As a follow up to yesterday’s post, this is the latest list of moneymakers for the IAS.
I don’t know David Mauerer or how he came to be the top of the pile this week, but many of these other names are VERY familiar from Thursday Funnies. In fact, the top dozen should be pretty recognizable to readers here.
These are all people sent out to do money-making events that are presented as “briefings” and “news updates” about the wonders of what scientology is doing to save mankind, Clear the Planet or obliterate the psychs.
But those descriptions are merely ruses to get people to show up so they can be pressured to turn over their money. It is a sick racket — these “Field Disseminators” are held up as “humanitarian heroes” inside the bubble. And they are heroes — but not because they do anything humanitarian, ONLY because they collect money. It is the sole criteria used to measure worth in scientology.
Some of these people have been presented “IAS Freedom Medals” — their stories are artificially inflated to make it appear they are having “massive impact” on the world stage or “saving nations” etc etc. It is all smoke and mirrors, much of it set up by the video teams sent to “document” their activities and by the usual hype that scientology assumes nobody will ever challenge. Some day an analysis of claims made for all IAS Medal winners in history compared to the ACTUAL accomplishments would be a fascinating exercise. In fact, if I get some time I might just peruse some earlier editions of Impact magazine to pull out some of the more outrageous claims.
By all rights, the IAS should have been invetigated and shut down for fraud decades ago.
This is a slush fund for scientology abuses based on fraudulent fundraising promises. These “Filed Disseminators” should properly be titled the “I Always Scam” Regges.
Just read an article over on Tony Ortega’s site about Michael Baybak
These Scientology people
All of them
Are godamned batshit crazy.
It’s the damndest thing I’ve ever seen
I think ‘Moving on Up’ is Marty Rathbun and he is here earning some of that blood money from the Cult of Scientology. If that is you Marty Rathbun – get your head together for the love of Xenu. People are getting hurt everyday. What you are doing is wrong and immoral. Shame on you and your cronies.
Do you want your son to get into Scientology? There are innocent families getting shattered and fucked up due to Scientology. Children signing billion year contracts giving up their lives for an evil cult that will destroy them.
Do the right thing – give back the blood money and do your amends project to us.
Start!
I don’t think it’s Marty Rathbun. Not even a bit,
Agreed.
Marty is a backstabbing, filthy liar, but probably wouldn’t embarrass himself here (again!!) by trolling. He already looks like a complete turncoat asshole… which he sure as hell deserves.
KatherinNCali, One correction to your post to add: “Marty is a RICH backstabbing, filthy liar…” He was paid handsomely to turn coat. Right around the time he turned, he bought a new expensive house in a better neighborhood, paid cash, and then his wife quit her job and opened a cake business. No one gets rich off of making pastries and cake. So it is more of a fun hobby for her and she doesn’t have to make it make a lot of money because they got that from DM’s payout. I think they put the screws to him about his son’s adoption. When he was doing the Louis Theroux movie, on break the Squirrel Busters came and made sure to keep mentioning his son and the adoption and Marty went ballistic. So that as the blackmail they might have had on him and then they probably sweetened the pot with cash also. And of course DM always has demands and strings attached to any pay out he gives… hence the videos trashing everyone and everything that is anti DM.
Cindy —
Damn right. It’s very likely that Marty was paid handsomely to lie and deny everything he said about DM, the horrid abuses, and all the horrific things he did to people while in $cientology
Having said that, being blackmailed for the adoption is beyond disgusting… but par for the course when dealing with Miscavige. He’s such a sick son of a bitch.
I think these “top disseminators” are the people with the least empathy. The way they badger and pressure relentlessly shows that. I find it sickening to pressure people like that…especially when they are vulnerable. That guy paid so his parents would have an org when they returned? Who fed him that line? Wow! I used to watch this type of regging in the 70’s and it would make me cringe. Still going on but in larger sums. ugh.
That list should be on the roll call at San Quentin.
With someone named Bubba?
Or the one convict in SQ that no-one wants to meet, Ben Dover?
I thought the IA S is suppose to be used to defend itself ( the “church”) against attacks? If they are what they say they are, as Miscavage puts it , ” we don’t turn the other cheek ” , then why won’t they come forward to speak out and defend themselves ?
Rather then play the victim or attack in the covert manner in which they do? It makes them look very weak and quite the contrary of what they claim to be.
I wonder if they still keep on the pay roll all those high price attorneys.
On another note,.. what’s the obsession with these Ideal buildings? Miscavage must be making $off them some how.
“Rather then play the victim or attack in the covert manner in which they do? ”
That’s a sick attitude.
