So, hand it over, NOW and let’s all get on policy “=)”….
From: nicole.carvajal@fso.org
To:
Subject: Important message regarding your Survival Rundown
Dear Xxxx,
This is Nicole — I am the Flag Building Cashier.
As you know we no longer deliver the TRs & Objectives Co-Audit Course and everyone has been transferred to the
Survival Rundown. So we are getting everyone upgraded to the PT service (Survival Rundown $5000) so as to be in
alignment with policy and having everyone invoiced for the service they are on.
Per the data I have you have not done your upgrade, so I wanted to get in comm with you so we can get this done! Now,
good news is that anyone who was on the Objectives service at the Coachman, transferred to the Flag Building and has
been actively on the service is being given a 50% discount which means you would get the service at $2500.
Hope to hear from you soon so we can get this done and have you properly enrolled! =)
Ml,
Nicole Biancolini
Flag Building Cashier FSO
“Back in the day” we used to have that free Scientology Center auditing out of Div 6, where public could just get free auditing from students and interns. It was great. That was LRH policy. What’s going on now is unbelievably gross and intentionally destructive. That’s all I gotta say.
So true CD, I’ve never been happier and feeling like I have all that I need since I lived on 0 and food stamps for a year. My husband had had a tragic auto accident and had to be under 24/7 care – me. No unemployment for him, no income for me watching him. It was the most enlightening year of my life. I readjusted my values and now even on 1650$ a month I have more then I need and can afford to donate to 3 causes I support monthly and my yearly membership to NRDC. I’m even saving 10% at least each month and I still have XM and wifi and phone and I eat very good.
I would never want to do it again but that year saved me hundreds of thousands and actually made me rich 🙂
Well done, Pumpkin!
Thank you for that story Jane. I remember that happening at AOLA.
Good for you two for holding your ground. Used to be SO could get audited by NSO. That got stopped in early 90s. Sheeesh – what SO on 50$ week pay (sometimes) could pay for their own auditing. The Universe Corp didn’t come as promised ‘The stats were false’ etc. to justify it.
So not true. AOLA went Saint Hill size by ’90. I had to pay 200+ crew in cash and balance it, I know it very well. It was alot to keep up with but fun fun fun till Davie came along.
Cece, I audited tons of SO Staff while doing my levels and NED and FPRD and internship. But I guess they changed it later that NSO could not audit SO. It was another way to deny case gain to SO. And also DM didn’t want the secrets of how he treated staff to get out to public. So to be promised the Universe Corps, then have that denied, have student auditing denied, it really left SO staff high and dry. How unfair that the people who had such good intentions, such a reach to help people were themselves not able to avail themselves of the tech. What a can’t-have Davie ran and runs!
Criminal. — ” He reverts it back to an earlier version (“just how LRH intended it”), raises the price and then expects you to pay for the “upgrade”. Mid-service.” – – Before the takeover ‘Always deliver what is promised’ – was one of things that was first learned and a large reason I felt good about Scientology. Now all the trust is gone and run by a criminal. So bad, embarrassing.
Oh my.
Guess I came to the party late on this one. Being from LA and all that where according to some exec they used expect at least a half an hour delay on events so the actual time starting was actually an hour later than what was posted in their promo…
But anyhoo….
Gotta love the following line:
“As you know we no longer deliver the TRs & Objectives Co-Audit Course and everyone has been transferred to the Survival Rundown. So we are getting everyone upgraded to the PT service (Survival Rundown $5000) so as to be in alignment with policy”
In alignment with *what* policy???
I mean all the policies I’ve ever read on training said you let the student complete whatever check sheet they’re on.
Of course as typical of the Furry Management they never say what “policy” they are referring to just that some obscure “policy” exists somewhere that they can use to screw you over when we decide to which is in fact just another Simple Simon arbitrary.
Anyhoo…
More evidence if needed of the willfully blind leading the blind.
Sheesh
Well they got a surprise coming for the age of scarcity is ending and the end of the money system will as well. I don’t have to prove anything to say that but I do say look at the all the robots taking jobs and not enough being created to fill the vacuum of the millions or more that don’t nor will have work as a result.
so the adage about exchange in Scientology using money is becoming old hat. More so day by day as well.
Time marches on and the exchange will be based on exchange by dynamics and you don’t need money to do that.
The church and most Scientologists have a big surprise coming and the clock is ticking. Open source anything is becoming more and more in use and that don’t use money as well. That is the trends so I don’t worry too much about the church as a result because for that reason the cult will not survive. All those pretty paper or digital numbers that they think is called money in the end will mean nothing.
JUST SAY NO TO BULLSHIT!
Wow, Wow, Wow!
How can anyone expect anyone else to buy this BS over and over again.
On the other hand there is that old adage,
“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me”.
But actually there is no need for shame, blame, or regret.
Real Scientologists just need to say NO to Bullshit. No matter how addicting it may be to “go with the flow”, GAT II still squirrelly Bullshit.
There are plenty of people delivering traditional Scientology Tech that is much more standard outside of the Church of Mi$cavige.
Hahahahahahahahaha! Your right! At this point they ARE the indie Div 6 because they don’t deliver!
What you say is so true, Anita. I have found disseminating the subject of Scientology to others to be very easy a long as I first let them know that I have NO connection with the Church of Scientology, but am an independent. The more they squirrel, the more people “stay away in droves” from them. But lots people are interested in the subject still simply because it has a lot to offer and they are happy to find places where it is practiced in a pure, caring manner …..just as you and Les do every day.
