It is a time honored tradition that creating enemies and instilling fear is an effective method of fundraising.
It’s much easier to get money by preaching hellfire and brimstone than to appeal to people’s benevolence to support the good works you do. It’s the difference between the TV evangelist and the Salvation Army. Per capita the TV evangelist extracts orders of magnitude more from their marks.
Scientology has refined this technique and employs it from someone’s first contact to their last dollar. Imagine if you had no “Ruin” and were not convinced you had a reactive mind ravaging you, or body thetans making you insane. It would be very difficult to extract hard earned dollars with the promise they would be vanquished.
Imagine the IAS NOT preaching doom and gloom, that psychs are running rampant, drugs are destroying everyone, Big Pharma is killing people, children are being kidnapped into slavery, education is creating zombies etc etc etc
Or that the society is about to explode and the future of every man, woman and child on it depends on getting ideal orgs everywhere to save them from themselves.
It’s become part of the culture of scientology. There are enemies everywhere that must be stopped. And WE are the ONLY ONES that can do anything about it because we are the ONLY ONES that “have the tech of L. Ron Hubbard.”
Every good scientologist buys into this conceit.
There is a new guy on the block in WISE WUS. He seems to fancy himself some sort of literary genius and scholar of history.
I attach a couple of his pitches. I was originally going to post only the one about the vaccines, but then the Cyrano de Bergerac one came in and I thought it makes the point even more strongly to see a couple of his missives (I have a few others, but won’t push the point too far…
What is so incredible to me is that this fellow seems to think that he is pretty smart and has an intellect that exceeds most. At least he tries to sound smart, as if he is a great thinker and observer of humankind.
And his every thought is a “quote” from L. Ron Hubbard….
It is such a clear-cut example of the inability to “think for yourself” that is inculcated in scientology. Every idea must be based on something L. Ron Hubbard said. And everything L. Ron Hubbard says is, without inspection or thought, absolute truth.
And these emails are also demonstrations of the amazing ability of scientologists to find enemies of mankind/disasters at every turn and use them as a pitch to gather money. You have to admit that tying vaccines into buying WISE services is a pretty ingenious spin. But disturbing all the same.
A few days ago I read a mention from L. Ron Hubbard of Cyrano de Bergerac. For those not so classically inclined, Cyrano was a 17th century playwright, duelist and novelist (in fact, Mr. Hubbard cites him as one of the first sci-fi writers in recorded history, being the first writer ever to propose rockets as a means of space travel). Unfortunately for this brilliant man, his life serves as an example of the perils of socialist theory. But more on that in a short moment.
Cyrano’s life was very highly fictionalized in the eponymous 19-century play. The opening scene is set in 1640 at the Hôtel Burgundy in Paris. A minor nobleman lies dead on the floor, killed by a rapier’s thrust. Of course, you can guess who’s hand was on the grip.
Oh, Cyrano! The Parisian with the peculiarly prodigious proboscis (that is, the Frenchman with the freaky big nose). A great man who forsook the true love of his heart (Roxane) because he considered himself unworthy. Oh, Cyrano! The great scholar who decided to help another better-looking man (Christian de Neuvillette) pursue her by ghost-writing love letters and poems for the lesser man. Oh, Cyrano! The warrior poet who went so far as to proclaim his love for Roxane from beneath her balcony, albeit in Christian’s voice.
A tragic example of the communist principle “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!” popularized by Karl in 1875. And the outcome was just as gruesome and tragic as the Soviet Union. In fact, the Russians should have watched this play when old Lenin got up on his soap box. For in the end, neither Cyrano, Christian nor Roxane got the love that they wanted. And Cyrano, talent and ability and genius notwithstanding, died a broken man, with his tremendous store of love and passion unrequited.
And while this fictionalized account of Cyrano’s life might be lesson enough, the real lesson lies in the tale of the man who famously portrayed Cyrano on the silver screen. It was a man who made headlines a few years ago, and more than 350 years after Cyrano’s death. I am speaking of the highly-acclaimed and prolific Monsieur Gerard Depardieu.
Mr. Depardieu is arguably France’s most accomplished actor. He has completed 170 movies in 6 decades. But in 2012 he really made French audiences gasp and the French administration scream in terror. That was the year he told that nation’s prime minister, in the most academic Parisian dialect, “Adios, amigo!”
The reason? Well, he stated that the primary motivation for leaving was France’s socialist economic policies. Mr. Depardieu claims he has paid $190,000,000 in income taxes over his career, and that the last year he lived there, he paid 85% of his personal income in taxes.
That wasn’t a typo: 85%.
The point is not that income taxes are oppressive (they are), nor is it even that income tax laws that allow a citizen to keep a mere 15% of his production are downright mafia in their criminal brutality (again, they are). The real point is this: an organization, even one as expansive and loose as a nation’s society, is doomed to failure if it does not facilitate its best members to do their job, to contribute all they can to the purposes of the society and its culture.
Though Mr. Hubbard gave many definitions of organization, his most succinct (in my opinion), is given in his lecture of 15 November, 1956, entitled Definition of Organization, Part 2:
“An organization is a servomechanism to the doingness of people. Now, I’ve told you what an organization is. An organization is a group of terminals and communication lines associated with a common purpose.”
He goes on to say:
“Therefore, what an organization is, very sharply, is a servomechanism to the doingness of people. Now, what do you mean by a “servomechanism”? It means a mechanism which serves, services or aids something. That is all that that is—servomechanism. If it is not a servomechanism, it becomes a sort of a monster, a peculiar sort of a monster too, because the monster never does anything except interrupt the willingness and doingness and workingness of human beings. When an organization becomes a monster, it has ceased to assist the doingness of the person and has begun to block the doingness of the person, and then that organization is a monster. It is apparently something which exists which kills people.”
And that monster, whether it be a national government, or merely its tax revenue agency, very often takes on the aspect of a monster: a rubbery, murderous creature rising from a black lagoon, or in this case it is rising up from the river Seine. And it is dead set on destroying all in its path, including cultural icons and administrators, let alone the general population.
While your own business or place of employment probably isn’t anywhere near the scale of a national government, the zone under your authority and control must meet up favorably to the above definition. Either the organization your set up or participate in is a servomechanism, an aid to those trying to get their job done, or it is a hindrance to be reorganized or destroyed.
And when your story is told on the silver screens by tomorrow’s Gerard Depardieu’s, it can either be an epic tale with a joyous ending—full of comic relief—or it can be a horror story sufficient to make the weak of heart suffer a coronary as the protagonist is dragged down to a watery grave by scaly and unearthly demons. It will be your application of Mr. Hubbard’s principles of organization that will determine which it is.
Sincerely,
Sakhi Guma
Executive Director
WISE Western United States
Dear Xxxx,
The little boy ran down the corridor. The man in the lab coat plodded after him.
Somewhere in the whirlwind of his panic, the boy heard his mother scream. He heard the desperation in her voice. It made his little legs pump harder. But no matter how hard they pumped, he knew the man in the lab coat closed the gap between them with each mindless thud of his clogged feet.
Then he found a possible refuge! It was an elevator, and the doors were closing slowly and certainly. He leapt through the doors and, thank the gods, those doors had no motion sensors. The doors closed and stayed closed. He stood up and hit the ground floor button. The bedlam of the corridor and the roar of the main the lab coat, still audible through the elevator doors, faded to nothing as the car was lowered to the ground floor.
The boy stood in a battle stance ready for any attack, in any form, that might beset him when those doors opened up to the lobby. He was scared but he had to try! By all the gods past and present, he would not let them take him without a fight!
The drama that the little boy felt was as real as the screen you are probably reading this on. What, you might ask, was that little boy running from? Well, lean closer. This is going to seem a little controversial.
The boy was running from medical doctor who was trying to administer a vaccine injection.
