A little collection of “WUS Ideal Continent” news and it’s a remarkable study in cognitive dissonance.
First, doesn’t it strike ANY of these “OT Committee” people as strange that instead of making their ideal org succeed, the ONLY thing they are being asked to do is raise money for OTHER ideal orgs?
Take any one of the completed “ideal orgs” and compare it to the “Ideal Org PL” and see how far from the ideal scene they are. You don’t need to look any further than the fact that they are completely EMPTY to know they are NOWHERE. But instead of now doing anything to make their $10 million+ investment pay off, they are being told to go scrape up money for more of the same. Surely they stop and ponder this imponderable every now and then. Even the slowest moron would have to wonder about this.
Here is a small excerpt from the “Ideal Org” PL:
The staff would be well-paid because they were productive.
The Public Divisions would be buzzing with effective action and new people and furnishing a torrent of new names to CF.
The pcs would be getting full grades to ability attained for each, not 8 minutes from 0 to IV, but more like 30 processes. And they would be leaving with high praises.
The students would be graduating all on fire to audit.
None of these things are happening in ANY of these “ideal” orgs.
Do any of these poor suckers realize that IF they ever get “WUS” done they are going to become part of the “US Alliance” to have the first “ideal country” and then they will be part of the “North American Alliance” to complete the first “ideal geographical continent” (including Canada and Mexico — no orgs in any other North American country…). Then it will be the “Americas Alliance”. And by then, there won’t be anyone left at all.
The next one is very revealing:
How can Salt Lake City be on the line up before VALLEY?
Or Silicon Valley for that matter?
They have been raising money in the two largest concentrations of Scientologists on earth and cannot get their ideal orgs done? Meanwhile, this traditionally tiny org in LDS HQ is “next up”? What sort of planning is this? Well, it has NOTHING to do with expansion and ONLY to do with money raised. If anyone REALLY cared about doing anything with scientology their focus would be on Austin, St Louis, Kansas City and San Diego. Why? Because Austin is a LARGE city but also a music capital of the world and a city of enormous influence in the largest state in the nation. Dallas is dead, maybe Austin could then rally up some interest and get an org in Houston and San Antonio — 4th and 7th largest cities in the US and the two largest cities in the US without an org. San Diego is the 8th largest city and already has a relatively large scientology population as a bleed off from LA. St Louis and Kansas City because they are the ONLY ORGS in the entire MIDWEST. They are supposed to service about half of the ENTIRE UNITED STATES.
The very fact that there has not be a single new org in the United States in recent memory — not just a new building for an existing org (Salt Lake City may be the newest? Or Los Gatos when it was taken over and turned into an org because the Mission Holder Joey Alessandrini was going to be put in jail by the IRS for massive financial fraud) is proof that this “strategy” is NOT working. 11 years and counting and still no orgs in some of the biggest cities in the US — the aforementioned, but also Indianapolis and Jacksonville that are both in the top 15.
And there are still 27 STATES in the US that have never had an org — including 9 in “WUS”…
But no mention of this. Just rah rah to keep the money coming in.
I wonder what will happen if they actually did get all their orgs “ideal” and STILL they didn’t make 10 Clears or Class V’s a week? Probably because they made 10 and used to only do 5 they be shouting about how they are straight up and vertically “clearing their continent” while not even keeping up with 1% of the net increase in population.
Maybe what they are really going for is the status of “First ideally deluded continent”?
If Los Angeles is the “Scientology Capital of the World”, then it’s a very small world and an even smaller one inside indeed.
I don’t believe all these Ideal Orgs ar empty.
I think as none of us have had the benefit of GAT II technology and rcyling the entire bridge several times we simply cannot trust our perceptions of what actually is.
I got into Scientology in Salt Lake City in 1984. I was introduced by the the Goods. Bret and I attended school together. I joined staff and than the sea org. I felt I was in a vortex I couldn’t get out of. It was crazy, I was around upstat Scientologists and than I joined the group that was going to save the planet yet I could never understand why we live in such deplorable conditions. I’m glad I finally got out and eventually read Robert Vaughn youngs account and that was the first part of realizing I’d been duped.
Just when you think you’re done shelling out the cash… 2:01pm Thursday rolls around! New week! Screw what you did last week! If you don’t mortgage your house and give give give it all to us by THIS Thursday at 2, the world will end!!!! Yeah, Pasadena’s a DONE (puke) but now it’s VALLEY!!!