Jane,
I remember when OTs could co-audit. It was a very good action. I was on a non-OT co-audit and there were these two OT guys who were co-auditing on FPRD like you were. What a blast it was to see them come out of session. Their floating needles were floating the whole building! I would make a wild guess that they swung far more than three times, even though they were not required to do so. 🙂
So Mi$cavige unmocked that working installation too, huh? Doesn’t surprise me.
Um, Anon…….
Please don’t compare the use of the word “wog” by Scientologists with racism. The two are really not comparable and if you think that they are then you have no reality on being on the receiving end of racism. It is just not a good comparison.
Ad in Graigslist roughly one week ago (LA area, the ad has been taken down)
“PRIVATE PARTY WILL BUY YOUR SCIENTOLOGY PREPAID SERVICES
I buy your prepaid services at any Scientology organization. Cash paid. Email me for a quick response.”
Now, why would anyone do that?
My guess, someone who’s willing to raise a real stink with the COS and believes the organization is fighting on too many fronts to engage in extensive fair game. Someone or some organization has been informed about the vast amount of money held by the organization on account and knows how difficult it is, for various reasons, for ex’s to get their money back. If they can locate people who are willing to take 10, 20, 30 cents on the dollar for their account balances and are then willing to threaten media action, legal action, and reporting violations of the IRS agreement regarding the refund policy and can stand up to fair game they can make a killing with little actual work. So, my answer is someone who thinks the organization is toothless and smells blood in the water or some group who believes they’re tougher then the COS.
While reading the comments it occurred to me that the while the defective car analogies are valid for individual courses what GAT I and II are really comparable to, for me, is if the Bar Association informed me that I can no longer practice law until I retake the Bar Examination simply because laws and the exam are changing to Golden Age of Law II.
My reply is that I keep abreast of changes in the law and report my compliance with the continuing education requirements of the Bar, that I have successfully practiced law for 20+ years without a single complaint, and that the current Bar Exam is irrelevant as I passed the one required and approved by the state year in the year I graduated from school. The Bar then responds that none of that matters.
They then tell me that I can’t retake the Bar until I re-enroll and graduate from law school again.. If I don’t agree, I’ll lose my Partnership and all of my colleagues and clients will be mandated to never work with me again. I can’t consider practicing in the independent field because that’s illegally practicing law without a license. Oh, and this will now make it the the third time I’ve had to graduate law school and pass the exam due to changes in Golden Age of Law I and II. I simply wouldn’t be up to doing it a third time.
That really hit home for me how difficult it can be to leave Scientology, especially given disconnection which is so much worse when it also includes family, unlike my scenario.
http://backincomm.wordpress.com/
We have the first GAT2 defector already!! 🙂
Check out the Getting back in Comm blog.
WTF is the Survival Rundown and how does it replace TR’s and Objectives? I am stunned at this email.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNzjBh7i8SY
Charging an enormous, out of reach fee and then discounting it is the oldest trick in the book and it IS Scientology!! Funny the clubbed seals don’t get it! There is tons of money on account at Flag and all Orgs for services never rendered. This accomplishes two things: 1. This will cause many more to leave in which, Scientology sits on their lawyered up contracts they enforced everyone to sign and Scientology will keep all of the money. 2. He gets to debit more money for the same stuff again!! If it isn’t cruel – it isn’t Scientology!
What is obvious is that Miscavige only wants the truly brainwashed culties that don’t question anything ever! This will shed another layer of Scientologist’s already on the edge in doubt – and push them over….David Miscavige only wants the hard core ones that will DIE so Miscavige can be right and his job and huge pay plus benefits is secure!!
“Why do you need to understand why I’m on a public street talking?”
Check this OUT! This is what I’m talking about! LFBD! This man is making sense. This IS New York!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aATQ46sbiAQ
WORSE P.R. EVER!
This is the way it goes now. The people in the Org did NOTHING but cut this guy’s comm and run a CAN’T HAVE on him.
Info? “You have to go through channels”
Photos? “Not allowed”
Fresh air and space out side? She had to run out on the sidewalk, continue to cut his comm and run a can’t have on him on sidewalk space!!!!!!!! Then she generated conflict!
WHY do these people act like an oozie machine gun is pointed at them when someone has a camera? It’s like walking into John Gottie’s social club in little Italy!
See, if I can see it, why can’t they? We both read the same stuff! So, is it the reading materials or the people?
What is she going to sell this guy, the comm course? His TR’s were better than hers! He had to sort out her confusions!
He walked in there looking for some enlightenment, he was curious.
Just given can’t have’s and someone trying to push him down into the enforce band! “You can’t film on this sidewalk”.
CA RA ZYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
I figured it out. Missed With holds. Those Scientologists KNOW ain’t nobody going to come in there and buy one of the new 6,000 emeters or a fucking Patron or 100 grand for three L’s, or accomos at Flag or humanitarian status’ or buy real real estate for David Miscavige and Tom Cruise.
They know these people ain’t going to buy cruises on the Freewinds and “SuperPower” at the new mecca cathedral.
They make this guy wrong for KNOWING something is an outpoint and refer him as a DSA particle because he knows how to know and misses their with holds all over the place.
Why the fuck ARE you there in Harlem David? To get people interested so they can figure out the big can’t have that will be run on them up the line when “they don’t make it” according to your current standards?