You see, that kid was a six-year old who was required to receive vaccinations before he could register into the Texas public school system. That little kid a) had no affinity for needlesespecially ones that were about to be rammed into his little body, b) he had no understanding as to why he needed the shots and c) he didn’t take to the bedside manner of the man in the white coat, who seemed about as charming as an African spotted hyena. You know the African spotted hyena, I am sure. It stands about 3 feet high at the shoulder, has the strongest bite of any African carnivore, and is known to laugh hysterically as it rips your flesh apart while it crushes your bones into tiny little bits before swallowing.
In all deadly seriousness, that was the positioning that the doctor administering the vaccines had with that little boypredator! And the little boy wasn’t about to become prey. No, sir.
All the recent furor over vaccination, in California and nationwide, brought the above story to mind. As a result I did a bit of googling and found that, starting next year, all children in the state of California will need to get vaccinated in order to enroll in any school, public and private. While it is not my purpose to engage in any side of this debate (I am loathe to enter any sort of medical or scientific debate regarding the efficacy or the perils of American vaccinations) a few words on this issue from a WISE perspective are in order.
You see, I am somewhat fairly read on this subject, though far from an expert. I am familiar with every conspiracy theory, with the allegations of corruption leveled at Big Pharma, as well as the PR and marketing being pushed through the media at the behest of the pharmaceutical industry. And while my personal convictions on the subject are very strong, this isn’t a platform for me to vent these.
I’m not as expert on chemistry, biochemistry or biology as I would like to be. I couldn’t tell you which was the hypothalamus and which was the optic tectum if you cut them out and presented them to me on a platter1. But I have learned a thing or two about administration and organization, so it is on this that I will speak.
One of the things I’ve learned is this:
“So we find the and foremost thing of organization, of course, would be a definition of organization. What is an organization? But to find out what is an organization, we have to look at what composes an organization and we find that an organization, optimumly, would be composed of communication terminals2. And if we look it over and find an organization is composed of communication terminals, then we decided that a communication terminal had better have a communication line. So we find an organization consists of communication terminals and communication lines associated with a common purpose or goal. And that is the definition of an organization and that is all there is. Now, if you look for anything else, you’re going to … you’re going to go splat against the walls or something. That’s all an organization is.”—L. Ron Hubbard3
So what exactly does a vaccination controversy have to do with Hubbard administrative technology? In two words: basic purpose. That is, basic purpose for a society, and for a government.
You see, if we were living in a totalitarian regime in some dark and dingy corner of the globe, and our most sanctimonious and benighted leader decreed that all citizens must be injected with Chemical 43 or face imprisonment, well… I’d probably shrug my shoulders and say, “What else is new?” And if our despotic and tyrannical ruler threatened me with the loss of my children if I didn’t consent to feeding them Pill 79J every evening, well… I might get a little peeved. But isn’t that what totalitarian regimes are all about? Such a situation would certainly be an inequity, but it would be an expected inequity. They haven’t committed themselves to any righteous ideals in that dark and dingy corner of the globe.
But alas, I live in the United States of America! This is a Jeffersonian republic if I recall things correctly. For twenty-four decades, this country has maintained that the motivation for its founding was the self-evident truth that we are all created equal. This country exists, according to my grammar school education, because all men and women are endowed by their Creator with certain rights which are unalienable; that amongst these rights are the right to life, the right to liberty, and the right to the pursuit of happiness. The author of some of the founding documents of this nation maintained that the whole art of government consists in the art of being honest. That man also said that the greatest calamity which could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers.
He also said that the principle issue he faced in his day was the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite.
If the purpose of the United States of America is to be a place wherein the citizenry would have the freedom to govern themselves rather than be governed by an elite clique, if the purpose of this nation is to be a refuge from the gales of oppression, the torrents of invasive government and the lightning strikes of brutality, then how do such laws as mandatory injections for the entire citizenry come into the picture? If the purpose of this nation is to be a place where people are secure in their right to their lives, are stable in their right to their liberty, and are certain in their right to pursue happiness, then where does a mandate to force a vaccine into one’s body, or into body of one’s child, fit in?
My point isn’t one of medicine or of biochemistry. The point here isn’t even really that I question the efficacy of the vaccines. Not really. The real point is that if someone wants to say “No, thank you!” then that should be the end of the discussion. At least as far as that individual is concerned. And if the American regime, no matter its organization or form, was capable of respecting the right of any of its citizens to say, “No, sir!” then I would predict a long and prosperous career for that regime.
“Evidently an organization is a number of terminals and communication lines with a common purpose. The purpose associates, and keeps in contact with one another, the terminals and the lines. That’s all an organization is. It isn’t a factory. It isn’t a house. It isn’t a machine. It isn’t a product. It’s not a command chart. That’s all it is. And if you look it over in the light of that simplicity, you can actually form one and get one to function. One will actually function.”—L. Ron Hubbard3
And from that we might conclude that, with a little work, even the U.S. government might start to function.
Well, to bring things a little closer to home, what about your own organization? Is it functioning? Are you sailing on the smooth waters of profit and security? Or does your bow dip below the waves from time to time? If you occasionally wonder if you’ll make it safely back to port, perhaps you should review the original purpose of your activity. Does the present organization forward the basic purpose, or has it veered off course?
If the form of your organization is geared to make that purpose a reality, and if the policies that coordinate the actions in your organization actually forward that basic purpose, you’ll make it all the way, regardless of the weather forecast.
_____
And as for that little kid in the elevator going down, his escape plans led him as far as the hospital parking lot. But when he got to his mother’s car, he realized with a sinking heart that he didn’t have the car key. That was still, sadly, in his mother’s purse.
The medical zombies of vaccination caught up with him and dragged him back into their lair. He kicked and screamed the whole way. This harrowing experience happened a few decades ago. Fortunately, the boy did live to tell (and write) about that long-ago experience. He’s still passionate on the subject, mainly because no one paid him any mind when he said, “No, thank you!”
Maybe he’ll have better luck next time.
Sincerely,
Sakhi Guma
Executive Director
WISE Western United States
1. Two parts of the brain. The hypothalamus is engaged in additional involuntary or partially voluntary acts such as sleep and wake cycles, eating and drinking, and the release of some hormones. The optic tectum is used to direct eye movements
2. A terminal is anything that can receive, relay or send a communication. This term comes from the field of electronics where a terminal is one of two fixed points between which a flow of energy travels. Two people communicating are called terminals because communication flows between them.
3. Lecture of 8 November, 1956, Definition of Organization, Part 1
mark marco says
sir, you will address me as hunnie bunnie or be on your way
Stephanie Loving says
Truer Words never spoken: “Every good scientologist buys into this conceit.” That’s it. The “buy-in” that you are doing something MORE, something SPECIAL, something MOMENTOUS. And the cult keeps telling you that this is exactly what you are accomplishing. Along with DON’T read anything about our TRUE accomplishments (entheta). Once you have bought in … tought to work on the mind of that believer to help them see different.
RK says
Scientology is a conundrum. Antivax, but pro abortion; religious views the demand disconnection – anti-family, anti-business, anti-government, anti-right to privacy; punishes dishonesty, but lies and lies and lies. Thank goodness the State of California doesn’t listen to crazies like this when it comes to public health.
Roger From Switzerland Thought says
At school they also ask for to wash your hands after visiting the toilet or that you wear proper clothes. This is against the free will of children and this is a conspiration of the Government , the pharma industry and the psychiatrists to break the free will of children.
Every child should decide himself how to behave. This is real freedom !
mark marco says
and for each man his own adopted religion.
patsheehann says
To Roger: Jezz, are you really that fucking brain-washed, or just that stupid? If you want your child carrying feces and urine filled with germs (E.coli and few others come to mind) on his/her hands back to the classroom, or back home, that’s fine – then ‘home school’ your kids! IN-THE-KNOW, SMART schools don’t want bacteria-spreading kids in their schools, especially around small kids, pregnant women and senior citizens who are known to have low immune systems to fight off such dirty disgusting, wildly-spreadable bacteria. Hey, I don’t want your kids near my kids, either. Fuck that. I don’t want my kids near them, touching them or interacting with them, and then carrying the germs back home with him/her for the rest of my family to catch it!
