Here is some expert advice from WISE that scientology could use.
The first line is an eye-opener. Just think of this. Scientology CLAIMS they have a product NOBODY can do without. And they have an absolute monopoly on it. Everything in the business is copyrighted and trademarked to be sure there is no competition. It is not just the cure for all illness, mental AND physical, it is the answer to all problems on earth and in the universe and has the ability to restore you to native state as an “Operating Thetan” capable of creating the entire universe, being in complete control of all matter, energy, space and time.
Now, if that isn’t a formula for unbridled success, I don’t know what is.
But there is a fly in the ointment.
It just cannot be true. Otherwise scientology would have taken over the world.
But, even if you DON’T have that, WISE can tell you how to keep people that you do somehow manage to get in the door. So you had better pay attention.
They can formulate a plan for you to create goodwill. And boy do you need it.
So, listen up scientology — WISE can help you.
The only problem though, is that their “tech” is about as good as the tech for handling all illness and making you cause over matter, energy, space and time.
It does not work at all.
No matter how many times the failures are dismissed by the true believers as being caused by “not applying the tech standardly.” Apparently nobody in the history of scientology has been able to apply the tech standardly…
I worked in tech for over a decade. In my opinion there was a ratio of results of around 30%. It’s that same percentage as happens with placebo in experiments. It worked for some people some of the time. But auditors got mangled constantly blamed for that. Then Hubbard would unveil A new rundown that explained why it was failing. What about the auditors who were mangled meanwhile? It was gross misapplication of his own words on ethics gradients. Dumb sss!
RoseMarie, 30% of “clears” did NOT get the results Hubtard stated. Not even 1% did. 30% of Grade 1 completions did NOT have the ability to make the sources of their problems disappear. Etc., etc. THAT is what would be listed as results. ANYTHING not the E.P. would NOT be considered “results”.
When the stated result of some treatment is the ability to fly in the air even placebo effect isn’t enough to deliver. 😉
RoseMarie, I assume you are referring to people just generally feeling better, rather than gaining any particularly abilities, and certainly not exceptional ones like ability to leave the body, or even having full mastery over the reactive mind.
It’s interesting that after a decade of work inside Scientology, you recognize that what was going on was basically just at the level of placebo effect. Thanks for sharing your insight.
The C.O.S. has a problem of magnitude. The tech doesn’t work so no one can properly apply it properly….
They are really letting down ole’ LRH.
Or maybe LRH let them down.
How do they ever think they will turn that scientology leaking boat around now?
Hubtard was NEVER about helping people and ONLY about making himself personally wealthy. If you believe otherwise you are still brainwashed and have ignored the concrete evidence.
Labor Relations can make or break a company.
“When will they learn??”
NEVER when they refuse to consider any alternative to what they already “know to be true”.
Those “scientology sucks” pictures are GREAT. Thanks, whomever!
Joe asked:
“Uhm … Some reason that WISE is keeping this idea a secret from the REST of Scientology?”
It’s NOT a “secret”, as it’s in the ‘scriptures’ for all to see, but like anything useful, they’ve never paid anything but lip service to the workable ideas Hubbard plagiarized.
The Source of the success of being a good scientologist has always been RonsWill. Rons Will = Goodwill in scientology’s belief prison.
Now that DM runs the asylum, it’s DMsWill that makes or breaks the model scientologist.
In either case, the one thing you’ll never find is YourWill, so long as you’re KSW.
If you manage to rediscover that aberration, you find yourself blown from scientology for good.
Fifty years ago they had a product. It was called training and auditing. It was all scientology did, along with other ‘new age’ spiritual attempts. Some successes, some failures. Social sciences have moved into the forefront and the fixed/dead ‘new age’ movements are dust.
Now their product is to project what they imagine to be goodwill. However, they no longer seem able to perceive the actual effect that their actions have, whether it be good, bad, or indifference. They are deep in the cave and seeing shadows on the walls. They no longer see us. Just sad really.
jim, scamology was NEVER a success. It boomed with the hippies briefly and then started a long collapse around ’77.
Wynski observed:
“jim, scamology was NEVER a success. It boomed with the hippies briefly and then started a long collapse around ’77.