This is what I mean when I say YOU SET EVERYONE UP FOR A LOSS!
Sorry for posting this across two blogs, but this is EXACTLY what I ahve been trying to point out FOR YEARS, and it is right here! Finally! Right here on video to see for yourself!
Trust me what I tell you, that in 1972, if this guy had walked into the New York Org in 1972, someone would have cared enough about him to offer him a seat, offer him a drink, offer him a free service, give him an emeter test, and answer all of his questions. They would have cared about this guy, respected that he cared about his community, and REACHED instead of shooing him out like a dust particle and referring him to DSA for CURIOSITY!
This video was a relief for me, because I was this guy in 1972. And I WAS HELPED.
This video was a relief for me, and it also made me cry.
This guy REACHED. And he was blown off. This is what I am talking about. The books were the same back then. People could understand back then. People cared about the people in front in front of them back then. People were HAPPY when someone came into an Org back then, they did not RECOIL!
You look at this guy and you see his potential his reach, his honesty,his ethics presence. This guy would have been highly desirable in 1972 as a walk in. This guy has promise. The staff in the Church leave me wondering what Scientology they are in today that I never found out about.
And don’t want to know about.
Marty and Mike bought the Scientology back down to the streets.
This is where it belongs. Not in castles in the sky. It can not survive outside of the grass roots. It belongs here with us. And it belongs with the 4000 auditors in the Nation of Islam.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video! hahaha
These guys in the org are freaking out. Talk about paranoia. The churchies have become so introverted they never will expand.
Takes all kinds of racists on either side of the divide
It is not about race. It is about have and have not. It is about people who are reaching for help and answers as opposed to people who think they know it all and are success stories and seek more status..
It is about the healing game.
If you can ever get this message, and see it from my view, Scientology and it’s reason could open up for you. If I wasn’t able to “pass” as a Beverly Hills socialite executive, I would have never made it up the bridge. I had the need, I was able to make the money. I had to shape shift. Now I get referred to as mentally handicapped for “magical thinking”. SKYPE wouldn’t be here without “magical thinkers”.
If the Church CARED so much about others why did they make every everything so unhavable?
A “members only” club sends a prospect refered to DSA if curious?
David always speaks of HIS value. He has never shared a success story. He got involved at age 12. He does not know what it is like to want and need Scientology and not be able to have it and then, you have an ARCX with YOURSELF when YOU are ready to move on but can not because you haven’t paid your dues. Your “next opportunity” to move up turns into a personal assessment of what a DB you are! When you wake up and realize you might not “make it” because you are a broke assed bitch!
I am only lucky in love. I truly have only been lucky in business because I can care about the people in front of me. Once I crossed the threshold of opportunity.I have only been successful in Scientology because I have cared about other people. I am very, very disturbed about the fate of Sea Org Members and what has been made of their good will. Because all of us really cared so much about other people. We really did. We had the greatest love, we really did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX-KPI9G6iM
I am so glad to be out. All this seems so absurd, so out of reality. I had a couple of problems with a recent 2nd hand car, I went to Renault and they fixed for free quicker than expected. They gave me what they promised They kept their word and the service was excellent. That is exchange and if you do it this way, you earn a good reputation and people keep pouring in. If the CoS were selling cars and you complained about a noise in the engine or a faulty part, you would get sec-checked at your own expense ‘I am not auditing you…” and you would have to find an earlier “evil purpose” All this is a nightmare in 1984 style. It is a very sophisticated trap but what is going to happen with the maintenance of idle morgues? with staff seing that the Orgs are empty? with auditors being invalidated because all they did before was not as LRH intended? I see a straight and vertical fall and we are close to the edge now…
The Rock, as an UTR, thank you very much for revealing your experience of the training scene inside the Bubble.
It is just so blatant, so out-there uncaring-and-we-don’t-give-a-fuck, that I’m thinking (seriously), does David Miscavige actually WANT to drive people out of his church, as quickly as possible? In other words, is it now for some reason his INTENTION to have it all end as quickly as possible, so that he can just leave? As I’m 100% sure he already has a plausible exist strategy in place. Could he be actually longing to go, burned out, tired of it all?
Its just hard for me to think with what is occurring on the tech/training/auditing lines in the RCS unless the intent of it actually IS to drive people away, as quickly as possible.
Sometimes the correct answer is the obvious one. Why don’t you accept your own conclusion? It follows from all the hard evidence that is available. Of course he is trying to kill all of it, and he is close to completing the demise of the church.
It’s like buying a frigging Camry, having Toyota announce a full recall based on some safety feature they screwed up, and then being charged again for a new vehicle. Only in the world of Scientology do people actually stand for this nonsense. It’s a remark on just how browbeaten and intimidated current “church” members must be. A transparent perpetuation of theft/fraud against their congregation, and most just sing the praises of the leadership while asking for more. Unbelievable.
Blah, blah, blah, you know you would pay if you were on service. It makes life easier if you do. You don’t want me to route you to the Ethics officer now do ya? New routing form for this one.
Wow, they must think that is quite generous of them to allow a 50% discount in this case.
Technically, if their current course has been cancelled, and students will not be allowed to complete it, the full value of that course can and should be re-credited to account. If the FSO is now allowing the incomplete course to be re-credited, I’d be completely speechless.