I don’t want my kids sick because some lazy kid won’t wash his/her hands, or some kid that wasn’t properly trained at home in cleanliness by whomever is raising that kid.
As you wrongly believe, and mislead, kids are not smart because they have “free will.” Therefore, they’re not entitled to make competent decisions about germs. Kids have to be trained in everything! And that goes for the ‘spreading of bacteria.’ Because, if that’s not true, then why the hell did the loony hubbard start his own schools for kids with soap in the washrooms? If kids have “free will,” then they shouldn’t be forced to go to anyone’s school, including lrh’s. And they should not be doing adult’s work either, such as, digging trenches, move rocks and cement for lrh, or the little dick’s ‘dream garden’ for that idiot Tom Cruise, when the kids DON’T WANT TO!!! Kids are just poor little “free willed” SLAVES for the brainwashed! Just ask anyone with a brain! (Try the Scarecrow! He knows!)
Whoever you are, you have to use your OWN common sense and not what you’ve been brainwashed to believe when it comes to INNOCENT CHILDREN by elbumbbard! If your two-year-old’s “free will” keeps him or her running into a busy road, are you just going to call him back and say, “Please come over here?” … OR … Are you going to wait for a vehicle, huge truck or 18-wheeler to drive along and kill the kid to teach him or her a lesson? … No, you’re going to run and catch him or her and take him or her to safety! (At least I hope you are!)
You can shove your thinking that kids have “free will.” They might have “free will’ as you claim, but no little kid makes rational “experienced” decisions. Kids’ “free will” ‘wants what it wants and when it wants it, whether it’s good or bad for them.’ That’s all they do! (Just like “organizations” — that’s all they do!) KIDS are not frigging geniuses! DUH!
P. S. Just keep your kids away from everyone else’s kids, especially mine. Thank you!
Mike Rinder says
I think you missed his Swiss sarcasm…
mark marco says
So somebody comes along and says something here that strikes you as blatantly wrong…
You respond with a vulgar dessimation of his character and intelligence.
It is just hateful.
And why should we act like the enemy of ourselves?
Given lewd attacks are something everybody just wants to turn away from… you are not impressing anybody by attacking a commentor here, not like that, anyway, be it valid or not.
Pat says
To Just My Dear Mark Marko, (Before I begin, were you ever in NYC auditing folks? I’ve been looking for a “Mark” for years. Have you got a pic of yourself?)
Anyhoo, I have to tell you something: As long as me and my family are being mistreated by the LITTLE DICK (and we are being severely mistreated since 1987), I’m going to be as vulgar as I possibly can be, especially to his sympathizers, and/or spies. So, do yourself a favor, just pass my occasional raunchy rants; they’re all I have that get me through.
I feel sorry for you, though. You DON’T know the real world. Get out here, it’s fun!
You know, I never got suckered in as bad as you did, and I never spent a lot of money on LD’s luxuries, but me and my kids have been hurt way more than you! … I learned the third time there what they were up to and said to myself, and I quote myself, “FUCK THEM, THEY’RE EVIL! GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!!”
Lastly, all I have to ask you is two things: Have you ever wrote-up Kirsty Allie for her vulgar mouth? After all, she represented your org, when you were in there. And have you never been so riled up, with your kids being threatened that you never uttered a cuss word or got facetious in your life? Or even if you weren’t angered, didn’t you ever just curse? Are you that sanctimonious? Are you even human? (LOL)
Life’s too sweet, hunnie bunnie! Cuss and get it off your chest! You’ll feel much better!
Pat says
My earlier post that I wrongly entered, I guess:
Mike & Marco, Re: Roger’s post. I call it as I see it. I’m no phony with an LRH dictionary trying to be so accomplished, smart or “cute.” I think on my own. And Mike, maybe I did miss some Swiss sarcasm, although where? If I did, I humbly apologize. I’m not above anyone. I stand corrected. (Unlike the egos here that can’t take it. Keep reaching that fictitious OT 8, folks!) 😉
mark marco says
Well, you do miss my point.
Which is:
let’s encourage people to post here, openly.
I’ll thank you meanwhile, not calling it “my” org.
And carry on, alright? I can ignore you, when you feel the need to imply my life is meaningless.
Whatever gets you through the night. And by that I mean if it heals you, by all means, be offensive. But offend a person, personally, for posting a comment and i will reveal the banality again, like it or not, especially if it should include common language. Look at what you just did. You totally misunderstood the person and shot him up all to hell, by mistake presumably. There is the danger there, which could have been so easily avoided, with the self-control you have so-far managed to preserve after experiencing the ravages of this forsaken church. Is that it? You just want to project to the world how ruined you are? Is that not what you are telling me?
Now this is just going to turn into a worthless rant, back and forth. I’ll tell you right now I’m done with this particular conversation, as you hopefully wish. I do let you have the power of the last word, promising in advance to not reply again. So, go ahead and tear it up, i will toast to your health regardless, and go back to resume more pertinent posting.
How we react to adversity, and criticism, and how we treat people, after all, is a good measure of ourselves. Take that meter and hold it up against this so-called church, for instance. Do let me know if you come up with a better one…
And, yes, good health and happiness to you and your kids.
Pat says
Mark, you’re still not getting it. You’re still too sanctimonious. PS Your “foretells” don’t bother me. So go right ahead and do your best “hit & run.” 😉
mark marco says
look, up in the sky >>> another pointless arrow
(thanks for the invitation)
hey, good to see you cheering up
Pat says
Mark, haha, you disobeyed your own (what?) rule? Not so sanctimonious after all! … LAST WORD!!! LOL
Francois Tremblay says
I’m sorry you are too stupid to make the difference between freedom and licence. Basic hygiene and vaccines are necessary in order to keep everyone else healthy as well. It is not “freedom” for anyone to refuse to do these things. You are not free to make other people sick.
Children SHOULD be free to do what they want. They are not entitled, and neither is anyone else, to endanger other people. But maybe as an ex-Scientology you’ve been too brainwashed to accept that.
I was going to comment on how the writer of the emails is obviously an idiot who thinks regurgitating LRH datums makes him sound educated, but you took the cake.
Roger From Switzerland Thought says
Those E-mails are weird. He is trying to copy the style of Lrh. I’m culpable of the same. For years I was able to talk about any subject of this world and I sounded very intelligent and impressive, until I found out that all my theories weren’t founded on actual knowledge, but just the thinking of a science fiction writer that never understood the concept of science and was so arrogant that he declared mankind as stupid and barbaric.
The writer of those E-Mails is a poor guy and he is really lost in his ideas that are not his own. He is so arrogant and confident in his theories, without any factual basis, that he barred himself of the ability to learn any new things.
I’m so happy that the world sees through this nonsense and I would fight any of those scurrilous ideas when they would have an effect in our civilization.
Who the hell they think they are ?
They are not at all in communication with today world but in their own delusional world.
The Oracle says
One thing these emails do illustrate very clearly, and I have always thought it, the Sea Org is NOT operating on, taking responsibility for, creating on, or part of any fourth dynamic on this planet. It is purely a third dynamic group that is totally out of ARC with the rest of mankind. Can you imagine a Sea Org member making a friend of someone in Clearwater that is not a Scientologist? Never! They might be RPF’ed!! They can’t even socialize with public Scientologists or marry them. Miscavige as a “leader” has led these people into a balled up third dynamic group where they view everyone else as a menacing particle. The Sea Org is NOT a fourth dynamic activity. It is a club, a clique. Where people can trade relevance importance and rank and invalidate the fk out of everyone and everything else on the planet. If the life of every man woman and child depends on that they are doing everyone is totally fked. It’s a lie than anyone’s life depends on them and what they are doing.If they could face that inconvenient truth, they justr mioght have a chance of becoming human and having some value.