Robert —
Absolutely. Yes, they still keep a bunch of high-priced attorneys on the cult payroll. Miscavige desperately needs lawyers to hide his myriad crimes and abuses. He’s such a cowardly son of a bitch.
Interesting (or maybe scary) they don’t give any hint how much money these people “donated”.
I seriously doubt that any or many of them actually donated anything serious, if anything at all – these guys are all about how much they can extract from others.
Some have Maserati’s to finance, remember, because that won’t be coming from an acting career that’s been dead in the water for the last 20-odd years, that’s for sure.
It’s interesting that there are no names from the UK up there because they certainly had a reputation for donating heavily when the IAS was in town, particularly in London and especially from staff members (chiefly the Fdn crew, most of whom held down day jobs and were better prospects)
No wonder Pomerantz always looked so pleased whenever he rocked up there. (But not so pleased that he’d forget to remind one and all how he’d nobly put his acting career and family time on hold to make the sacrificial trip over.)
Those of us aware of his 10% take bought the bs with a large pinch even then.
Vultures, the lot of them.
As to who David Mauerer is, I did a quick search and couldn’t readily find anything to indicate why he’d be prominent in fundraising, though he’s been racking up course completions since at least 1999:
http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/d/david-mauerer.html
However, what also shows up is a reminder that a Michael Mauerer was an important figure in the Sea Org through the 1980s, and apparently the son of an RTC staffer name Phoebe Mauerer, if I’m reading it right:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/michael-mauerer-michael-maurer-phoebe-mauerer-jeffrey-scott-moe-howard.29107/
It seems unlikely that someone with the unusual surname spelling of Mauerer, isn’t related. If he’s the son of Michael and his wife, who that ESMB thread says are business owners in Clearwater, he may be Scientology multi-generation royalty with an “in” to reg Florida whales.
He is, AFAIK, Pheobe’s boy.
Perhaps Marty could share his reasoning for Moving on back. It’s OK to change your mind, but…….Wow. What could have caused this?
I think Marty took blood MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Most high ranking officials know so much about Miscavige that they get offered a shit ton of money in exchange for silence. In Marty’s case, I think he is doing extra by attacking all of us who are doing the right thing by exposing the cult of Scientology. Marty must have lost his mind and gone insane. Cults do that to people.
Karma will kick Marty’s turncoat ass.
Mike Rinder – THANK YOU for not taking the blood money. Karma is putting a wind in your sail and you are doing fantastic. We are all happy for you and totally support you. We love you Mike Rinder.
Ha! Not only are they notoriously bad spellers, they can’t count!
27 does not come between 14 and 15. And usually 17 comes after 16.
Howard Becker is 14th?! Wow, Howard! You are slipping! Better pick it up, dude.
Really? #4 on the list is a person in Venezuela? I’ve mentioned here once before that I have personally done a great deal of humanitarian work in Venezuela. People are starving there. They are desperate for food and medical care. It makes me sick to my stomach that these people are being taken advantage of by Scientology.
Audrey Cabrera plies her trade OUTSIDE Venezuela these days.
If they’re regging from anyone in Venezuela, it’s probably elites who have taken advantage of the general population, and have money stashed outside the country or may be living abroad. She might also be working other countries where Scientology has made inroads, like Colombia – where a prominent member was recently accused of fraud.
Scientology’s major donors and whales seem mostly to be involved businesses that range from marketing schemes and boiler room sales operations, to outright frauds – or they’re FSMs, making money off of Scientology itself. Few make real money in businesses that provide products or services of actual value, and the most prominent example who was, Bob Duggan, quietly left in the last couple of years. Hubbard’s own penchant for fraudulent promises, and emphasis on “hard sell” techniques as literal scripture, has left Scientology with a following of promoters and grifters.
According to NYT front page, Venezuela has fallen.
@moving on up
What´s your take on NOI ? (Nation Of Islam)
A swedish woman… Jessika Frykman. Really?? In sweden we hate Siontology and Jehovas.
Hello SE,
Sweden has always been a leader of progressive nations.
I hope and pray that all other nations will eventually follow Sweden’s lead as they have re so many other important issues.
Thank you for reminding us where the Swedish people stand.
Thank you Skyler!
1970- 80 Jehowas and Siontology come to our home with their papers n books. Omg people hated them. I remember my father told a guy from Jehowas he should feed the dog with him if he came to us one more time.
Dad told me he pretected me from a mean cult.
Sorry for my bad english ?
Your English is fine, remember as English is your second language, you spell much better than most Sea Ogres. I like your story of your Dad threatening to feed him to the dogs!
Mark, that is a good one. I love it! Scientology…a pimping pyramid scheme.