Christ, even their phraseology sounds like fucking Amway (the next org to “Go IDEAL”), like Amway’s big “GO DIAMOND” weekends. Gawd, how bloody miserable.
Mike, you have a knack for observing the obvious.
“…and when you combine the number of Sec checks, KR’s and SP Declares in the last five years, this is also highest ever making the last fifty years look like mere child’s play in the grand scheme of our expansion plans. Moreover, with anti-Scientology hate sites straight up and vertical and current staff and public exhibiting monumental levels of fear and amazement for our programs in ever increasing amounts, not to mention more hits on the Internet in the last week regarding our campaigns compared with all previous decades combined, we are indeed entering a true goldenrod age that future generations will be talking about in eons to come, giving a massively quantum leap of planetary inflation with numbers you can’t get into an earth calculator. And that’s what we mean when we say we are clearing the planet.”
Excerpt of a very special message from COB RTC, Mr. David Miscavige
The new campaign is really about ‘sharing the whales’. Why be a ‘patron maximus stupidus’ in only Silicon Valley when you can be one in Salt Lake City too. Buffalo NY and Cambridge Ontario have the same sharing agreement. I think it means you get reged by both teams for both mOrgs. Just another sign of the clampocolypse, not enough public paying for courses, not enough business to keep auditors and C/S working,
The missions and lower level churches used to be good at getting new meat. That is where expansion came from. That is where the large dropout rate was replaced with new clams. When Lron and Davy cut the mission holders out the pyramid scam they were maximizing profit for the short term goal of really filling Lrons pockets. Now Davy doesn’t know what else to do, everything is short term profit and IAS donations have very little overhead, hell, do they even pay commissions on that anymore?
Hubbard started running things into the ground and Davy has done a fine job of continuing that practice. Keeping things going for 30 years after Lrons death was not easy, but by SP declare and ethics handling, he did it. The question is, can DM keep the doors open in the near term future? CO$ may have deep pockets, but they don’t ever touch the principal keep in off shore banks.
Why did DM cut down the Sea Arggghhh and clear out Hemet and LA? To reduce overhead. Yeah, the SO was not expensive, but they were overhead. Davy is doing everything he can to keep overhead under current expenses. That is the only the scam can continue.
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What is teamsmanship?
Answer:
teamsmanship is a characteristic of being a good sport
This prior answer, listed above, is incorrect. There is no such word as Teamsmanship at this time. This word is Urban slang and should be considered such. However, if the English Standard were to ever accept this word as part of their vernacular this could imply both the positive and negative. So be careful how you use slang as the word may be associated with near or like words that have a negative connotation.
If English rules apply than the answer may look something like:
Teamsmanship
Pronunciation: \ˈtēmz-mən-ˌship\
Function: ‘noun’
Date: 2009
1 : the art or practice of attempting to make your team the strongest competitor by the use of questionable influence, over zealous expedients, or brute force without trying to actually violate any rules or laws.
2 : the use of ethically dubious methods in a group setting to gain an objective
*Note: If the English Standard Language ever accepts the use of this slang term, which has been known to happen, (see Yada-Yada-Yada a.k.a ‘Empty Talk’) then a third definition may be installed. This is the meaning in which the prior post was trying to imply.
Function:
‘noun’
3 : the characteristic of one denoted as a “good” team player or one who may exhibit thoughtfulness in the spirit of group function.
Man, what a load of crap.
Interesting that Salt Lake City is in the line up for an ideal org. There’s been a very prolonged bankruptcy, and civil lawsuit involving key SLC CoS people and the SLC Mission going on there for years. There was even a criminal case involved in the mess somewhere. This building campaign no longer seems to have anything to do with religion, it is a real estate investment scheme to tie up church money. To what end? Who invests in building empty buildings?
Conspicuously missing from those lists are the 2 orgs in Michigan – Detroit and Battle Creek, despite Battle Creek having bought their own historic building right in the middle of downtown, for a good price, many years ago. They worked 24/7 for years to renovate it. It is very obvious the IAS/COB contributed absolutely nothing to the endeavor, in fact milking them endlessly through IAS events during that time. They were basically left to twist slowly in the wind.