Agreement, but I’d place the start of the fall in ’75, when the Sea Org abandoned the sea, completely. It was reinforced in ’80, when Tubby went into permanent hiding, abandoning center stage for the rest of his life, such as it was.
jere yes, however I’m talking about when an objectively measurable change in the business could be detected. In this case the membership influx reversed. If looking at management changes it would probably date to 1967 at the inception of the S.O.
Jim, 50 years ago they had a product – and high turnover, with a seemingly endless supply of gullible young customers who could easily be replaced with another “raw meat” body if they lost interest or became disapointed with the product, or became disaffected with the organization. Those people also brought with them virtually unbridled, infectious enthusiasm and idealism – though that wasn’t to last, either.
I think Scientology adapted to a generational sea change in demographics, by switching to holding on more tightly to a smaller number of people, and squeezing more and more cash out of each of them. Their control and ruthlessness allowed them to survive when other groups that had depended on the baby boomer youth movement dwindled or vanished.
So Peacmaker,
I would guesstimate in 1970, the turnover was like; 1 in 100 made it past the intro meetings; 1 in 1000 made it to grade 4; 1 in 10,000 made it to class 4; and 1 in 14,000 made personal enlightenment. Give or take a factor of 10.
Your thoughts?
Jim, I’ve heard stories from the boomer youth generation heyday, of org “body routers” who couldn’t keep up with all the “seekers” who could be lured in off the streets just with the promises of Scientology – not to mention the possibility of getting a draft deferment as a “minister.” There may have been times and places that 1 in 10, or even more, stayed for at least a while after the initial pitch, though I think a lot of what they often did was co-auditing and other things that were social and may have seemed beneficial.
The way I look at it, if they had say 25,000 people a year joining and staying an average of 2 years at their heyday, that easily makes a organization of 50,000 average size without much need to work to keep people in, a formula that worked for a few years for other groups like the Moonies (think mass weddings in Madison Square Garden) and the Jesus Freaks (long forgotten, but estimated to have once had 100,000 members and 175 communal houses across North America). But once that influx of credulous young people dried up in what was called the “baby bust” of the 1970s – and the smaller cohort that succeeded them, was more jaded and materialistic – all of a sudden the math got turned upside down, and instead the CofS only survived (while other groups vanished) by hanging on to a smaller number of people tenaciously, and extracting larger amounts of money from those who they could recruit or retain.
When I first encountered Scientology in the early to mid 1980s, they seemed much more desperate to try to get people in, using mass efforts like flyering cars that probably yielded few prospects, and then being more aggressive and high-pressure in their pitch and techniques (remember, “big league sales” was a 1970s introduction). But I never saw enough to be able to put numbers to it.
p.s. Also, their “product” seems to almost inevitably result in a certain number of those involved detiorating mentally, going psychotic, and sometimes even killing themselves or others. That turned out to be a known problem of the abreaction technique that Hubbard copied, which is why professional institutions like the Navy’s medical service stopped using it right before Hubbard incorporated it into Dianetics.
In the supposed “good old days” Scientology managed to sweep those “PTS Type 3” cases under the rug, and even dodge the bullet in cases such as the brutal murder of Sharp and Gaul – not to mention that of the staffer who Marty Rathbun was supposed to be protecting. Starting in the late 1990s, a number of cases including, mostly sadly and infamously, Lisa McPherson, likely lead Miscavige to conclude that that those worst “PR flaps” could no longer just be written off as the collateral damage of supposedly making the able more able (a cynical calculation I suspect that Hubbard had been quite comfortable with, reflected in pronouncements such as “we’d rather have you dead than incapable”), and that he needed to further control and restrict the “product” to reduce the dangers.
Peace maker. Exactly like that.
The continued obsessive eager haste to produce statistics instead of actual products leads to not stabilizing or correcting what you have there.
They are like a swarm of locusts.
Sounds like an ad for click farmers or ‘reputation managers’. A small army of bots can be yours for the reasonable price of whatever you can afford. That bullshit don’t stick to the wall WISE.
Many people go to the movies to see a good romcom; a few go into a Scientology Org to be taken on a roncon.
How do you create goodwill?
Is it love-bombing new clients? Is it asking what’s their ruin so you can present the perfect solution to their problems? Is it promising super-human powers if they buy your next product? Is it performing photo-ops of giving donations of timely goods and services for 5 minutes? Is it posting screencaps of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest while painting all psychologists and psychiatrists as evil? Is it the regular saluting of the dead founder’s giant portrait photograph? Is it weekly requests for money donations, sometimes enlivened with a pirate theme? Is it the billion year contracts with no get out clauses? Is it the ultimatums that their eternity will be at risk if all un-WISE voices are not cut out of their lives? Is it?