O/T. The Independent Reformed Church of Scientology (IRCS) addresses discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
The post also addresses discrimination on the basis of disability, political affiliation, a person’s status as a non-Scientologist (i.e., a “wog”), and membership in another religion.
The entire linked post is worth reading in full, as well as the comments on the embedded MS2 blog.
NOTE: I am not an Independent Scientologist, am not associated with Independent Scientology, and am no assocated with IRCS.
See https://scientologyreformed.org/blog embedding https://milestonetwo.wordpress.com/2019/05/20/the-highest-human-virtue/
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I know of at least 4 homosexual parishioners who were on-lines with the Church of Scientology who were prevented from receiving auditing and treated with ethics and justice because they were in a same sex relationship. This is despite LRH clearly stating in HCO PL 11 August 1967, Issue 1, Second Dynamic Rules “It has never been any part of my plans to regulate or attempt to regulate the private lives of individuals. Whenever this has occurred, it has not resulted in any improved condition. All I have been interested in, so far as Scientology law was concerned, was in removing retarding elements or practices from the path of progress toward freedom. Man is aberrated. Otherwise we would not be here. He is hard to rescue as he has been carefully “trained” to do himself harm. I have no concern about the second dynamic activities of Scientologists save only where they bring suffering to others and so impeded our forward progress. Therefore, ALL FORMER RULES, REGULATIONS AND POLICIES RELATING TO THE SECOND DYNAMIC ACTIVITIES OF STUDENTS, PRECLEARS, STAFF AND SCIENTOLOGISTS ARE CANCELLED.”
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It is telling how scamologists ALWAYS fail to address the Chart of Human Eval and Dianetics vis-a-vis this issue. They are all cowards and liars. In other words, typical scamologists.
This reminds me suspiciously of Hubbard’s disingenuous supposed cancellation of Fair Game, or Christian claims to hate the sin and not the sinner.
I don’t see anywhere that IRCS is rejecting, or even addressing, Hubbard’s fundamental early writings about homosexuals being perverts, and at 1.1 on the tone scale.
Actually, unless they explicitly revise their take on Hubbard’s position towards homosexuals – which of course would open up a can of worms about what tenets of Dianetics and Scientology they were going to be revisionists and discard – it seems to me to leave them in a strange reversal of that Christian position, that they’re not against same sex relationships, but just think that homosexuals are aberrated and need to be processed until they become heterosexual. That would also be a version of the “gay cure” position.
LRH’s writings in SOS did not rule Scientology attitudes completely in the early 1970s. At that time in San Francisco, we had a number of gays on lines. One, an ASHO trained Class 6 was twinning on the new HSDC with his partner (a very “flamboyant”guy, as we used to say). *I’ll name them, Bob Smith and Royal Johnson, as they would each be about 100 yo by now, if still alive, so I presume they have passed on .We had gay HGC pcs, and an openly gay CS on Fdn. Staff, who later did OT3 as an out gay, before he left Scientology (and another Fdn. CS “presumed” to be gay at the time).
Maybe it was just the times or the location , but as I recall, Mario Feninger was a celebrated Scientology gay guy at the time, by ORG himself , and I would guess here were others. One gay guy was the foremost staff member at the “Center for the Arts”, a kind of nascent CC for the Bay Area.
So … the attitudes toward homosexuality were certainly not static in Scientology at this time, no matter what SOS said (and I never heard anyone mention the 1.1 factor during the 70s.)
Times and attitudes did change though, that’s for sure, as we all know.
Joe, you are illiterate. Hubtard did NOT ban homo’s from service. They were online at AO & FSO in the 70’a, 80’s and 90’s. HOWEVER, they could NOT get on OT levels and they WERE considered 1.1 and dangerously aberated by the Church. ALSO, they were ordered to NOT ACT on their homo aberation while taking services. Your delusional memory aside.
Wynski, that is simply not true. My fellow CS, who was openly gay, was able to go to the AO in the late 70s and do his OT3. (I will not name him as he is currently a noted university professor) There were no sexual activity restrictions in those days, at least in my org, though I cannot speak for other orgs outside of California.
Joe, I think “it was just the times or the location” is the answer to what went on in the “good old days.” Dianetics and Scientology drew in idealistic, well-intentioned people who wanted to better themselves and help others out, and they made the best of it sometimes even in spite of the shortcomings of Hubbard’s “tech” and the oppressive nature of the central organization. The old-timers I knew were impressive human beings, who probably had an innate knack for counseling that would have made them successful at whatever therapeutic modality they used.