Those are “EUS” Orgs — they are east of the Mississippi.
Thanks Mike. I was thinking they might be considered ‘Midwestern’, although we Michiganders don’t consider ourselves such.
The numbers of stat trends tell the story.
Expansion versus contraction. Public leaving Scientology
to zero public will happen far before any area is clear.
Shakeup in real estate will occur before zero point.
Variable is mounting lawsuits.
It sucks to be Mscavige
Where’s the End of Endless Fundraising RD? And what’s up with that guy in the Superman pajamas! (cringe)
Well at least I finally understand how Miscavige can say that Scientology has no dealings in the State of Texas. They consider Texas a Country. It all makes sense now.
Mike, Have ever been able to get an Org in the Southeastern states? Florida doesn’t count, because it is just displaced New York! 🙂 I am talking about the areas covering Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, N.C, S.C, Tennessee, Kentucky, Louisiana, Arkansas, Virginia, or even Missouri? And if so, why not? Have they even tried? Thanks for all you do!
Atlanta is the only one I know of and cannot recall when that began.
Traditionally orgs grew out of missions. But there has been no effort to make orgs for 30 years or so. New Orleans (maybe its Baton Rouge?) and Houston have had missions for a long time. Memphis had a very prominent one until it was no longer subsiudized by Isaac Hayes and Lisa Marie Presley.
The only other guess I have is that it is the bible belt.
The last truly new orgs in the world were Kaoshuing and Athens. Sometime in the 90’s. Guillaume really pushed those and took a lot of heat for it from Miscavige because they were not “real orgs.”
Nobody has had any interest in new orgs since then.
Pathological…I mean…pathetic.
Technically Kansas City and St Louis are in Missouri. I don’t know why they made it there despite the Bible belt. The other states especially the deep South are too poor and too strongly Christian. Especially SC, NC, MS, AL, and GA except for Atlanta.
Also weird is that they used a picture for the “Future Home of the SLC Org” that isn’t the building that they are apparently trying to buy (at least according to the “saltythetans.com” website that is soliciting donations for it).
YEs, that is weird. But fairly typical. ANy picture will do…
I’ll vouch for Cindy’s comments about SLC in the 80’s up to a point. I was there for a short time and I would never say the place was booming, but it was busy when it was a Mission. That is until the ‘coup of 82’ and the Finance Police descended and wrecked havoc. There was a mini boom of sorts as locals were forced to go to Orgs for services and the FP emptied the treasury. After that, the place never recovered. According to my sources, they are a mere shadow of what they used to be and they were never much to start with. That’s a good thing. As far as I’m concerned, an empty Org is an Ideal Org. May they all be Ideal…
Hear hear! MisBHaven, contact me privately please. Get my address from Mike.
To be perfectly ideal they need to be closed down. This will prevent any innocent bystanders from inadvertant fleecings or other forms of harrassment.
“Surely they stop and ponder this imponderable every now and then. Even the slowest moron would have to wonder about this.”
This ^^^ I keep wondering the same thing! I mean when cob goes on about the ideal orgs and straight up and vertical expansion – surely those people actually working in or public attending those ideal orgs just have to KNOW he is talking bullshit. How can they not KNOW?
thought stopping
Inverted LRH policy, just like everything else in the new Scientology. They listen and don’t look. Simple as that.
Draco, they do know. But they need to pretend, I think, because once they admit to themselves that they know, then they have to take responsibility for knowing, which means they’d have to do something about it, even if it would be merely withdrawing their own support. Its the KRC triangle – Knowledge, Responsibility, Control. Call it KRC or call it what you like. They have to obey without question (be irresponsible and at effect) because assuming responsibility would entail acquiring knowledge and steering the rudder of their own lives, which, given the unworkability of any program which has as its policy “having to have before you can do” means that they’d have to disagree with COB, and all that would entail for them. Their ability to control themselves keeps diminishing. Their KRC Triangle on Ideal Org Fundraising keeps getting smaller and smaller and at some point there will be no space left in the triangle and the whole thing will implode. That’s unless some attack from the outside doesn’t topple the cult.
Its also my opinion that the Still-Ins’ abdication of KRC with regard Ideal Org fundraising is spilling over into their KRC with Scientology as regards their other dynamics as well, i.e., their cases, their training, their family lives, their work, speech, hobbies, etc., in every way that the Church of Scientology can and does touch their lives, they are ceding control to it by their enforced (and self-enforced) “not know”.