What I can say for sure is that out here at CC Int where I’m on course I’m being told that even though I’ve already done Golden Age of Tech Student Hat / TRs / Upper Indocs / Metering, that I will NOT be allowed to pay re-train rates to do them again (50% disc.) because they are NOT the same courses…they are completely DIFFERENT courses. So retrain rates do not apply.
IN-CRED-I-BLE.
It’s still called the Student Hat Course isn’t it? It’s still called the Pro TRs course, right? Deleting materials from a checksheet and changing the sequence of items on a checksheet doesn’t make it a completely different course. It makes it a REVISED course.
So I’m expected to redo, for a mere $12,000, courses that I already did and were assured by RTC were 100% standard and exactly as LRH intended, RIGHT? RTC already passed my perfect metering video, right? Why should I care if the course has been streamlined so that other people can get through the course easier? Good for the other people. I already suffered on through my own Metering course hell. And I made it through. Why the hell should I do it again just because it’s now been made EASIER?
Have instant reads changed been changed again like they did in ’96? I don’t believe so. So why should I do Metering again? Has the passing standard for TRs changed? Was “consistent and continual perfection” changed to “eternal perfection?” If so, I haven’t heard about this yet. So why do Pro TRs again?
You can’t AT LEAST let us have a 50% discount for RE-DOing these actions?
You can’t treat people like this and not expect there to be repercussions. We’ll see what the future holds….
The future in your case would be much smoother with some sane Independent Scn folks who are free of the insanity perpetrated by the Squirrel King, David Miscavige!
That’s nuts!
I looked at the new price list, and it looks like about $30,000.00 to get through Level IV. Possibly plus $5,000.00 for a meter – I’m not sure if the Mk. Super VII Quantum (the “OT Meter” yeesh) is even allowed anymore. Plus maybe another $5,000.00 if they are requiring that two be purchased. Policy is supposedly that you gotta have two, but it was never enforced before, at least while you were a student. I only ever had one meter.
So that’s up to $35,000.00 – $40,000.00 for just basic auditor training. There is just no way any decent quantity of people are gonna do that – especially if they’re already Cl. IV and now have to do it *all* (from the Student Hat up) again.
No wonder the course rooms are empty. They will get emptier still.
Gus
Dear Rock
Thank you for sharing your story.
Good that you are waiting on “clarity” before you proceed.
You will know your what spiritual road is best for you.
Much love, deniece
Wow The Rock, thanks for the fresh data. The radical church is apparently allergic to anyone actually auditing. With all the training you’ve done you could be auditing away, actually helping someone, but nooooooooooo! Stops are the only product, which can only result in severe invalidation of people who are just trying to help others. On the training side, this is tantamount to invalidating clears and rerunning objectives. The only word to describe it is Suppressive!
A few years ago, when my daughter was in college she was diligently saving money to do her next grade. Then the org told her that she had to do objectives first. She said fuck no she had already done her objectives and would not do them again.
A few weeks, later the org staff “found some reference” that a “Flag terminal” told them about. This reference supposedly said that once you start the grades,(which she had) then you need to stay on them.
This is what my daughter wanted to hear and pays for 2 intensives to do her next grade (which she really couldn’t afford). She takes time off work and college. She drives 8 hours with her one year old child, pays for a week in a hotel, and pays a staff member to baby sit.
She goes to this org ready to continue her grades like they promised. But no, now the org says she actually does need to do objectives again.
She again says fuck no! She grabs her kid, forfeits the prepaid hotel expense and drives 8 hours to get home. She’s crying when I hear this story.
The happy ending to this, is that my daughter graduated from college married a doctor and they earn nearly 200k per year.
AND GUESS WHAT DAVY BOY. YOU AINT GETTING NONE OF THAT MONEY!
Dan 351, I love it! THANK YOU for sharing this story. I’m kinda glad they fucked up your daughter so that she would see the insanity and leave and never come back and she ended up in a much better place with her college education and marrying a doctor and they make a lot of money, of which Davie will get none. Anita is right — Davie and his out tech BS is sending people to the Indies like mad and our Div 6 stats are straight up and vertical as a result.
I like that story, especially when she refused to accept the bait and switch. It’s a great example of what has been going on for so long now. The violation of Deliver what you promise creates an ARC broken field.
Speaking of DM’s rectal-cranial inversion: Lamont, is Miscavige coaching you on how to perform a big belly flop in the courtroom, or is he importing others to stick their feet in their mouths?
I always thought I had to pay top dollar at Flag because their tech was SO GOOD and PURE. Then when I had to repay and redo all sorts of stuff there, I knew it was all bullshit.
Sorry if this is a bit off subject here, but go to Tony Ortega’s site. There are quotes from the Tommy Davis Deposition that will leave your mouth hanging open in disbelief. Shouldn’t Tommy have been labelled a “hostile witness”? The arrogant smug superiority of his non-answers and semantic mincing of words and weaseling out of answering the questions just makes you want to slap him. It is trying the judge’s patience I am sure.
From Anandamide, posting on Tony’s site:
“I didn’t work for the Church of Scientology, I worked for the Church of Scientology International! DIFFERENT!”
“His density puts black holes to shame.”
He did his best imitation of “Tommy-Two-Tone church spokesman.” He has not changed one bit from the know-best, smarmy, arrogant BMOC he pretended to be when he was “handling” the media on behalf of the church. Still lying. Still obfuscating. Still being a dick. Still Tommy (even though he now goes by Thomas).