That also explains why Hubbard and then Miscavige cracked down on the missions and orgs, and sent the Sea Org out to impose orthodoxy – people in many cases weren’t exactly following Scientology the way Hubbard intended. And just as that was seemingly still producing good results in some places, it went badly wrong in others, such as some missions that became sort of abusive little cults of their own.
LA’s Super-FSM Barry Klein is still on the list and active.
What ever happened to him? He used to be a big deal.
Glad to see Michael Phillips not on the list any longer. Perhaps he wised up to what was going on.
Nah — he is attending a week-long seminar on the Prisonwinds on how to make money…
Wonder whatever happened to David?
Prisonwinds. Good one Mike!
I wonder why the monster has never convinced any of his dupes to set up a printing press in order to make money. I’m guessing he could promise them immunity from prosecution because of religious freedom. Shit! They already have all the printing presses the would ever need.
He could probably find several of his dupes that would swallow that. Hell! He may even be sufficiently crazy to fall for this himself. If we can’t put him in the pen for kidnapping, torture and murder, maybe we could get him in there for counterfeiting?
Gosh! I’m feeling kind of creative this morning. I just wish it was something that had a chance to come true.
Moving, what othe “church” pays a commission to members who get others to donate?
Gordon Weir – Good question. NONE! Nada! Zip! No other church charges money for spiritual services. Scientology tricks the feds and tax men into believing they don’t charge money – they have slick methods to call the money paid in for “services” changed to DONATIONS so they can be called a church. The “services” are brain washing courses that teach Scientologist’s cult language and how to not feel emotions and how to control others. The members learn how to be Scientology cult members and how to lose friends and family who protest them being in a cult. That is why Scientology needs to pay taxes and lose their religious status. It is a business that makes a profit. It swindles the system with their sleazy cock roach attorneys. It is nothing but a cult that exploits human being having difficulty in life like all humans do. If you are not vulnerable before you get into Scientology – Scientology will make you vulnerable by changing your beliefs and how you look at the world. It is creepy. Were you in the cult or what interested you about Scientology?
Deprogramming in Twin Cities, not true. The Catholic church charges for exorcisms. Last time I asked a priest (about 10 years ago) it was ~$300/hr. I was also charged for the spiritual sacrament of marriage.
WTF Wynski. Sounds a bit like you are defending the evil cult.
Maybe that priest was a child molester and criminal. My brothers kid got an excorcism at a catholic church and it was FREE. The priest was at my bro’s house for 10 hours. It was creepy and weird but they said it worked. My nephew is doing great and went into the priesthood himself.
When I got married – I went to a Unitarian church and had to pay something for the service. I think you have to help churches financially but the cult of Scientology…well they take it to a whole new level of SCAM.
Charging for a wedding service is a little different than the cult of Scientolgy where slaves getting no pay service people paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to go Clear and there is NO state of Clear.
No dipshit (aka Portland Illegal PC ) I am simply stating fact. Running around attacking scamology for something other churches also legally do will make anti-scamologists seem stupid and could harm the cause. Make CORRECT attacks to be effective.
Seems like YOU want to make this cause less effective introducing lies into the accusations. WHY do you want to make it less effective? Please answer.
Wynski- I mean no offense but I am wondering if you are retarded because you can’t seem to duplicate.
Did Scientology audit and train out that ability? It does happen. I know many bat shit crazy Oat Tea’s who can’t duplicate or communicate. They have lost their ability to have ARC unless they want something. As soon as they get it – WOOSH – gone like the wind.
I am sure you are not retarded and only suffering from the side effects of losing your identity and taking on the valence of an evil, righteous Scientologists. You won’t be able to sue Scientology but you could get some of your powers back if you can confront the truth and deprogram. Check out cognitive dissonance and trauma. You are a victim so I am not upset with you but I do hope you get some help so you can have some peace. May I recommend a treatment facility for cult survivors. They did wonders for my friend who was born in and fucked up from Scientology.
Wynski, you have a point that it’s hard to make a distinction between the financial practices of mainstream religions, and Scientology. There are more things some well-established groups charge for than most people may realize, like pew rental in some Christian churches (originally, it was the norm), to fees for High Holy Day services at synagogues.
One distinction is that mainstream religious groups almost always have a policy of making exceptions for financial hardship so that no one is actually denied services, while the reverse is true in Scientology, which arguably violates the requirement for providing public benefit and makes it more of a private club. And the IRS has actually granted Scientology a unique exemption for the deductability of education, which effectively can’t be challenged for arcane reasons.
However, I don’t think that any religious groups pay commissions on fundraising and sales of services, though non-profits do. I think that ought to be forbidden for religious non-profits, and I think it would have a major impact on Scientology because the commissions drive the ongoing financial fraud more than is generally realized.