The 2nd dynamic is highly valued in the Mormon community. The rcs’s history of suppression and interference in the 2D would not be well received. Another point, I know one of the architects that bid on the SP building but did not get the contract. Lucky guy. He said it was so peculiar how the people he spoke to, were so single minded and were completely implacable in their statement/demands of what they wanted. This is an internationally respected architecture firm, with impressive products, and the SO members handling the SP building wanted no dialog, no discussion, no creativity or input from these high level architects. My friend said they were solid and had 110% intention, for them to just do what they wanted, what they were told, as if no input would be tolerated. This ideal org madness reminds me of this. The intent to finish all these buildings is so solid and implacable that they just drive ahead without reserve, without rational reflection, in a way that any consideration of any kind will not be tolerated, let alone considered. The severity and rigidity of this is so obviously insane and bigoted. I know they think they’re applying “full intention without reservation or limit”, which they think defines OT, but OT is really such a vast tapestry of abilities, not the least of which are rationality and compassion.
Why is SLC before the Valley ?
For the same reason they opened one of ’em ideal morgs in Quebec City before trying to do so in Montreal. I don’t even know if there are any scientologists living in Quebec City. It’s a mid-sized city small enough that all its professionals know each other. If there are scientologists there, they are being very, very quiet about it.
What’s the reason for opening that morg in Quebec City before Montreal ?
To keep the con going longer, of course.
Hype is the new thinking.
I grew up partially in Salt Lake City, Utah. The Utah org was just down the street from my house. I was raised a Mormon, but am one no longer. As excruciating an experience as leaving Mormonism was, I am thankful that my family never disconnected from me (though there were days when I wished they would have) and that many of my friends are still friends to this day. I really have the greatest respect for those of you who have left Scientology. Mormonism really is a tight knit community. Often, all of your friends are Mormon and a great deal of your time is spent at church events if you are active. That being said, it comes nowhere near the level of activity (or giving away money) that Scientology requires.
As for Mormons and Scientology, I was repeatedly warned by my dad to stay the hell away from the Scientologists. As much as the CoS may deny it, Hubbard’s quote about the best way to become rich is to start a religion is already well known. My dad, who is a big science fiction fan, had already heard about it and that was in the 1980s and early 1990s!
I’m from PDX and I work in the same neighborhood as the pdx org so I go by the org on a regular basis and I would not be surprised in the least if that place is an Apple store or a Starbucks in 2 years time. There is No1 there! It’s a beautiful building but it’s such a pitty that is vastly underused.
Now that’s a pitiful story – Portland Mission. Finance Police came in and raped the place. Shot everybody and took 2 million that they had in reserves.
Does anybody know what happened or is happening with Martin Samuels (the mission holder and original owner of Delphi Oregon)? Is he still living? I would love to hear his side of the story but I can’t find him anywhere online.
What happened there, as I understand it, is that DM took all the money and Samuels, in his 50’s, had to go live with his parents, penniless or nearly so. Samuels sued and got $200,000 back and disappeared. Where is he now? Any of his kids out there? Let’s get his story.
Why no picture of the Las Vegas Org and only tapes put up instead?
I once came across a good story about Mark Twain which I have often repeated to friends with me at events. The story goes that he once went to listen to a visiting evangelist. He was so inspired by the rousing talk he decided to give all he had on him to the cause. As the evangelist continued Twain decided he would sell all he owned and give the entire proceeds to the cause. The evangelist continued talking and then the collection plate was sent round and Mark Twain stole 20c from it. Moral of the story – dont over do your sales pitch. Applies both to long winded events and fund raisers
+1
Glad you are out Mike. If you brought this up to Miscavige in a meeting, he would have smacked the shit out of you.
Dave, So, you have a portfolio of empty buildings, a stash of cash, and a vulture culture of extracting money ; but what is the point?