1984dejavue says
Oracle, quite true.
It is interesting that they have access to some good theory, but cannot seem to actually use it on themselves.
freebeeing says
Aw, give the guy a break, clearly he’s mistakenly emailed some of his Exec Status I course essays. hehe
Gus Cox says
Good lord, the word salad of LRH and the unfettered dreck of this guy. I need to go wash my brain.
Dawn says
I could only glance at the emails. Couldn’t read them, sorry. 🙁
“And his every thought is a “quote” from L. Ron Hubbard….
“It is such a clear-cut example of the inability to “think for yourself” that is inculcated in scientology. Every idea must be based on something L. Ron Hubbard said. And everything L. Ron Hubbard says is, without inspection or thought, absolute truth.”
Perfect description, Mike.
Robert Almblad says
Sakhi Guma cannot see his true self. He has no mirror.
“Self” is not allowed in the cherch. Sakhi is trying to be his “self” but he comes across as arrogant, artificial and “tries to say intelligent things”. This is not his fault. He is just trying to “be” in a world where he is not allowed to “be” or “self express himself”.
He can’t correct himself because self expression is strictly verboten. In Scientology you work to enhance self, but you can never express self unless it’s aligned with the group. It is a crime to be “self”.
The internet and Google have changed everything. Scientology CAN see itself in the mirror of the internet. It is ugly and disgusting. Like the Wicked Witch of the West Scientology today is saying “I’m meeeltingggggg”
Bea says
Has this guy taken on the valence of L. Ron Hubbard in his attempt at writing like him or what?
burnedbutnotbitter says
Mike, I read on Ortega’s blog that Monique Rathbun won her case just recently! Can you write about this? She has to pay her attorney fees, but did the COS pay her a settlement? I remember she was suing for money as well as a stop to the harassment….probably overshadowed by Leah’s book….thx
Mike Rinder says
The story on Tony’s blog covered it very well. No need for me to repeat it here. Read that story. It was a decision denying scientology’s effort to dismiss the case base on the Texas SLAPP law (to prevent people with a lot of money from using lawsuits to harass and precent free speech). The case is not over by a long way.
burnedbutnotbitter says
K , I did but still interested in what you think….maybe in future….
SunnyV says
If you did actually read it you wouldn’t have been saying “she won” or asking if she received a settlement. The article laid out very well that what happened was the CoS simply one of it’s endless appeals, this one was an appeal to dismiss the case based on the grounds of SLAPP law. The main judge had already told the CoS to gtfo with their motion to dismiss based on SLAPP, but since delaying and wasting the court and plaintiff’s time and money with endless BS is a major strategy for the CoS, they appealed the decision all the way to the TX supreme Court – who finally (after almost a year) agreed with the judge and also told the CoS their motion was groundless.
mark marco says
I am predicting favorable results for that eventual trial, celebrating the recent decision that forces the matter to court, because harassment is harassment, regardless of whatever fat-lipped lawyer has to say about it.
Fancy-ass church and its leadership epitomises the concept. I will personally start a riot if…
[ men in black step in to detain our hero, mm, dragging him promptly out without a word, stage left ]
Kronomex says
After reading both pieces of nonsense all I can say is he is a master of the crappiest pulp fiction I’ve ever read. I REALLY hope that he doesn’t consider, although I get the feeling that I’m wrong, himself to be erudite and a potentially great writer. If he wrote a book I wouldn’t even pirate it.
Leslie Bates says
Galaxy 666 by Pel Toro (R.L. Fanthorpe)is widely considered to be the worst Science Fiction novel actually published. Oddly enough it was also published here in the US by Tower Books.
To quote a passage:
Having become acclimatized to the pink-tinged light, which gave everywhere a strangely roseate appearance, and which had the effect of lulling their senses into a rather dreamy false security, the four explorers looked down at the ground beneath their feet. The ground beneath their feet was a very odd sort of terrain – – though “terrain” is not, strictly speaking, the kind of word that ought to be used to describe the ground of a planet that was not earth. Like so many of the old earth words, it has crept into the vocabulary of the empire. So they examined the terrain.
hgc10 says
That gave me a good laugh, thank you. What planet were they on? Mars? They could call the ground martian, as in mar*shane, except that the spelling needs work, that being confusingly homographic with the eponym and adjective Martian.
Leslie Bates says
I still have my copy but I really don’t want to read it again.
Cedric Y. Berman says
The last bit about the terrain reads like something out of a Douglas Adams novel. So convoluted it’s hilarious.
Robert Almblad says
Off topic but I can’t Google any news on Scientology because Leah is still filling every damned news channel, web channel, religion news channel, foreign channel, political news, serious news, business news, stupid news, ad infinitum.
Hey, Miscavige, now is the time to do anything you want and no one will cover it in the press because Hurricane Leah is filling all the channels. If you ever wanted to get drunk, take your clothes off and drive down Hollywood Blvd now is the time to do it… no one will notice..
And, just in case you don’t know, Tom Cruise could change all this in 2 seconds by defending your disgusting, unreligious religion. He could do a nice “controlled interview” and no one would notice that he is your sock puppet. (Hehe) The press would believe (hehe) Tom because (hehe) he does his own stunts! (hehehe)…
Bea says
Robert, you may have seen in the news today that Tom is “mad” at Leah for “betraying Scientology” on a world class level. Betcha he’s mad at Katie too, for her public apology to Leah.
Dawn says
I read, don’t know if it’s true, that Tom wants to go public, have some interview somewhere, there was mention of Oprah, to vent his anger at Leah. I hope, for his sake, that his publicist says, NO!!!! He’ll make such a fool of himself if he does that and it’ll be similar to the foot bullets Davie is always giving himself.
Who needs the movies?
James Morris says
Oh, Lord!
A pedant or a fool?
Both, apparently. Incredibly, so.
In fact, there is nothing more dangerous than a pedantic fool!
TOOT to OT says
That was AWFUL to try to read.
HE MAY AS WELL HAVE WRITTEN IT AS A TELEX AND THEN SENT IT TO EVERYONE IN ONE GIANT PARAGRAPH.
Reading the comments here – it looks like he’s been puffed up nicely and they are preening and rubbing and fluffing him to be the biggest ____ on the block.
Who would his senior be?
He sounds so full of him self. So important.
Ugh. They’re imploding. Have you seen the FB posts of actual people IN THE CHURCH? They actually don’t have a CLUE about what is happening outside of their prisons. The oxygen is being sucked out of their bubble.
thetaclear says
With all due respect for this post, this “Scientologists” (he certainly doesn’t sound like one to me, neither a robot of authority) has a mind pretty much of his own, considering that he is buying into LRH’s alleged “best” desires for humanity , but is applying his obvious knowledge of history, arts, and politics to what he observes INDEPENDENTLY of LRH’s view.
I just couldn’t find one single assertion from him that I am in disagreement with ; not one single one. I bet $1,000 USD to anyone, that if I can make contact with this guy, I would “deprogram” him in less than a week. Any bets ? I wish that more Scientologists were like this guy ; my job would be so much easier. I actually admire his intellect, and respect his passion. This is definitively not a KSW fanatic.
Actually, I think I will write a letter to him these days. I’ll let everybody know the results of that. Anyone who wants to bet with me ?
Peter
Mike Rinder says
Yeah, I will take that bet.
One week you will “deprogram” him — I doubt it. If you want his phone number I will send it to you. I took it off the email.
thetaclear says
Yes, please do send me his email and tel number. I am bored these days and desperately needs a challenge. :-)))
McCarran says
I’m in.
mark marco says
I would be willing to collaborate in that endeavor.
mark marco says
The mission would indeed require someone who speaks the language.
And I am useless there. But, after he made the leap, I offer myself as a sort of first contact with the real world of freedom. You got my number.