I also think it ultimately points to why having the IRS give special exemptions and privileges to designated religious groups is inherently problematic, and they should just be treated the same as other non-profits. Scientology would also probably quickly whither in the face of being forced to make the same sort of disclosures that non-profits do, and having members and outsiders able to analyze how the money is really spent – there is a lack of transparency that goes against democratic principles.
Wynski – my mother was a Catholic her entire life. She loved her church and was happy to donate money for her church like most people. She was a wonderful person who was kind and giving and people loved her. Comparing Scientology to any other religion except ISIS amd ISIL – is not of comparable magnitude. Most main stream religions help their parishioners and do good for the community.
They actually do what they say unless criminal cons are running them and that happens. These religons are nothing close to $ciendollatry / Scamontology. Most mainstream normal healthy religions charge for weddings and funerals, allow freedom to speak and think for yourselves, you can criticize anyone you want and you don’t lose your family. You need help. You have a huge MU on donations and financially ruining people. I suggest you get out your clay and do some word clearing.
When it comes to marriage, those Catholics get you on the way in as well as the way out.
You had to pay in order to get married and then you had to pay again to get out of the marriage? Now, that is some kind of “chutzpah”!
And here I had always thought “chutzpah” was a Jewish word. I wonder if the Jews get you both ways as well?
Key words in this true article:
Scientology = sick racket of smoke and mirrors. Field disseminators = money collectors, fraudsters. IAS = fraudsters. unindicted co-conspirators.
The reason people like Muhammed so and so on the list from NOI and Michael Roberts and others are big time regges for the IAS is that they get the commissions for huge donations and they don’t have to deliver any exchange for it. Not like being an FSM where you may have to work for your money to get the person to continue on the Bridge. With IAS you promise them anything, take the money, and run. No strings attached and no exchange to be gotten in.
That list should be the roll call at thieves’ prison.
It’s a shame you are no longer witness to the tremendous good being done around the world by the IAS. Maybe one day you will wake up and re-join us instead of trying to destroy people in concert with psychotic nutjobs like Leah Remini, Tony Ortega, and Suzy Snow.
Correction: NOBODY is “witness to the tremendous good being done around the world by the IAS” — because there is nothing to witness for those hundreds of millions of dollars they collect every year.
If you can provide ANY independent evidence (something from someone other than the IAS or some other scientology entity) that demonstrates this “tremendous good around the world” I will happily publish it.
“Psychotic nutjobs” is a bit lame don’t you think? The usual monikers used by STAAD League shills are: criminals, bigots, inciters of hate and violence, psych and Big Pharma puppets….
Thank you Mike Rinder. I will second that! There is nothing I have ever seen the IAS do that is good. NOTHING!
Stat said: “There is nothing I have ever seen the IAS do that is good. NOTHING!”
Hello Stat,
That is not exactly true. After all, most everything they do is good for nothing.
To deny the truth would be evidence of brain washing. Don’t you think?
LOL Skyler. You got me there 🙂 Now that I think about it – the IAS is really good at LYING, swindling, deceiving, stealing, manipulation, fraud and bribery. So the IAS has those qualities going for them.
I guess you would know about criminal activity, yes.
The orgs have all been made aware of the malicious financial fraud and legal shakedown attempts going on recently. I’m sure Mr. Miscavige is already working with the authorities to shut it down.
The orgs have all been made aware of the malicious financial fraud and legal shakedown attempts going on recently. I’m sure Mr. Miscavige is already working with the authorities to shut it down.
Ooh, please, tell us more.
“Malicious financial fraud” — surely not a reference to the criminality that has been being exposed on Tony Ortega’s blog of abusing old people and opening credit cards in their name without their knowledge and understanding? If not that, then the IAS driving people into bankruptcy?
If not, what then? Tell us all about it?
And even more tantalising — “legal shakedown attempts going on recently”. Fill us in please. Very interesting. You are being threatened with lawsuits? Where? By whom?
Get your side of the story told here first. I promise, I will post your reply whatever you say.
Mike,
I must apologize for trying to horn in on your conversation with MOU. I should leave that up to you. I want you to get all the practice you can in case the scam ever finds the courage to face you on live TV.
(sung to the tune of “That’ll be the Day”.
Marty…uh, I mean ‘moving on up’ – the people that were swindled and went public all got refunds and then had to sign gag orders. NO ONE inside Scientology knows about the financial illegal activities Scientologists have been doing for many years. No one is allowed to talk about it. It is entheta. Je-sus, Mary and Xenu – don’t you know your tech? I am active and UTR so I won’t lose my family but I know all about the illegal criminal activity because I have not only witnessed it myself in Scientology but then I met some of the people that it happened to and know all of the details even though they signed gag orders. They told their family and friends. They known Scientology will never sue them because they will go public. The truth that makes Scientology look bad is like garlic, holy water and crosses to a vampire. Scientology won’t go near it and they hiss at the truth because it hurts.