Power for the sake of having power
the way i figure it, they’re doing such a bang up job of expanding and clearing the planet, i can afford to be a dilettante. i’ll just be one of those people that gets cleared automatically once the theta ratio of the planet reaches sufficient levels.
if i was one of those clearing the planet, i honestly wouldn’t mind at all if there were a bunch of other people just coming along for the ride, like im doing the work and they are going to benefit. what difference does it make once it’s done? we actually and truly have an eternity to do it and a continued eternity to enjoy it after we do it. so it makes no difference who did what and when. time is just an effect.
always had faith, never had faith, lose it, keep it ………whatever get’s you through ……. is alright.
because in the end whatever is the truth is the truth. nothing can change it or effect it, that’s what makes it the truth. so there is no failure and there is no success, there is only inevitability.
if the truth is in fact that we will all become one with the borg. well then, that’s what IS going to happen and nothing is going to change it. no SPs, no entheta, no nothing. otherwise it is not a fact in the first place.
there is no battle. there is only living life best you can.
You can be a dilettante just as long as you’re not namby pamby or panty-wasted about it!
They are doing better in Salt Lake City than in LA and Silicon Valley because (most likely) the Mormons are used to giving 10% to the church. They (for the most part) are sweet people, willing to follow the patriarchal heads of their church. People in LA and Silicon Valley are a bit more discerning – more of them have left and moved on to do other things. I have friends who are creating a massive internet business that coordinates Silicon Valley with LA… they go to church for spiritual support and nourishment. They don’t get fleeced at their churches. Their churches are not the whole focus of their lives… their spiritual source actually supports their endeavors in the outer world. Big difference.
Yes Zana, that’s how it should be: a church that supports their endeavors in the outer world and gives nourishment and succor to the parishoners.
SLC will have a hard time of it because most of the population in SLC is Mormon, and theirs is the only “true religion.” I have even seen Mormons cross the street to the other side when passing the Scientology msn in SLC.
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I visited SLC for the first time earlier this year and was taken aback by how (genuinely) friendly and welcoming the LDSers were. Walking around Temple Square (Flag for Mormons?) I assumed all the buildings would be off limits to outsiders and was surprised at some of the bemused faces as to why I wasn’t going inside for a look around (as opposed to peering through windows outside). No one preached to me at any time. No one pulled me aside to sell me something. When I had a question I went up to someone, asked, and was given a straight answer. It seemed a world away from what I’d been used to.
I’m well aware this church is guilty of various things including, but not limited to, financial irregularities, discrimination, disconnection, rewriting its history, lying, plagiarism, suppressing alternate viewpoints, censoring criticism and psychological abuse. But it does seem to be evolving with the times, albeit incredibly slowly. The people I came into contact with, including those in neighbouring Provo, seemed bloody nice people and genuine at that. Caring, compassionate and kind. Three traits sadly lacking in the Co$.
Since they make hardly any auditors anymore, I guess “the building game” is a substitute that keeps these folks thinking that SOMEDAY …MAYBE …… gotta have a game ……. gotta have a game ……. Today in Istanbul, I visited a magnificent mosque built in the mid 16th century. Truly magnificent. I’ve been to St. Peter’s in the Vatican and Notre Dame in Paris. Even more breathtaking. I love buildings and that most definately includes religious buildings. But see ….. Scientology wasn’t supposed to be about buildings … imitating earlier Earth religions will not bring people into to Scientology … only folks who wanted something DIFFERENT came into the CoS …. do ANOTHER PURIF??? You gotta be out of your fucking mind. Think that last part is non sequitar? Think again.
Joe, “Gotta have a game…gotta have a game” that is exactly why DM keeps the Ideal Org thing going despite proof at every turn that it isn’t working. In the Simon Bolivar policy letter it says that as the Goal Finder, you have to provide a game for the followers and if you don’t provide a game, the game will become getting you. (paraphrased here).
So DM knows this. He knows if he doesn’t keep this shell game going that the game will become getting him. So he lies and obfuscates and PR’s and does his song and dance. And the sheeple eat it up. I almost lost it when I saw that sign at SLC saying, “Merry Christmas, Sir!” Ugh. He isn’t good enough to clean their boots so the “sir” thing rankles.
Cindy, here’s something that rankles even more. I know a guy who’s been on OT VII for twenty years or more. He’s always struggling financially and has health issues. Lost his house to foreclosure, filed BK, and is constantly looking for the next MLM scam that will make him a millionaire. Yet every Christmas he buys DM expensive gifts like reverse osmosis shower filters. I can well imagine that DM jeers at these presents and has Lou pack them away in some warehouse. Geez………
Joe and Cindy,
Bingo! Nails right on the heads, guys. Gotta have a game and DM knows this or the game will be “getting him” (which, of course, it already is, as we well know, but of which the still-in sheeple are largely ignorant).