The Oracle says
The U.S. gov doesn’t function but the Church of Scientology government does? Oh yeah, he is part of that Church of Scientology government. And he is preaching like a politician does. He has found his niche. Unfortunately as soon as he becomes “relevant” in the group Miscavige will swiftly unmock him. He may be in ethics right now for actually having an original voice, offering his own ideas, and making harmony with Hubbard.
FOTF2012 says
For any idea Hubbard claimed, it is worth taking a moment to ask from where the Great Plagiarizer might have lifted the concept. His definition of organization is no exception.
A book with the following title was published in 1951, and needless to say, Hubbard was not the author:
“On the Application of Servomechanism Theory in the Study of Production Control–A Study in the Theory of Organization.” (see http://www.rand.org/pubs/papers/P234.html).
L. Ron Hubbard: Hip, Hip, Raspberry!
(Footnote: Hubbard also stole his statistics-based management theory.)
Leslie Bates says
Even thought I have a copy of the Ayn Rand Lexicon (a collection of quotes on various subjects) in arms reach I’ve generally found it better to simply think for myself.
Nezquik says
There truly is no replacement for it.
zemooo says
Gerard Depardieu did a good Cyrano de Bergerac, the cinematography was excellent. But I much prefer Jose Ferrer’s 1950 Cyrano de Bergerac. He got the cadence of the rhymes perfectly.
Using Lron’s word salad to ‘prove’ anything is at best an exercise in circular login. At worst it is an excellent example cognitive dissonance.
Regs gotta reg, just like pimps gotta pimp. Trying to hook up with the anti-vax movement is just one of the stupidest things the clampire has done in the last 10 years. That Sakhi Guma uses the anti-vax stuff to sell ‘self-determination’ for a 6 year old is ridiculous.
Apparently Guma hasn’t heard about herd immunity or what happens when a 10 year old gets measles. ‘Don’t much about history, don’t know much biology’…now I’ve got a Sam Cooke earworm. That’s ok, better than an Lron earworm.
Tony Dephillips says
He’s almost as annoying as Dan Sherman.
thetaclear says
Not a chance! Those two guys are of no comparable magnitude. I’ve always have a knack to spot the special characters since very early childhood. So far my gift has not failed me. I doubt that this be the first time it does.
TC
Volunteer Ministers (@VolunteerMinst) says
“…Oh, Cyrano! The Parisian with the peculiarly prodigious proboscis …”
Oh you asshole! No, he did NOT have a large nose!!! That was added in a play long after his death, it was done *once* in a stage play where they “trod the boards” and slowly over time the long nose became part of the depiction.
These asshole idiot Scientology criminals are fucking STUPID!
mark marco says
Yes, if we may now establish the element decorum.
mark marco says
…despite having left out the word shit.
Volunteer Ministers (@VolunteerMinst) says
The Salvation Army is a hate cult, though. They fund hatred of gay people, it is a right wing Christian Republican hate cult. If you give the Salvation Army any money or donations, you are funding Christian Republican hatred. The SPLC has extensive coverage of their hate initiatives.
Robert Almblad says
I didn’t know that the Salvation Army was doing this… here is snippet with a little more info from Major George Hood:
“2012 — The Salvation Army of Burlington, Vermont allegedly fired case worker Danielle Morantez immediately after discovering she was bisexual. The church’s employee handbook reads, in part, “The Salvation Army does reserve the right to make employment decisions on the basis of an employee’s conduct or behavior that is incompatible with the principles of The Salvation Army.”
Later that year, Salvation Army spokesperson Major George Hood reaffirmed the church’s anti-gay beliefs, saying:
A relationship between same-sex individuals is a personal choice that people have the right to make. But from a church viewpoint, we see that going against the will of God.”
So, when I hear the ringing at the local supermarket this Xmas, I will find another place to donate.
Friend says
Before you have a goal, you should decide about the sense about .. as currently shown in paris, france, some idiots did mean that they have to deliver a show of dead .. which should show in practice how great Allah is ..
How stupid can one be? How stupid are actual scientologists .. they run in own mind something down as evidence which has nothing to do with real living or live .. I think they got too much auditing (sec check) and believe in it that they have destroyed planets and civilisations and galaxies ..
If you ask a scientologist how he has done that .. none of them know about .. how do you brought down the civilisation or planet .. what did you do? There is no answer, none of them was ever able to say ,, I invented a religion .. brought everbody in my believe .. and told them then what an enemy is .. Allah did not go this way .. but some think today he did .. but he did not .. he had only his own idea what god is ..
So is LRH too .. he wanted us on his side against his enemies .. so did Allah, Jesus, and Buddha .. the differnece between is, that LRH told us how we can define the enemy .. and with some mathematic in mind .. per his rules, and the meaning in it .. 99% are not qaulified as a friend .. all are enemies .. so it goes when something comes to an end ..
It was never a good idea of LRH to create an enemy, but he surely did .. and that says very clear that he has never studied the whole track .. he has only studied his own mind
If you read Axiom 1 you will find that he believed he is a god himself .. and you also .. so I wrote long time ago .. if everyone is a god .. who is the god of all gods .. there were never so muxh gods around .. never ever ..
My meaning was called as aberration .. PTS .. SP .. my reactive mind at all .. nice work, but it is not logical to follow such stuff .. I have never seen an OT in the church ..
Leslie Bates says
Was LRH the reincarnation of the Budda? No.
Reincarnation of the Big Mo? Maybe.
hgc10 says
Oh, you’ve never seen an OT in the church.
Did you see one in a house?
Did you see one with a mouse?
Did you see one in a box?
Did you see one with a fox?
Did you see one in a tree?
A train?
Where, oh where, did you see an OT? Anywhere?!?
mark marco says
the cat in the hat comes back
Dawn says
Hgc 10, I’m done looking. I looked and I looked and I looked. To no avail.
This was such a blessing because it decided me to not continue. I could see myself spending my hard earned money (always being in debt because it would be never ending) and wasting my precious time on something that was going to reduce me to having a problematic life which I wasn’t having in current time. All the “OT” scios I knew are/were having problematic lives. I was having a good life. Why spoil it? I asked.
It was my first step out of $cn.
KatherineINCali says
This guy kills me. Aside from his obvious anti-vaccine rubbish, he rattles on and on about “whether man should be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite” and “the greatest calamity which could befall us would be submission to a govt of unlimited powers”. Sounds EXACTLY like the cult of $cientology.
thetaclear says
I invite you to watch Michael Moore’s “Capitalism : A Love Story” , then assert again if you are in disagreement that the USA is governed by a small elite of capitalists.
TC
Nezquik says
I don’t know, my favorite movie with Michael Moore in it is still Team America: World Police
Chris Shelton aka Galactic Patrol says
Sakhi Guma got into the Sea Org just a few months before I did back in 1995. He’s a black man of African heritage who grew up as a gang member in southern Texas before discovering Scientology and being recruited into the Sea Org as a teenager. He’s an imposing figure and was put into WISE immediately after his EPF. For a brief period, he was a D/CO Ethics & Image MAA (by order of Jenny Linson) when they were cracking down on the out-ethics in PAC during the infamous Summer of Hell Mission in 1996 but being quicksilvered (illegally transferred) from his post in WISE, he ended up back in that office. He had no clue what he was doing running WISE and at one point he and I had a conversation about how rough a time he was having and how he was thinking about leaving. I, being the good SO member of course, convinced him to tough it out and learn more policy because he knew almost nothing. He was so green when he first arrived in the Sea Org and it took him years to get his wits around what Scientology was all about.
He was promoted to WISE Int once a replacement was found for the CO WISE WUS post and I lost track of him until I heard about what was going on at ILO when the Basics were released. Sakhi got caught up in the whirlwind of sales and became a key “all-hands” salesman for ILO, touring around and staying up all night long at people’s homes to convince them to hand over their credit cards and buy 5, 10 or even 50 sets of the Basics at a time. Apparently he got pretty good at this because he was doing it almost full time for years.