It is ingrained in some men
http://www.scamofscientology.nl/mathison_hubbard.gif
In all honesty
This is a first for me. The Hubbard version of the picture seems to be the real one
A long time ago, I posted an analysis of the two versions on ESMB (IIRC) complete with a neat little diagram.
The photo was lit by a flash unit very close to the camera and on its right side. This is what causes the foreground figure’s shadow to be cast upon the audience directly behind him. The lighting on this figure in the Hubbard version is consistent with this front flash, but the lighting on the figure in the Mathison version is not. Also in the Mathison version, Volney’s shoulder covers up a the hand of a person behind him, which is *not* covered in the Hubbard version.
The equivalent of Photoshop compositing at the time was exposing a piece of print paper on an enlarger twice with different negatives and a pair of masks – the first so as to leave an unexposed area for the image from the second negative and the second so as to prevent the second negative from exposing anything but the unexposed area from the first image. I’d say that is exactly what was done – by Mathison or whomever was helping him.
Micheal Hobson: You are absolutely right, I think I have seen your workand even posted it for good measure on Tony’s blog and on WWP
I mentioned it on Tony’s page already.
The win/win question was unfortunately missing in Tommy’s deposition:
“Did you ever lie for the church?” or “Would you lie for the church?”
Tommy Davis: I take offense withyour line of insinuating questioning
Mike, anyone, what’s a BMOC?
Big Man On Campus
Only they severely brainwashed can endure this bullshit.
Re Dan Koon’s “Nicole deserves a plaque in the Chutzpah Hall of Fame”:
Remember the old definition of chutzpah… Kid kills his parents, then pleads for clemency on the grounds that he’s an orphan.
Well, after 5000 years, that one just dropped to the #2 spot behind Miscavige.
Hi, I am a staff member and I have some good news! Here is a list of items you WON”T be encouraged to buy or ask for because they have been taken off the shelf!
OT9 and 10. Ha ha, we did have it, we were selling it, but we decided two more OT levels was just going to be dev t! Who can keep up with the math?
Hymm of Asia. No need for people to get ideas about not supporting violent leaders.
Primary Rundown. We just deleted any words you might need to look up.
Ethics conditions for staff. (Won’t be added to your Freeloader bill! We believe the Hole is the best therapy.)
Expanded OT3. ( We don’t need anyone’s intention flowing out here but David’s)
Clearing Course books. (Secret confidential why on that one)
New vitality rundown. We don’t need staff running to keep up with the public.
Responsibility processing. David causes it all anyway.
The 2D book. The M.A.A. will monitor your personal pleasure.
Child Dianetics. Kids don’t shop and they are sponging off the public.
Special items from Author services. Devalued completely on Ebay.
Chaplain assistance. The biggest donor is the dispute is always right.
Freebee visit from an ARCX auditor. That shit hasn’t been around for decades get real!
Qual consulting. Ditto.
Integrity Processing. History has proven people with Integrity do not always follow orders.
Crisis counseling. It’s nobodies hat. And you need to be properly set up for a crisis.
PTS Rundown. (Confidential)
Creation of Human Ability book. These should have all been burned. Hubbard cites sources for Scientology (not him) up to 1982 copy and states Scientology is not a religion.
Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun appearing at events. They got survival oriented by accident.
Power Processing. This has been converted to tr’s for a tr2. Per David, Power is getting someone to listen to you.
Co auditing. assistance. Cuts into Org income.
Mission Starter packages. 30,000 in stock and not delivered to anyone, the fraud is becoming out P.R.
50,000 – 100,000.00 special edition emeters autographed by Hubbard after he died. Out tech with the new release. Ha Ha we won!
Ron’s autobiography donations. The money you gave is still in escrow! Thanks for trusting us!
Research and discovery volumes. We just decided to drop the project. Keep the change!
Returned funds of people who die with money on the account. That’s the same as asking for a refund, we know you’re still out there.
Refunds on donations. Too bad if you’ve lost that loving feeling. Now it’s gone, gone gone….
P.S. If you were not properly enrolled it’s all your fault and now it’s going to cost you.
Much ARC! Your local Flag
+1
“Refunds on donations. Too bad if you’ve lost that loving feeling, now its gone, gone…” Cracking me up on this, and altogether you’re on fire, here.
I am so glad that I left when I did.
$5,000.00 for the SRD? I suppose they have to charge that much when you only have one student a month.
Imagined conversation with a Reg…
“Why was my course canceled?”
“Because it was off Source”
“But COB said when he released it that it was 100% on-Source”
“Yes, but later he discovered that it was altered by SPs. But luckily it has been fixed, and now you can get the 100% on Source version”
“But how can I know it’s REALLY on Source now?”
“it’s straight from COB, so you can be sure it is”
“But he said the same about the course I bought earlier”
“Yes, but some SPs tried to undermine COB’s work and secretly altered it. COB has to keep the tech pure so you should be glad he found out about this and fixed it”
“Who were the SPs who messed it up?”
“I don’t know, it’s confidential”
“How do I know it wasn’t one of my friends if I don’t know who they are?”
“Believe me, they are not one of your friends”
“How do you know?”
“COB said not to worry, they are taken care of”
“Are there no more SPs left now?
“No, they have all been found and taken out. And the tech has been fixed, so it’s 100% on Source”
“Says who?”
“COB”
“Where does he say it?”
“He announced it at the event”
“Can I see it?”