And I’d like to add that IMO this Ideal Org game, which only requires money and fundraising for money, is something that the Still-Ins can CONFRONT. They can confront it. What they can’t confront is that THIS TOO is not working. On some level they know that the Ideal Org Program can’t and won’t work and is in fact failing, but for the sheeple this is their convenient non-confront of that and so they cling to it. Miscavige is capitalizing on their non-confront, in every sense of the word.
10 Class V’s a week? I’d be shocked to learn this current group could make ten in a YEAR!
But that’s the point. Even at 10 a week for the entire WUS, that would be only 500 a year. This is for 150 MILLION people (maybe more….) — if every one of those auditors audited 25 hours a week and it takes 250 hours to get someone to Clear that would be 2500 CLears a year. It’s not even a drop in the bucket. And if they kept it up for 10 years they would be doing 25,000 a year and still not even keeping up with the population increase….
U.S. population increases a little under 10% per year
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=U.S.+population+increase+per+year
so they would have to clear about 30 million people per year to keep pace with just US growth.
that breaks down to 2.5 million per month. about 600,000 per week, or about 90,000 per day.
just to keep up with the U.S alone.
miscavige would be in non stop ecstasy if they could do even 1 percent of that. 900 per day.
how about point one percent, 90 per day?
at ten a day, that would be about .01
if they are doing 10 a week, then divide .01% by 7 and that number is their “clear to growth” ratio just for the US population.
lucky we have an infinity of future, eh:)
I have a bit of personal experience with SLC. I got my start in Scn at the SLC Mission in the 80’s. At that time the course room was booming. There were coaudits going on and auditors being made and auditing happening. And this was a mission, not even an org.
Then I left for decades. I came back a few years ago to care for my elderly mother in her last year. I hooked up with the Msn holder and some OT’s there. I was in the Msn and Org (now there is an org) several times. The org had almost no one on course and had Class VI HGC auditors who had no pcs to audit. In the Msn it was even worse.
The Msn had two floors of a 3 story building. They kept contracting, first down to only one floor, then into the basement only, and then only open a few days a week in the basement. They had to get tenants in on the other two floors to pay the building mtg. The building was owned by the mission holder’s husband. And if you google Mike and Cindy Wright SLC, you’ll see they are being sued and the church is brought into it. Tony O did a story on that some time ago.
My point is how in the world will they pay rent on a huge building like that when they don’t even have enough public to keep the small place they’re in paid up?
Mike, you’re right about those numbers. Still, had Scientology continued the way it was in 1975, we would have seen I think eventually a geometric increase/expansion. LRH made two VERY crucial and fateful errors. One – he decided to market an FSO as a superior org (other SO orgs too). By requiring all internships, TRs and metering to be re-certified before continuing training, the tech status and reputation of Class 4 orgs was severely lowered aside “flag trained.” And Two – Ron decided to raise training prices over 10x (probably more and this includes all materials). Heck, my meter only cost $104 in 1971 – staff price. Those two decisions by LRH made much more money uplines but slowly but surely started killing the org training boom. When Miscavige “executed” Samuels and Wimbush in 1982, he killed the great independant mission scene which made tons of Dianetic auditors and sent them to the orgs.
Had the above actions NOT been done and had Ron and Dave ACTUALLY applied Affluence, they would have kept IN the successful actions of relatively low prices for training and validating auditors trained at local ORGS. But they both wanted more money uplines.
Without the above three actions, Scientology might have gone from 500 auditors a year to 700 to 1200 to 2500, etc etc Because people tell people and blown out Pcs want to be auditors and if each auditor has Pcs becoming auditors and so on … well you see the effect. And if the game would be ALL staff and public becoming interned auditors instead of buildings being built .. yeah I think there MIGHT be twenty million people in Scientology by now ….and then thirty million and then … and maybe in a couple of hundred years, a billion like the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists & Hindus have.