WISE WUS, meanwhile, had been faltering since he’d left. There were never more than two people posted there and neither of them really had any idea what they were doing, how to run a business or knew the first thing about consulting. Like all SO members, they wing it and prayer it and “make it go right” until they eventually get busted because they screw up on something important. Clearly that happened because Sakhi was put back in WISE WUS and is now running the show there again, probably single-handing it or maybe with one other poor schlep to keep track of WISE memberships and make sure they are regularly extorting their flock for membership fees.
Sakhi has no real world business experience of any kind and never has, so his idea of how to help Scientology and the WISE members he is supposed to be consulting is googling oddball stories on the internet (“See, they do let us go on the internet!”) and making connections that don’t exist. I won’t get on a soapbox about taxes or vaccines here, but it’s standard conspiracy theory BS in the Scientology world to always go against anything the government is pushing out of some horrible and dangerously misguided notion that anything other than total personal freedom is bad, a la Ayn Rand. They have no clue how to actually organize anything, how to run a society or what real science actually consists of, so it’s easy for them to get on a soapbox and push the most irrational and unfounded nonsense on Scientologists, just like Hubbard did.
I feel sorry for Sakhi. He is a good guy who got ensnared into Scientology’s web early on and has been stuck there ever since. He was one of the funniest guys I ever met. I hope at some point in his Googling, some “entheta” slips through the filters and he wakes up. I miss my old friends like him.
Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn) says
Maybe you could give him a call and tell him how good you are doing now that you are out..?
The Oracle says
His book will make the best seller list too. You watch.
mark marco says
say Chris
thanks for coming around. Love the richly thoughtful blog(s).
– Best wishes for Yours, and You.
Mark
ForLease says
Not the place to argue about the fallacies of the anti-vaccine movement. But if anyone needs a resource, https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ is a good one.
Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn) says
“Fortunately, the boy did live to tell (and write) about that long-ago experience.” – so the moral of the story is..? The moral is that he got the vaccine, and it potentially saved his life, since he did live to tell the tale.
If you are going to succumb every time your child says “no”, then you are probably going to have a fat, lazy, obnoxious, unemployed child living at home forever. A child might say no to a vaccine because he knows it might hurt, but at 6 years old he/she has certainly not done any research and/or study on his own to show that the vaccine he was getting would have any adverse (or even positive) affect on him, either short term or long term.
Can’t wait for more ‘Tales from Sakhi Guma’ *theme music playing in background*
Valerie says
So true, at 6 years of age, the only thing the child can possibly fear is the shot needle. But how would that make a good fairy tale?
mark marco says
that happens to be one of my favorite questions
MostEthicalPimp says
“If you are going to succumb every time your child says “no”, then you are probably going to have a fat, lazy, obnoxious, unemployed child living at home forever.” Hey, I represent that!
statpush says
Good lord, where to start…
You could do a blog post for each paragraph of this drivel.
Jeffersonian republic? Really? The USA hasn’t been a Jeffersonian republic since…well, Jefferson.
This guy goes on about totalitarian regimes, yet never realizes it is a member of one.
What form of organization does he think the Sea Org is? Best I can determine it is a malevolent totalitarian dictatorship. Slave labor? Prison camps? Thought and behavior modification? Sakhi is driving 100 miles per hour with eyes wide shut.
Just me says
How silly of me Sakhi to not thank the anti-vaccine parents when my kid undergoing chemo had to stay home because of yours. When 12 of her little friends undergoing chemo succumbed to chicken pox… Goddamned chicken pox because their immune systems couldn’t fight it. I wonder what is CO$ going to do if polio rears its ugly head again…donate your billions to iron lungs??
This fool obviously fancies himself a sci-fi writer… Oh the arrogance!
Robert Almblad says
Many uneducated Scientologists (like Sakhi, who just barely got out of Texas high school) live in mental bubble with no education and no science… and no sense. Talking with them defies logic. They only want money from you. It’s a sad waste of a human life. He could have been someone. Anyone. Now, he’s just a robot.
Aquamarine says
“He could have been a contender. He could have been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what he is, let’s face it.” (Sorry, Marlon 🙂 )
Just me says
Laughing
threefeetback says
Sakhi,
After all these years, you’re still FULL of sushi.
Old Surfer Dude says
Laughter! Now that’s some funny shit!
LDW says
“Therefore, what an organization is, very sharply, is a servomechanism to the doingness of people. Now, what do you mean by a “servomechanism”? It means a mechanism which serves, services or aids something. That is all that that is—servomechanism. If it is not a servomechanism, it becomes a sort of a monster, a peculiar sort of a monster too, because the monster never does anything except interrupt the willingness and doingness and workingness of human beings. When an organization becomes a monster, it has ceased to assist the doingness of the person and has begun to block the doingness of the person, and then that organization is a monster. It is apparently something which exists which kills people.”
This describes both the Co$ and WISE to a tee.
Graham says
Dear Sakhi: tl;dr.
You might like to consider the words of Groucho Marx: “If I’d had more time I would have written you a shorter letter.” Or perhaps find some organisation that claims expertise in the art of communication and pay them a few thousand dol…. oh, yeah.
Aquamarine says
Very funny!
SILVIA says
I think Mike that Mr Guma is actually not talking to people, is like he is trying to prove something to someone; like trying to prove he is good,,,something on those lines.
Robert Almblad says
He is smelling his own perfume.
It’s a Scientology indoctrination that we all suffer from, particularly after 20 years “in” like Mr Guma. Scientology delivers arrogance instead of lessons in humility and caring. Opposite of any Church on earth.
Steve Friedl says
Oh c’mon Mike, you can print five or ten more of them; don’t hold back! 🙂
Jeff Smith says
Agreed print them all. They are a fun read on this sad day. My prayers go out to everyone in Paris.
RogerHornaday says
Using Cyrano de Bergerac as a communistic metaphor is about as pseudo-intellectual as you can get. LOL! He would have done better to use George Orwell. On second thought, nix on Orwell. The horrors described by that author too closely parallel those of the church of scientology. (The THOUGHT POLICE to name just one of a hundred possible examples!) Also, I wonder if Sahki has ever seen what an outbreak of smallpox looks like.
Good People says
The few people who aren’t vaccinated have the majority of people who are to thank for not getting ill. It would be a very different seen if no one was vaccinated.
Jose Chung says
Great picture of Louis Swartz.
Always a thrill to see Large Luis just
not at your doorstep.
Vivid memories of a Financial Police raid where a public doubled over
and threw up crying on the floor that Louis Swartz took all my money!!!!
WISE is a rip off and Sahki Guma should go back to India.
I Yawnalot says
Seriously, do people actually read that stuff? Let alone get motivated to do something about it, and to hand over money because of it??
I found it to be gobbily gook at best and have to admit the only bit that made sense was the Hubbard definition of organisation, but I cheated there, I had read that before many, many times. I remember I saw a movie once when I was kid about a Frenchman with a huge nose and he was lamenting about a girl he didn’t feel worthy of, but I marvelled at his ability with a sword. To take a life lesson from it I did not.
If that is the level of communication within the bubble I once again thank my lucky stars my intelligence level isn’t up to their standard of understanding their written communications. I would last even less time if it was presented to me verbally.
I guess I wouldn’t make a very good scientologist.
Secret societies… that what scientology is to me now, I just don’t get it! But I do see the harm it does… I need another beer.
hgc10 says
(English) Servomechanism: an automatic device for controlling large amounts of power by means of very small amounts of power and automatically correcting the performance of a mechanism.
(Scilon) Servomechanism: a mechanism which serves, services or aids something.
Did Hubbard ever open his stinking maw without betraying that he had the intellect of an eight-year old?
John P. Capitalist says
You beat me to it. Yep, obviously Hubbard never heard of the concept of “word clearing.” He alone got to make up words and meanings, while the his flock had to waste time with nonsensical “tech” to try to understand what the heck he was rambling on about.