Hello MOU,
By all means, why don’t you tell us just exactly what is the good being done by this scam?
All they ever do is collect money to line the monster’s pockets. They do that whether it be good bad or indifferent.
Please, can you give us just one specific example of something good they do?
Please feel free to give us more than one if you can. But one would be enough.
Sorry, moving up your ass. I have been personally defrauded by scientology which claims its right to do so citing protections guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution. Eventually, scientology will lose that protection, the sooner the better.
Mike,
(Re-posting this as my original post must have went off into the Internet abyss…)
What a shocker! ‘Moving on up’ never came back to show us any independent evidence of the IAS doing “tremendous good around the world”.
It’d be seriously funny if this person went off to search for any proof whatsoever outside of $cientology’s claims, only to discover there’s nothing to be found…. because it doesn’t exist.
Wait… what the hell am I saying? True fanatical believers don’t bother with independent evidence because they prefer the cold comfort of delusion and cognitive dissonance.
Proof that the Scientology peeps do, in fact, read Mike’s and Tony’s blogs on the regular.
Hello Moving On Up,
If you’re still moving on up, or, for that matter, moving at all, after reading Mike Rinder’s response to your comment, we out here on the fringes of the internet are waiting with baited breath for your actual proof of all the good the IAS is doing in the world.
All of which, you assuredly have.
Very likely, the problem is that there is just so MUCH proof, such an abundance of actual evidence of all the good the IAS is doing, that you need TIME to compile it – am I right?
Well, no worries, MOU. No worries, no rush. We’re patient.
Feel free to go full LRH on us with verifiable graphs of crime statistics, drug-taking statistics, letters of thanks to the IAS signed by mayors, governors, congressmen, senators as well as foreign officials, heads of state and opinion leaders from around the globe.
Don’t be modest; blast the proof to us shooting from all guns.
Show us how wrong we are, MOU.
I’ll want to be the first to apologize.
You may not believe me, but I’d be very glad to be wrong about this.
In fact, I’m sure I speak for everyone here when I say I’d be glad to learn that, apart from The Church of Scientology’s PR, verifiable facts and statistics exist which show that the IAS is not a criminal organization perpetrating ruthless fraud on well meaning people at all, but is, instead, a generous, caring, dedicated group having a large, global impact in myriad helpfu lways – in short, an organization that more than lives up to its own PR.
So feel free to compile this data, and come back whenever you’re ready, Moving On Up.
We’re listening.
But the graphs must be proper graphs with numbered axes, not wandering lines with nonsense like 2x with no numbers to back it up.
Definitely, Cre8tivewmn.
Did you get that, Moving On Up?
Actual graphs PER the HCOPLs.
Verifiable data, i.e., FACTS as defined in the Data Series. Names, dates, quotes. Simple, declarative sentences stating your facts in present time. No future tenses. No subjunctive tenses. SPECIFICS. Uncooked data. Real, verifiable statistics.
Give us the “Dones” Moving On Up.
Can’t wait!
Hello AM,
I’m saying a silent cheer for you in the hope that this MOU may actually reply to Mike or to you or to anyone, really.
Aqua —
“Feel free to go full LRH on us…”
LOL!
Yipes. No one should ever go full LRH as it makes people recoil in disgust, disbelief, and finally… launch them into uncontrollable laughter.
?
Please name ONE thing the IAS has done to help mankind. With their billions of dollars they could help end homelessness. Instead the IAS crush regges so Miscavige can live in luxury & be protected from lawsuits. Wake up! BTW is that you Marty?
I thought Foolproof was Marty. Lol
Hello Sandy,
I think you may have hit the nail right on the head.
End homelessness? With all their big empty buildings, surely they could end homelessness just by inviting all the homeless into their buidlings and the monster could dress up in a French Maid’s uniform and serve them all tea and crumpits?
Sandy said: “Please name ONE thing the IAS has done”.
I will name ONE thing – the IAS gave us a game to play – an enemy to HATE, take down, destroy and expose
and LRH says we need that
Thanks LRH – lets give a hand to LRH for his “tech”
“tremendous good being done around the world by the IAS”
Yeah, right!
The “psychotic nutjobs” are David Miscavige and earlier on L. Ron Hubbard. Nice name you have selected, “moving on up”; trying to push some button? Lame.