“No. It’s not available for security reasons”
“Can I continue on my old course? I liked it. And this LRH reference here says you are always supposed to deliver what you promised. You promised I could do this course and have incredible wins if I paid for it and did it”
“Yes, but it has been canceled”
“By whom?”
“COB”
“Can I see it in writing?”
“No, it’s in a staff only issue”
“Does COB has the authority to cancel an LRH issue?”
“No. But why would he ever do that? He is responsible to ensure every LRH policy is followed to the letter”
“Then, based on this LRH policy, can I continue on the course I paid for?”
“No”
“Why?”
“Because COB canceled it”
This is like something straight out of a Dilbert cartoon…
Unfortunately, very close to reality….
I could not stop laughing at this! An almost duplicate of a conversation I actually had with a staff member! I wiped tears away, thank you!
Who’s on First. ?
– Yes, that’s right. You got it.
* Got what?
– No, what’s on second.
* Why you asking me?
– I’m not asking you. What’s on second.
* I don’t know!
– He’s on third.
* What??!!
– No what’s on second.
(Abbott & Costello – “Who’s on First?” Those were LRH’s times – he was in his thirties then. It was a different world – no Lenny Bruce profanity. McDonalds cheese burgers were under twenty-five cents, drive-in movies were the place to go and “neck,” “pot” was a cooking vessel. John Belushi was in swaddling clothes.)
P.S. No reflection on LRH intended – just letting you know I got your reference in proper context of the mess of confusion over the courses in the “New Co$.” It used to be everyone thought the best, first – today, people seem to look for the worst.
The reg wouldn’t have made it that far, without starting to get upset. Very upset.
But I got a good laugh out of it 😀
By the third line of that you will be getting the stink eye and an ethics chit that would lead to an interview and some sec checks if you decided to stick around.
Yet this was true when I was in from 70 to 82. The grade chart and it’s standardness kept changing standardness. Mayo was the SP then. And so was Otto.
Me thinks DM learned from the Master. When outcomes stop matching the promo, time to find an SP and create the “real standard tech”.
Enemies are great for sales.
In fact it was this change in standardness that created a distance in my affinity for Ron and Scientology. I was so gun ho to go up the bridge. Ron said all you had to do is step on the 100% standard bridge, the bridge was complete.
Then came Dianetic Clear and Natural clear. All of a sudden, that which was scientific perfection that needed no alteration was being redifined.
That got me to thinking: if he’s telling me that the bridge is complete, and then telling me that it wasn’t, and now it’s complete; I correctly surmised it wasn’t standard before. So why should I believe now?
Marty talks about this bait and switch. It has been going on since the begining. By Ron. So why shouldn’t his student DM continue with a great business model. Built on lies of course, but if you are a good saleman it’s easy.
“Money has never made man happy, nor will it, there is nothing in its nature to produce happiness. The more of it one has the more one wants.”
-Benjamin Franklin
The problem with money is there is no definite EP. There is no limit to how much you can have and someone will always have more than you. It is sort of a games condition and a “can’t win”.
Just may $.02.
Miscavige is simply continuing to cut the throat of the Church and all concerned with these make it up as you and charge more as you tactics.
Bad Business practices running together that switch off normal public’s thinking.
The big picture is this is the “New Normal” “We Deliver what we promise” went out in 1982.
When I tell my “Welcome to Flag Package” for OT4 saga people think I am telling a much embellished horror story. Honestly two tours in Vietnam was easier than than Flag..
BFG book sales have been straight up and vertical since the GATII release. Mostly U.S. sales but Kindle versions are flying off the digital shelves too and those are international. I find it amazing that Dave will do what he knows will blow people off and then blame it on those around him eventually blowing them off. Never ceases to amaze me.
He is King Midas with the excrement effect.
well done Marc! Who’d think you can thank DM for you straight up and vertical stats – AWESOME!!!!!!
Keep the TRUTH flowing 🙂
Bruce
Mark when are you going to do an Audio version of your book. I love to listen to audio books while I ride my bike and Rollerblade. Although I have already read it I was also buy the audio version. I already Jenna’s and Going Clear in both versions.
5000 Bucks? Seriously?
What’s on the checksheet, I wonder.
I have here a copy of the Survival RD pack compiled by Independents based on the original Checksheet and there is nothing in there which would justify a price of 5K US$.
While on the Briefing Course some years back (late 80’s) the “new” one was released and although I had it fully paid for we were told we would have to donate more to continue each level. I talked to one of the Sea Org officers at ASHO about this and made the point that by demanding more ASHO was not delivering what it had promised. He took a very cold attitude at that point and basically said, “You’re getting more so you should pay more”.
In Dave’s Church of Sciendollary, policy is just a word that starts with a P, ends in a Y and the letters in between are just fill and don’t mean anything either.
The people in the Church seriously need to wake up. Charging someone mid a course for that same ‘upgraded’ course is a direct violation of HCO PL WHAT IS A CHECKSHEET. Unless, of course, Miscavige re-wrote that policy letter along with all of his other re-writes, to make things exactly the way “LRH intended.” At this point, I hope they are starting to realize that Miscavige can say anything, ANYTHING, and make any changes he wants to any LRH policies or tech he wants, and tell them that it is “as LRH intended.”
You can only point the finger at Miscavige or even Hubbard for so long. At some point, it has to be realized that those who are being fleeced are quite willingly stepping up and handing the sheers to the fleecer and asking him to do it. When the con becomes this obvious, this blatant, it’s time to just walk away.