This is one of the most pathetic examples of Hubbard’s mangling of the English language that I’ve seen. Nowhere near as good as “enturbulation,” which is a completely made up word but which sounds somewhat cool and you can kind of guess what it means from context. And not as pompous and inscrutable as “service facsimile”, which is meaningless in and of itself but sounds really complicated. This is just a case of a random synapse firing causing him to come up with a wrong word and then instead of picking a better word, he goes ahead and tries to bullshit his way through and pretend he meant to say it.
Robert Almblad says
Damned… that’s funny and true
Valerie says
“He seems to fancy himself some sort of literary genius and scholar of history.” True that.
He fancies himself one so much that he destroys his own prose in several ways.
First: he is auditioning to replace Dan Sherman. He doesn’t understand no one wants to hear Shermanspeak.
Second: his pitches are so long and rambling they lose their point before they get to it.
Third: he is so proud of his intelligence, he blithely makes errors without even knowing it and continues with his blather.
I.e. “I am loathe”
Loathe: “feel intense dislike or disgust for”
Loath: “unwilling or reluctant”
http://www.vocabulary.com/articles/chooseyourwords/loath-loathe/
The best thing I can say about both emails is that the must give the man a creative outlet. They also wear the reader down long before he or she is forced to read the “give me your money” section so maybe they are good.
Glom of Nit says
Also: “who’s hand”.
Roger Y says
Agree 100% with you on your second point: while reading this drivel I had to keep asking myself “WTF is Sakhi’s point”?
Aquamarine says
Exactly. As I read down the page I kept asking, “And your point IS…?” I don’t know a single business owner who after a paragraph or two of this would not toss it into the round file. As if anyone running a business has the time or the interest to wade through this imbecile’s stream of consciousness. Good thing he’s not my business consultant!
Jo says
Oh good grief. First, when Depardieu left France, he was paying 41%, not 85%. One of the Prime Minister’s goals was to raise the rate on the very rich from 41% to 75%. Even 41% sounds very high to us in the U.S., but Europeans typically have a higher tax rate than we do. They also work less, have more government benefits, better insurance coverage and more maternity leave.
Sakhi Guma may be “fairly well read” on the subject but those states who allowed parental discretion regarding vaccinations had a booming measles outbreak this year. Those children who were not vaccinated were not only at risk of catching what is a potentially deadly disease but also put other people at risk for it as well. As a nation, we have forgotten how horrible and dangerous those childhood diseases can be because until recently, no one caught them anymore. We don’t hear about people dying from them or having lifelong complications from having them because until people lost their minds over vaccinations, no one suffered from them. There is no argument against vaccinations in those countries which do not have control over those diseases (mumps, measles, chicken pox, small pox, etc.) They are very much pro vaccination because they are still routinely seeing what these diseases do.
I’ll get off my soap box now. Thank you. It’s always a joy to refute an idiot.
Regraded Being says
Wow!!! Sakhi Guma absolutely hit the nail on the head. I can totally relate to this guy. I once belonged to an organization that insisted in taking the lions share of my assets including present and future income. Once I was describing this organization to a friend of mine and interestingly enough, the word “Monster” kept coming up in that conversation.
The little boy story had even more impact on me. On more than one occasion I experienced that sinking feeling of no one paying me any mind after I’d said “No thank you.”
Although it wasn’t said to medical zombies. It was said to a special breed of people who call themselves Registrars.
I often ponder if we’re just yelling into the wind when we try to tell others what the Church of Scientology is really about and feel like giving up. Then a guy like Guma comes along with a story like the ones above. My hope is rekindled. I’m not alone. This guy knows!!!! He was better able to describe the church in two short stories than I have been in over a year of trying to portray it through cartoons.
Sakhi Guma, I raise my glass to you!!!!
McCarran says
(Eye roll) Well, RB, you beat to the punch, except you said it waaaay better than I would have.
What is it about narcissistic personalities and the church of scientology. Seems like you have to be one of two kinds of people these days to belong to this church. These kind (Guma, miscavige, cruise, et al.) or the controllable type for these guys to stroke (or punch).
Ms. B. Haven says
Regraded Being sez:
“The little boy story had even more impact on me. On more than one occasion I experienced that sinking feeling of no one paying me any mind after I’d said “No thank you.”
Although it wasn’t said to medical zombies. It was said to a special breed of people who call themselves Registrars.”
I have had the same experience with a special breed of people who call themselves sec checkers. It was hard to read the rambling drivel that Sakhi wrote, but I have to agree whole heartedly with one thing he did say:
“The real point is that if someone wants to say “No, thank you!” then that should be the end of the discussion”.
If someone reads Sakhi’s email and doesn’t see any direct parallels to the Co$, they are either completely deluded, living on another planet, or have their heads firmly up their asses. Sakai, please continue your email campaign, it can only serve to wake some people up. We can only hope.
hgc10 says
Allowing that DM, as with LRH before him, is somewhat competent at group control techniques, I would almost guess that this phenomenon is deliberate — the blatant projection of Scientology church practices onto the enemy “Other” du jour. What is does is test and calibrate the cognitive dissonance that keeps a Scientologist on the straight and narrow, weeds out the doubters and keeps the groupthink pure, numb and robotic.
Chee Chalker says
Ha! RB you hit the nail on the head. Replace ‘little boy’ with ‘Scientologist’ and ‘rabid hyena/doctor’ with ‘Registrar’ and you have a ‘Day At The Org’ story.
I read the first letter and got about halfway through the second…..that’s about my daily limit of LRH. The letters are better than most of what we see coming out of the organization…… I only noticed two grammatical errors, but again I didn’t get all the way through….
Perhaps Sahki was channeling LRH when he wrote these.
As far as WISE……if any WISE organization/business would be willing to open their books to an independent forensic accountant to prove the LRH management tech actually worked, then I would eat my words and tell everyone I know that David Miscavige is 5’5.
O/T….how long before we see letters asking for donations for TWTH books to qualm the unrest in Paris… Or how long before we see letters blaming the attacks on the French themselves because they have been (historically) anti LRH.
Bob Dobbs says
Great grab, RB.
Bravebloggers says
And RB hits one out of the park, over the 450 mark and it’s a grand slam!
Aquamarine says
Hey, Regraded, I’m so glad you’ve received such inspiration from Mr. Guma. You may have to change your name to Rekindled Being 🙂
Newcomer says
” The hypothalamus is engaged in additional involuntary or partially voluntary acts such as sleep and wake cycles, eating and drinking, and the release of some hormones.”
Yo Sakhi,
It has been found that the hypothalamus of the average See Ogre member has a couple of additional involuntary acts ………………….. such as …..
1) Raping and pillaging the families of the group members.
2) Extraction of all forms of wealth of the parishoners.
3) Destroying the concept of personal integrity.
4) Lying, cheating and stealing in general to benefit the organization.
5) Destroying lives where they are found to be happy and fulfilling.
Additionally, it has been noted that there are some liquids (possibly related to overactive horror-moan-all) activity” oozing from the Idle Morgues. We have not yet determined if this is due to Leahs new book or just general leakage due to the events of the day.
McCarran says
“The hypothalamus is engaged in additional involuntary or partially voluntary acts such as sleep and wake cycles, eating and drinking, and the release of some hormones.” And if you stay in the church of scientology long enough, you can turn these acts over to david miscavige or some senior; you won’t even need your hypothalamus.
Aquamarine says
🙂
Robert Almblad says
I think Sakhi is losing it. Who would read that drivel anyway. He’s speaking to an audience of one. Himself.
Here’s the closing statement of a letter he wrote nearly 20 years ago:
August 1997 letter
WISE is here to accomplish the purpose of the Sea Org which is to put ethics in in an entrubulated world too PTS to see the true answers and in fact, psychotic enough to attack them.