Examples from witnesses:
David Miscavige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5dsOdHftk
L. Ron Hubbard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20nvdIzZbd4
And Hubbard’s “Affirmations” say a lot about how his state of mind was: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmations_(L._Ron_Hubbard)
Wow! Great to see Sarge again after so, so many years.
“Moving On Up” will never answer me.
And the name itself is a red herring.
OSA wants us to think Marty is paying us an attack visit.
I could be wrong but if Marty were posting here anonymously I doubt he’d call himself this.
Another possibility is its not OSA but someone who posted on Marty’s now largely defunct blog. Oracle, maybe?
In any event, the name did grab our attention so well done on that MOU, whoever you are.
moving on up, please provide PROOF of what you speak of.
moving on up, you need to move up much higher before you will learn the truth. Let us know what you find.
I doubt this is Marty Rathbun trolling here.
I was talking about the real truth, the one that will set you free.
Understood.
You know the bar has been lowered to nearly ground level when COS “black PR” handlings include gratuitous remarks from internet trolls. Does COS PR really think this kind of bush league activity bolsters their increasingly insecure position in the professional world? We should all take heart that we’re dealing with inept amateurs. Theirs is clearly not a viable enterprise.
moving on – you are delusional. The IAS is nothing but a scam. Stop looking at the glossy promo and videos produced by the propaganda machine Scientology and go out into the world and look. Walk into your Ideal Orgs and obnose the emptiness. Come to Present Time and confront the truth. You will be the person you wanted to be when you got hooked into Scientology. The organization has taken away your ability to see and think for yourself. Restore your ability to confront the truth by looking and thinking for yourself. The survival of Humanity depends on it
I would love to see the over-the-top accomplishments that are stated outcomes of all this cash flow. Exactly how long have they been attempting to sell the same ‘wins’ to entice people to give more money. I doubt there would be many different ones as they show a marked lack of imagination. So if their claims from 20 or 30 years ago were that they made X, Y or Z happen- why is it needing to be fixed again.
Hell, just look at the number of practicing psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists etc in the last 20 years or so- scientology has done nothing to stop the spread of psychology and the mental health field…..
Kat
Hello Kat,
I love it when you rub their noses in it like you just did.
I don’t think I ever told you how much I love that.
The Org (where I went) biggest donors to the Ideal Org were “Psych Cases” for the most part. One staff guy inherited a bunch of money and became a civilization builder. I think that is a million. He is gung ho, young and drinking the koolaid. One million dollar donor guy, who had received Electric Shock, was bilked out of at least one million of his inheritance. The (now ED) who was only in his early 20’s was trained to manipulate and deceive and crush regg. The guy was going through a nasty divorce and was vulnerable looking for help. They crush regged him during the time they sucked all of his inheritance.
Then what made me sick to my stomach, was to watch them parade him around in a tuxedo getting him to talk about why he did it. He said he wanted his dead parents to have a Scientology Org to come back to so they can go clear. The parents HATED Scientology and put in the will that they did not want Scientology to get that money.
The other “Psych case” was a woman on Psych drugs and was going through a nasty divorce. Her daughter joined staff after meeting dating a real declared SP who was on his A-E trying to get back in good standing. She was a nice, young gal who then joined staff. Her mother (on Psych drugs) was so impressed with how happy she was (the daughter had taken the Scientology bait and bought into the beginning stages of Scientology – where they feed you all of the lies about the help and support you are about to receive. This is the hook. These are the lies.)
The mother was relieved the daughter was doing well so the Crush Regging staff got $1 million out of her. She had never done any courses. She was a fricken illegal PC.
Then, the son of this woman (and brother of the gal who was with the declared SP on his A-E) died of a drug overdose.
The ED of the Org and the guy doing A-E thought they were going to get a big commission because they had “pre – regged” her for another $1 million.
The Planetary Clearing guys from LA came to the dead kids funeral. I was told they had the dead kids photo on “way to happiness” booklets. I also heard the ex husband and father was not VGI’s about it.
We heard the Planetary Clearing Cons got her to go to LA where they crush regged her out of another $1 million.
The ED of the Org and the Declared SP on his A-E were ARCX, to say the least.
They wanted that big commission. I have a mole inside that told me they got a lot of money out of her and she is still on drugs.
That’s some twisted shit! Disgusting!