I’d say their first action would be for themselves to withdraw, however quietly. That in itself is a huge step. Some excuse like, “I don’t have the money” – probably quite true. They withdraw, probably with some promise to do a condition to get the money “to make it go right”.
But they’ll be thinking…and hopefully ala Alice, getting curiouser and curiouser and finding out about what’s really down that RCS Rabbit Hole. I predict it will be a process, as their dynamics are closely woven in with the RCS – employers, employees, WISE, family in the SO, family on staff at Class V orgs, OTC membership, their kids in RCS schools It can be really complicated.
But the first step in the process is to oneself withdraw, with some plausible (and I would recommend) completely truthful excuse.
I’m a little curious about the decision-making process around this 50% price reduction. Seems like David’s instinct would be to let the suckers pay full price. Could there have been any kind of internal debate or deliberation over this issue? Does internal debate exist in Daveyland?
Is their lust for gold so strong that they will desolate their existing public, leaving behind a scorched ideal empty building?
Its time they slip on the one ring and disappear into the Indy field where all they desire is available to them.
Those who are still under the influence of the one “blind” eye, will soon realize the size of your cathedral does not = expansion.
As someone stated earlier, Davey thanks for helping to make 2014 the biggest year of upcoming expansion ever for the Indy field!!!!
It’s only fair. When I visit a funfair, I have to pay for each rollercoaster ride, too.
One F/N too many, DollarMorgue? If your ride breaks down before the end and everyone has to get off, you’ll either be credited another turn or your money refunded, no?
She slips the blade in smoothly with a smile on her face.
If you weren’t active on your TR’s and objectives then you will pay FULL price you out ethics little scum bag.
I remember an event around 5 years ago where miscavige indicated that he was re-working the bridge so Joe-the-Plumber could easily afford it.
5K to co-audit objectives, after paying 3K for the basic books and lectures, then 3-4K for basics courses, then 2-3K for the purif, then, then and then…
Joe better raises his prices if he wants to make it up this bridge.
Hello Sheldon, this is Joe. I heard your faucet is dripping again. For $1800.00 I can take of that and I won’t leave a mess! 1-800-Call-Joe
🙂
Maybe MisClamage was thinking on a new breed of plumber: the cardiologist!
Hopefully this will wake up a few more clams. It is totally idiotic. As someone above wrote – the ones who go along with this crap really do deserve what they get. It can only be the beginning of them waking up and looking for “what’s wrong with this picture”. If they don’t it’s just because all that sec checking has lowered their IQ. Or else they are being held against their will.
Beside the double payment they have to re do it all; I imagine they will have to start from the top of the check sheet and co-audit all over again – as the prior actions were off Source.
What about severe overruns? What about feeling so massy because you already got the EPs on the first and second times?
But if you pay, who cares?
I’m beginning to think DM is the unannounced leader of Anonymous – really. This is yet another opportunity for the remaining few to wake up and smell the coffee. This is EXACTLY what started me on the long road out of the rabbit hole. Forgive me if you’ve heard this before but…It was Flag 2001. I routed in to start Case Cracking, 50 hours. The teenage MAAs eventually had to admit that thinking depressed thoughts as a teenager didn’t constitute being a “suicide risk” (I was 39 at the time), nor was being upset by the break up of a 2D equivalent to a “psychotic break”. Spanking the monkey a few times apparently hadn’t made me blind or ruined my case either. It took a few days but eventually I ended up in the HGC with a Class XII. First session, after set-ups, I will never ever forget the following words: “I am not auditing you”. Having been staff I knew exactly what that meant. I was about to be extensively sec checked, at my own expense. Fast forward to around 2004 and I ask Mike Garside, the FSO Rep for the UK what the score is regarding senior policy (we always deliver what we promise), and how could I go about getting the hours re-credited. After a few questions along these lines going nowhere, then the “Basics” release, I started my own research. The rest as they say is history. Keep up the good work Miscavige – it’s all going swimmingly.
Wow, good story, Martin. I guess the “I am not auditing you” part was the last straw??? Good for you for waking up right then! Did you put the cans down right then?
Martin,
Good for you!
That “I am not auditing you”, Is the ultimate in bait and switch, betrayal and mind control.
As far as I’m concerned it opened the door for what Scientology has become today.
I hope many more wake up to this mind-fuck.
“I am not auditing you” RFactor was originally for HCO Sec Checks done for justice purposes, or for really out ethics bad guys who refused to come clean otherwise. But now it is used routinely and the old days of a Sec Check for case gain alone is nonexistent. Seems all Sec Checks nowadays are “I am not auditing you” ones. This Preface enables the MAA’s to work you over, get you to do conditions, get you to buy books, tapes, the release of the day to use $ to pay your way out of lower conditions. There is an LRH reference where he says actions and deeds are better to do to get up the conditions than just paying money. Can anyone help me by providing that reference?
Hi Jane, Happy to help, and thank you! HCO PL 1 May 1965, Staff Member Reports, Issue I — “Offers to ‘get audited at own expense in Review’ are acceptable as auditing will benefit everyone…A donation or fine would not be acceptable amends…”
Thank you One Point Won. HCO has been squirreling and not applying HCOPL 1 May, 1965 for years by letting people buy their way out of ethics, or worse yet, not throwing rich people in ethics when they were totally dramatizing out ethics and needed it. As Silvia said in the comments some time ago, first DM destroyed HCO and then Qual and then the HCG’s and now the Training.