Love,
Sakhi Guma
Commanding Officer
1308 L.Ron Hubbard Way, Los Angeles, CA 90027
Phone:(213) 953-3310 Fax:(213) 953-3288
Mike Rinder says
Wow, he has been around for a long time. I had no idea. He just popped onto my radar fairly recently. I guess his ability to apply the administrative tech to rise up the org board has been curtailed by his vaccinations or the communists (Karl?) or something….
Robert Almblad says
trivia: quote from a 2007 post at xenu.net about Sakhi Guma start in Sea Org/Wise…
“Yeah. A criminal record is no stop for a good recruiter. I recall that Sakhi Guma arrived into the Sea Org in 1995 at the age of 19 AFTER he got out of jail (for what, I don’t know). He went on to be the Commanding Officer WISE West U.S. within two years. (Sakhi: Very tall black man, african name, but American.)
I bet his long years of corporate business experience were very helpful to his stint at WISE”
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=27713&p=327524
TrevAnon says
This guy? https://www.linkedin.com/in/sakhi-guma-9a212322
Over 500 connections which I guess really is a lot for a scientologist.
SunnyV says
I went to his page and noticed Denise Miscavige profile and it lists her as working for a CATHOLIC university in PA (Also it says she has a Ph.D. in English, which was a new one on me). How did Denise go from a shady Scio landlady getting busted in Clearwater for possession and DUI to working at a position at a catholic university? Wonder what her brother thinks of her working for the school of another (far more powerful and popular) religious organization? Seems very odd……
Mike Rinder says
Must be someone else, she is still in Clearwater. Her and her sister Lori and their families were all just treated to an all expenses paid trip to the IAS event in the UK in order to ensure they keep toeing the party (Dave’s) line…
SunnyV says
Thanks for the update. Such a rare last name and the fact she was “connected” to Shaki Guma I figured it had to be DM’s sister. The fact her posted resume listed a job for a few years in the 1970’s and then nothing until 2012 I figured it had to be her. (Since most Scio’s have a large gap on their resume or they use code words to describe the years of work at the church) Very odd coincidence.
McCarran says
I think Sakhi Guma is living in a world that is too enturbulated and PTS to see the trues answers. Maybe there is some group he could join that will help him unravel.
clearlypissedoff says
Sakhi – isn’t that some sort of Japanese alcohol? I guess it also is a Commanding Officer of some section of a messed up cult.
Mreppen says
Wtf? If I got this email I would think this guy is insane. He sure put a lot of time and effort into it though.
Mike Rinder says
True dat
threefeetback says
Sakhi was probably sitting at his desk looking busy, so he would not have to do all-hands body routing.
Aquamarine says
“Oh, Cyrano!”…Oh, Cyrano!”
Puhleez, he’s one french fry short of a Happy Meal.
Newcomer says
“Either the organization your set up or participate in is a servomechanism, an aid to those trying to get their job done, or it is a hindrance to be reorganized or destroyed.”
“The real point is that if someone wants to say “No, thank you!” then that should be the end of the discussion.”
Yo Sakhi,
Great points but your are on the inside of the test tube good buddy.
The short answer here to your diatribe is: ‘No thanks, I don’t like monsters.’
The doingness here and now: ‘ You are ‘ ..” a hindrance to be reorganized or destroyed.”
Bkmole says
IMHO the new head of WISE tries to sound intelligent and in essence says nothing. Many actors have moved to the states from England as well because of the repressive taxes. The battle between big government using social services to impose what’s “right” for society has been going long before Scientology existed. And despite the cherchs best efforts the world seems to continue in termoil.
Mike, your point about doom and gloom is spot on. It’s endemic in most all religions. It’s particularly strong in Corp Scientology, orthodox Islam, orthodox Catholicism and other hard core Christian sects. I’m amazed that I bought into for so long.
My question is how do we effectively make positive changes in the world that are effective. Doing it through Scientology certainly is not the way. Will any group rise up to truly make lasting social changes. What now amigo?
thegman77 says
The only way I’ve ever seen work is “one person at a time”. Those who are still in “believe”. Belief is far superior to facts in such situations. You’re dealing with the subconscious mind and all the facts in the world will have no effect. As we’ve seen her and on Ortega’s blog…and others…people have remained in 20, 30, 40 and more years before they “suddenly” got the message and left. Many of those were for years in the RPF…and that kind of experience makes things even tougher to rise to the surface and breathe “clean” air. Look how long Leah was in. And she is still processing those experiences. And probably will for some time.
Jeff Smith says
So this guy’s basic and long winded point is LRH is the only person in history to speak absolute truth. Wow. So much for thinking for yourself and being able to say “No, Sir!”
Jo says
It never fails to amaze me when Scientologists quote Hubbard with such faith and certainty. He was a science fiction writer. And not a great one.
amy says
“For those not so classically inclined…..” What a pompous ass!
Fortunately the lies are being exposed more and more. The emperor has no clothes. David Miscavige must be terrified.
mark marco says
I think he may well be too stupid (lacking “sight”) to be terrified,
near as doom is…
Over and again, he displays this propensity for constantly ignoring the facts surrounding what is going on all around him, and the world does indeed revolve around himself.
Unable to process information,
this “leader” defines stupidity, actually, being unable to speak to it as well, again the core meaning of stupid, as speech is the reflection of thought.
Small wonder,
that the church is going down. Regardless of Mr. Miscavige and his intentions, destiny has preordained the birth and death of his prison of belief.
Bystander says
To quote Mike Rinder: “Huh?”
mark marco says
huh
say could u kindly lend me a point, (?)
i just lost my marbles.
thegman77 says
Well, Mike, I can’t disagree about the vaccines. There is ample science now available about their dangers. That they are aimed at children…and the enforcement of them aimed at their parents…surely does not speak to the supposed freedoms in the US. However, that said, using this as a method of fund raising within the scio sphere when those funds will be used to keep Minnie Misc in Lobs and McCallan and further his high style of living, is a crime in itself. (That the US gubmint doesn’t seem to think so is, too, a crime in my view.)
Bob Dobbs says
Good points, G-Man. Just because the guy writes like a pompous ass does not make him wrong on all counts. We are thinking for ourselves now, right? With major whistle-blowers revealing that massive fraud has been perpetrated in vaccine studies, there are plenty of reasons for free-thinkers to be leery of the “settled science” peddled by the vaccine companies, while they make billions in profits but have immunity from lawsuits.
Amethyst says
It’s your choice to be anti-vax. Please keep your children far away from mine so your choice doesn’t spread diseases that were almost eradicated til folks started swallowing incorrect data on vaccinations.
thegman77 says
I’m beginning to believe that this is not a really ethical world. And the same goes for all the food companies selling crap that they *know* is crap. But lots of profits…and, as in the czerch, that is ALL that counts.
Roger From Switzerland Thought says
You’re still living in a bubble, even you’re out of the church. Get a real education….
mark marco says
why, roger, why did u have to say that?
Reason, please.
(need to show how brilliant you are)
Life is a real education,
got one?
wheresshelley says
*Groan*
“There is ample science now available about their dangers.” Really? Where is that evidence?
There IS plenty of evidence that Andrew Wakefield’s 1998 research paper that linked vaccines to autism was fraudulent–he even received funding for his “research” from a law office that was intending to sue “big pharma” over vaccine claims. Wakefield lost his medical license over it.
And that “massive fraud perpetrated in vaccine studies” supposedly revealed by a “whistle-blower” from the CDC (William W. Thompson, PhD) is just another attempt by Wakefield (and fellow anti-vaccinationist Brian Hooker) to stoke the fires of the anti-vac movement. But this, like all anti-vac “science,” is, as they say, provable bullshit.
Jp says
See my post above. I work in a school system and I can tell you truthfully that unvaccinated kids are a danger to children (and adults) that are in Chemo or have immune deficiency problems. To some of those people, they are a death sentence.
Wayne Borean aka The Mad Hatter says
Where’s the beef?
Where’s Shelly?
Where’s the evidence?