As far as I can tell, WISE just tries to put a slightly more friendly face on Scientology’s basic approach of big league sales closing techniques, plus forced loyalty (and profiteering) through advanced payment scams.
If WISE really taught and practiced goodwill and other customer-friendly approaches, they’d end up undermining Scientology by creating an obvious contradiction with how the orgs are run – and how ‘wogs’ are to be treated. I don’t think it’s in their nature or interest to truly implement goodwill.
“state as an “Operating Thetan” capable of creating the entire universe, being in complete control of all matter, energy, space and time.”
That is something they should fear because if someone does see they have complete control of all matter, energy, space and time (meaning they can control what they do, not the cult) they would have the recognition that all of what the cult claims is a bunch hooey.
“The success of your company depends on goodwill.”
Uhm … Some reason that WISE is keeping this idea a secret from the REST of Scientology?
Goodwill! Damn I always thought the right attitude was something else. Like being slack and unfriendly to the people.
However if one deals with a low quality product or service, or this isn’t request by the people, goodwill doesn’t open many doors. People don’t buy from you to make you a favor. Even these wise guys won’t do it.
Let’s be honest.
Goodwill is shredded within moments of coming into contact with scientology…they always want something, some commitment, and pressure you to no end – buy a book! buy a course! start right now! do it before the mysterious time of Thursday 2PM! bring your friends! attend this seminar! donate! buy a membership!
Once you cross their threshold, it is all KSW, discipline, ethics, knowledge reports, handlings, gang regging, and other more serious abuse. Goodwill, bah! we don’t need no stinking goodwill we’ve got source!
Zola. Laughing. “Gang regging”! My God is true. It starts with one and time to time another person adds up to the team. The worst I have witnessed was in the 90s in Italy. Wednesday night. Five on a guy for the full academy. A sixth person came in (a fsm) with PC folder data of that guy (sexual stuff and other financial things) and were used by the gang to make him to pay. He “paid” but the check was from another person there because he had no cash and was supposed to sell a farm. The GI was up. And of course he won against his bank.
“Scientology Sucks”. Check
“Scientology Kills.” Check
“Scientology Works.” It works hard to take your money. Own your mind and free will. And destroy your life if you then expose it.
another critic is fond of saying that $cientology does not work as advertised, but it does work as designed.
Apparently nobody in the history of scientology has been able to apply the tech standardly…”
This sounds like the exact excuse used by every scamology troll that has ever posted on this blog for long. For each of them when cornered in argument it boiled down to the excuse that only the troll and Hubtard could understand and apply the tek. Even with 100% workable study tek.
Proof that scamology participation eventually leads to insanity.
Wynski. This is exactly the point. One get bit by bit insane trying to get results from standard application but there are never exact results. It is always the guy who is ‘flunking’ and the guy starts going into a light hypnotic “I have to make it” .
In addition indies scn are even more far away than corporate scn. A few i know were making some money in the field but just that. They just repeat “lrh said…” and “we are more standard” . But some are as well a bit too much creative and honestly I don’t know if the meter get reviewed by a car electrician. Well if I won’t go to an org imagine in their hands.
When I mentioned that Hubbard on OT VIII really implied that”no one was able to apply the tech standardly”, my thread on the Scientology message Board was shut down in 2008. The indies on the message board just could not have it. Actually, after OT VIII on the Freewinds in 1988, it was one of my basic conclusions about Scientology and Hubbard. Hubbard was going to save the universe by himself because no one could apply the tech standardly even though they were hard workers he said.
Yes George, Ron considered himself a very special thetan, far above the cut of normal humanoid; and he intends to stay that way in the minds of Scientologists with thought stoppers like this: “We will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise above the bank.”
Right George. There is little to no difference between an “Indie” and a COS scamologist. Neither can confront truth. Thus, they are in fact both liars.
(Last) Line from Peter, Paul and Mary song, ‘Where Have All the Flowers Gone’?’:
‘When will they ever learn?’
Hey Belynda!
When will they ever learn? Very hard to say when someone is suffering from mind control.
When suffering from mind control, it is very possible that one can never ever learn. So sad. Nothing much left to do but cry. Certainly nothing much that is legal.