The Brain – OMG – I know exactly who you are talking about. My family is in this Org and they are drinking the kool aid. Their lives are so messed up. They are living pretty much in poverty, well at least my Mom is. My parents divorced but are still in the cult. I think my dad may be out and hiding UTR. My Mom moves from job to job, rental to rental and man to man. Now she is dating a crazy guy whose mind has been destroyed by Scientology. He was living in Clearwater but is back to the area. His daughter is a nut job. From what the staff tell me, he is half the man he used to be – Scientology destroyed him. They think it is “his case” and his overts and withholds, even though he has done a ton of Scientology. The guy also has a few divorces under his belt. The people from that Org, that got suckered into giving millions, are some crazy messed up people. I have staff members who tell me all about them. The staff make fun of them. The staff talk behind everyone’s back. Both ED’s are assholes and a money grubbing idiots. No one really likes either one of them. I feel sorry for the people still in and have no clue. They have been betrayed and it is going to suck if they ever find out the truth.
I’m curious that Number 19 (and third highest non-US person) is from France, given that the French view Scientology with such contempt that it hardly exists there.
Yep! France doesn’t put up with cult shit. But, it’s not just France…
Hello OSD,
That is not at all surprising considering what a great value the French put on good food and the kind of abysmal crap the scam serves to people in its so-called “functions”.
Gosh, I sure do love the French.
Not surprised Rob “the Shyster” Meister made the top 10 for early May. He was on the MeasleWinds for the extended “cruise”. Everyone trapped. But look, it’s the Meisternator, here to sing you your own custom song – only $25k. There, now don’t you feel better? NEXT!
I am surprised that Micheal Chan and Gavin Potter aren’t on the list. Those two seem to be somewhere every day of the year, preaching the joys and wonders of Lron.
Gavin Potter is an SO Member. The biggest criminal regges (the SO Members) do not qualify as “Field Disseminators”…
What about Adam Viszler who was listed in last week’s Funnies as being the “top Disseminator and record holder in 2018”?
I had heard that the Chan Man doesn’t accept commisions, but in any case he is not an IAS shill.
Correct. Field Disseminator is expected to get people into service and this did happen in the past. New public was coming in and many of them were handled by their Field Member.
Miscavige arrived and with him the tyranny of a sociopath that includes greed and starvation for admiration.
Several Field Staff Members became IAS Reges – or so called Field Disseminators – the commissions were higher and was easy income. Ask Jeff Poemrantz and others.
But, like House of Cards it will crumble down big time…eventually. One day IRS will wake up and take action. Lets keep exposing the facts.
What is the commission amount they earn?
They are like ticks or fleas.
And DM is the biggest benefactor of all.
Aren’t they giving most of their earnings back to the church?
When they do that isn’t someone (their FSM) earning a commission?
Disgusting and disturbing.
Yeah, that is the “angle” that is somehow easy to overlook in this supposed “religion” and all its goings-on – these people are commissioned fundraisers (and, in other cases, commissioned recruiters) some of whom even make their living doing this.
Depending on their level, they get either 5 or 10% commission: https://www.iasmembership.org/field-dissemination/
What a great living these people are making scraping the skin off of people then dressing up in it to parade around.
Vampires.
Hannibal Lecter.
ARE THERE ANY US GOVERNMENT ENTITIES DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS? Does anyone know? Is there any one place we can go with this info?
Disgusting & Distrubing: A Scientology Band.
I like your idea for future delvings.
“Mike Rinder: Keeping them Honest”
I remember the early days and the first years of Freedom Medals – I was bamboozled along with the rest of the crowds, believing the Yuge Akkomplishmentz of these glittering bad-ass pioneers…
I was later friends with an early winner and saw behind the curtain.
I kept going to the yearly medal event, but I’d lost any shred of belief or admiration for the winners, I felt sorry for them. The only thing “yuge” about their akkomplishments is the size of the target on their back and expectations from here on out…
to keep PR in
to keep producing
to do even “bigger” things
to attend all the future medal events and round tables, etc
to live up to “being an opinion leader’ – you now have to ensure you’re always on course and getting further up the bridge.
it’s very expensive too. Fly to SH on your own dime for the events, nothing is gratis, you pay for everything and are looked to for big donos as well.
You have to keep earning that medal for the rest of your life.
You can’t be a slacker at the back of the room who only brings a bag of chips to the events.
Good point, Rip.
It’s a pimping pyramid, with the Planetary Pimping Pontiff being the only real ” winner “.
Gotta hand it to Cap’n Cut-throat: he took hold of the reins of the Hubbard Hustle and has managed to avoid any serious law enforcement raids and has successfully, albeit expensively, litigated his way out of shit time after time, often with non-disclosure agreements included in most settlements, for decades.
Mark, I remember hubbard saying that people had a “low confront of evil” and he sure knew how to exploit it.
All true, Mark, but you know the saying: “Every dog has its day.”
(With “dog” used in the pejorative sense and with my apologies to dogs everywhere because I love them so.)