Well….. as we say in sports … woulda shoulda coulda …. I’m not in a big regret about it all because I no longer think big organized religion is a positive thing. In fact I think it us VERY destructive to spiritual freedom. So it ‘s probably good in the long run that Ron and Dave screwdriver it up. But it COULD have worked. As for myself I ‘m happiest traveling and learning on my own. I don’t need or want someone telling me HOW I have to live in order to be eternally saved. But a lot of folks DO like that.
Yes should be “screwed it up” not screwdriver!!!!! Dang that “correcting” function on this tablet!
I agree Joe,
The other mistake the Ol’man made was turning the Organization over to CMOI and placing it fully under the control of the Sea Org per “Exec Strata” without the check and balance of WW, GO and Ad Council which gave us the atrocity known as the “Mission Massacre”.
Also the price increases did a lot of damage as well which as far as I’m concerned was a radioactive RED which was only supposed to have a half life of 6 months but continued into the early ’80’s.
As far as I’m concerned new management at least did one thing right by canceling that toxic ED and bringing prices back to a more acceptable level.
That and promoting Scholarships and Service Completion Awards.
In my opinion that and not abolishing the GO was what kicked their stats into affluence despite the fact that they had virtually destroyed the *Independent* Franchise (let’s call a spade a spade “Mission” was in fact a euphemistic term originally used by the USGO for what was in reality a Franchise) Network and turned them into actual “Missions” by definition (which is basically an entity that is fully under the direct control of the “Mother Church”) “for real”.
Not only that they compounded their various felonies by getting rid of their only source of new public which was Jeff Hawkin’s (who had managed to turn Dianetics into a best seller again) CMU and Goldstein’s Dianetic Seminars (which made Dianetic Auditors who could audit Bk I Dianetics in 2 days) and then introducing the Squirrelly Golden Age of Tech.
Ironically after that the Organization began committing the same crime they accused the Franchises of doing which was to cannibalize their public.
Which is something you’d expect of a bunch of criminals.
“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain, says it all!
Thanks, Pericles. I needed that. Gonna steal it from you and Mr. Twain.
I think this Alliance thing has suddenly surfaced
because someone has realized the groups of people
they are fleecing for money is rapidly dwindling.
Now these folks won’t have such a large PTP
trying to get donations for their own Ideal Org.
Brilliant move by management. They have spotted
the confusion and now given the sheeple one thing
to concentrate on. No more competition because they
are all together fighting the battle as one….they are all
one….where have I heard that before?
Oh. Oh. Oh. but Potpie….can you IMAGINE the infighting that must go on in orgs over the scant few whales they might own being regged for the org down the road???? Yipes! I remember all out WARS started between missions and orgs or orgs and orgs for FAR less…must be tense at the class V registrar level.
Here is another comparison showing how miniscule the Church of Scientology really is and how lame its claims at expansion. Let’s take the Episcopal Church. This Church reportedly has about 2 million members in the US total, and a declining membership – US membership is declining by about 30,000 per year. This is not a large expanding church. If the Church of Scientology has 8 to 10 million members worldwide and is strongest in the US, then it is reasonable to assume the Church of Scientology would have at least 2 million members in the US, so should have comparable demographics in number of Churches and Missions to the Episcopalians. However, within 25 miles of where I live, I can locate 23 Episcopal churches, but NO Scientology Churches or Missions – and I am not located in some remote out of the way place, either, but in fact am located in a major population area.
I have made this point before. In the small city I live in, roughly 350,000 the Methodist Church would be the smallest of the ‘traditional’ churches yet it has roughly 20 churches, the smallest of which would have around 200 every week, the largest about 600. The one near me would be in the middle of these and seems to be open or have something on every day of the week and it’s car park is nearly always at least half full!!
Yet no scientology presence anywhere, ever.
There number claims just don’t stack up even remotely!
Yes what you say is so true. I remember when I was a staff member at AOLA and we won the birthday game. I was thinking to myself that we didn’t seem any bigger than we were the year before and it all seemed like some big PR scam.
As if it couldn’t get any higher, my admiration of Mark Twain has risen with that quote. Thank you. (I am reading his autobiography presently).
The quote is a masterpiece of insight into human nature, and obviously relevant to the discussions here..
Yes, Mark Twain is wonderful. He has so many great quotes and interesting books. I don’t think he would even believe the staggering amount of self-delusion exhibited by these people!
That is a great quote, and so so true.