It took me decades to realize it, but the core tech of “case cracking” is HCO Sec Checks. After all, if you were a malleable cooperative honest preclear, ordinary auditing would work on you, wouldn’t it?
It’s how LRH could get away with claiming that “Standard Tech” resolves all cases.
Because if you’re case isn’t resolving, then all you need is more HCO Sec Checks for the rest of the Tech to work.
Have you seen the show American Horror Story? “A simple lobotomy and she’ll be as compliant as a kitten!” Apparently the girl needed fixing because she communicated too much.
The church has become what they hate, if not worse. My husband told a reg recently that he disagreed with GAT2 and she told him he was being “suppressive” then got so frazzled and hung up on him. I laughed! Some confront of evil if you can’t even stay on the phone.
I have been meaning to send DM a commendation for being our top Div 6-er! He has made the “indy div 6 stats” soar!
Love it Anita! Rock on!
Ahh Anita, you made me laugh. Have a great New Year up there!
David Lingenfelter
Do it, Anita! Lol!
Switching everyone from one process to the next process…. mmm,… cattle prod anyone?.. It’s just hard to believe anyone puts up with this bullshit.
Anyone who goes along with this deserves what he or she gets. Nicole deserves a plaque in the Chutzpah Hall of Fame.
I’m with you, dankoon. There are limits to compassion and understanding. PT Barnum said it brutally: “Never give a sucker an even break”.
Honda just contacted me. Seems my 2009 Civic was put together totally wrong. Good news is that they’re going to fix it and only charge me half the sticker price of a brand new car!
Bat shit crazy!
LRH wrote “Deliver What You Promise.” Back in the day before the FPRD was altered by DM, the untrained and failed auditor, I was on an FPRD Coaudit. We delivered and received lots of FPRD lists. And the org was getting jealous that they didn’t get to sell us auditing and have that GI for their stats. So we were leaned on to stop the coaudit and continue on our OT Levels instead. We refused and kept on auditing. Then an official word came down from on high from DM. All OT Coaudits were banned and were verbotin. No OT’s were to coaudit unless they were Class VIII auditors. My twin and I queried this order. We asked why? (Back then you could ask why without getting declared.)
The answer was that too many of the coauditing OTs were getting messed up OT casewise and needed reviews. But wouldn’t that be good for org business to have them pay for reviews? Yes, it would. But the org was greedy and wanted ALL the money and not just review money. So they forbade all OT coaudits unless each person was a Class VIII auditor.
We wrote a CSW uplines to continue our coaudit because neither of us had had to go to review not even once and we were consistently getting VWD and WD auditing session grades and our pc was happy and doing well and having wins. And guess what? Our CSW was approved! The reference we cited was “Delivery” and “Deliver What You Promise.” They promised us an FPRD Coaudit and by darn, we made them deliver on that promise. It worked and we continued on.
But nowadays that would never end so well. Now Guillame is in the Hole and there is no Int Mgmt to even CSW to. And any query is treated as disaffection and the remedy for disaffection is, you got it, more Sec Checks, and if that didn’t work it was Declare and Disconnection by your family and friends. See what the church has degenerated and degraded into at the hands of Davie McSquirrel?
Great story and win, Jane Doe.
Thanks, Aqua
I see a lot of ARC broken students walking away very shortly.
There is so much wrong and off policy here, where do I begin? There is the LRH ref, “Deliver What You Promise.” It might be titled “Service.” So if they are mid cycle on the old one, that policy means the orgs and Flag have a duty to deliver what was promised on that course, which means switching them for FREE to the new one or letting them complete the old one at the same price they already paid. But of course that would violate “command intention,” a phrase that DM coined to mean do what He says and forget what LRH says.
Also, in the car biz, when a defective thing on a car is found, they issue a “Recall” notice by mail and media and newspapers telling one and all to bring your car in to the Toyota place (for example), and the defective thing will be fixed for FREE. Seems the wogs are more on policy with “Exchange” levels than DM and his minions are.
So if the grades auditing was so horribly out tech and off policy and “not as Ron intended it” (even though Ron wrote it himself), then the new and improved ne plus ultra grades that Flag piloted for years, should be delivered for FREE to all those who had the bad, defective grades before this.
But Davie would never do this because the whole reason he lies about “I fixed up the fucked up stuff from before” is just so that he can get more money in the door by recycling everyone on things they’d already done before. It’s all about the money with him.
“Wog.” Now there’s a term on the level of racism.
Hey Anon, wog is an accurate word. Wogs are so woggy and that’s why they should be called wogs! When they stop being wogs, they won’t be so woggy. They will be Scientologists.
Most of what came from LRH regarding other cultures and races was tremendously racist. This is very telling to be fair.
“racist, Wog” – the same can be said of Mark Twain. Put it in it’s historical context and leave it there. The trick is to learn from history, not rewrite it.
Actually this is not true. LRH was not at all racist if you listen to the many lectures that I have, in fact exactly the opposite. He actually stood for the Civil Rights of blacks in the 1950s and all of the comments that are mentioned on various blogs are taken completely out of context. Do you really think that someone as aware as LRH would be prejudice over the color of someone’s skin?
Thank you Dan K, “Senior Policy” is the Reference title.
Vee Have Vays Ohfffff Making You Payyyyyyy…………